The Statistics Thread

[dogwatch]

Free Kicks in Finals 1965 to 2021

You can ignore the Bears (only four finals so not a good enough sample). Port do best with free kicks in finals, followed by the Western Bulldogs.

 

[dogwatch]

All Free Kicks 1965 to Rd5 2022

So who has the best differential of Frees For to Frees Against in the last 57 years? Why, the Western Bulldogs of course!

Is this because of a VFL/AFL conspiracy or because the umpires just like to pay us free kicks all the time? Of course not. That's preposterous over six decades.

Are some teams fairer than others? Are some teams consistently "dirtier"? <cough, cough> Hawthorn, GWS <cough, cough>
Maybe, but over 60 years that's an extraordinarily long time for a trend to prevail. Or is it the "culture" that clubs like to boast about so much? You know, like Bloods culture .

The West Coast, Western/Whitten Oval and Victoria Park home crowds have probably been an intimidating factor. However for all the Melbourne clubs this would have been neutralised over the last 25 years since the "home" games have converged on just two venues - the MCG and Docklands.

 

[Fossie 32]

Goals kicked against defenders would be an interesting stat

 

[Oliver G]

Goals kicked against defenders would be an interesting stat

Your wish...



Player match-ups are recorded at the start of each stoppage.

 

[Fossie 32]

Your wish...

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Player match-ups are recorded at the start of each stoppage.

Thanks! Would be great to see this every week So we need to get Crozier back and Gardy needs to keep #MP to under 7 to avoid going to top of the ladder

 

[ScragCity]

Your wish...

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Player match-ups are recorded at the start of each stoppage.

Interesting. In theory our best backline would be:

R. West | S. Martin | L. Butler
R. Garcia | J. Schache | R. McComb

With that backline we could expect to concede 0 goals per game.
I wonder if our data analysts are across this particular stat?

Also worth mentioning that, despite one particular poster questioning the defensive side of his game, JUH has never had a goal kicked on him.

 

[Next Waiting]

Oliver Gigacz

English v Gawn in the ruck at CBs 2020, 2021 & 2022 Attendances, taps won, taps to adv, scores/goals from CB for and against

English v Darcy (Freo) in the ruck at CBs 2020 (?), 2021 Attendances, taps won, taps to adv, scores/goals from CB for and against

Thanks in advance

 

[Oliver G]

Oliver Gigacz

English v Gawn in the ruck at CBs 2020, 2021 & 2022 Attendances, taps won, taps to adv, scores/goals from CB for and against

English v Darcy (Freo) in the ruck at CBs 2020 (?), 2021 Attendances, taps won, taps to adv, scores/goals from CB for and against

Thanks in advance

I've had a look I don't believe I have access to match player v player numbers but here are the matchups from those matches (Gawn didn't play in 2020)...

English v Gawn


English v Darcy

HO = hitouts, HOTA = hitouts to advantage, HOS = hitouts sharked

Scores From Centre Bounces

Melbourne
R1 2022 vs. Melbourne
WB: 3.1 (19)
ME: 1.1 (7)

GF 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.2 (8)
ME: 7.3 (45)

R19 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.1 (7)
ME: 2.0 (12)

R11 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.0 (6)
ME: 2.4 (16)

Fremantle
R12 2021 vs. Fremantle
WB: 2.3 (15)
FR: 2.3 (15)

R18 2020 vs. Fremantle
WB: 3.1 (19)
FR: 0.1 (1)

Let me know if you need anything else.

 

[Next Waiting]

I've had a look I don't believe I have access to match player v player numbers but here are the matchups from those matches (Gawn didn't play in 2020)...

English v Gawn
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English v Darcy
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HO = hitouts, HOTA = hitouts to advantage, HOS = hitouts sharked

Scores From Centre Bounces

Melbourne
R1 2022 vs. Melbourne
WB: 3.1 (19)
ME: 1.1 (7)

GF 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.2 (8)
ME: 7.3 (45)

R19 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.1 (7)
ME: 2.0 (12)

R11 2021 vs. Melbourne
WB: 1.0 (6)
ME: 2.4 (16)

Fremantle
R12 2021 vs. Fremantle
WB: 2.3 (15)
FR: 2.3 (15)

R18 2020 vs. Fremantle
WB: 3.1 (19)
FR: 0.1 (1)

Let me know if you need anything else.

Thanks for the stats

One thing I'd note is that the HOTAs are a % of Hit Outs won. Over the 2021 season where we've played Melbourne, English at 22% (8/35) trails Gawn at 31% (36/113). However, if you look at HOTA as a % of RC, English at 4.2% (6/143) and Gawn at 20.8%(37/178) is instructive. The volume of HOTAs in Melbourne's favour is significant. 5:1

Melbourne also generated at least 18 shots on goal from CBs to our 6. 3:1

Rnd 1 this year English 9.5% (6/63) with Gawn 15.1% (8/53) appears to have made inroads and shots on goal 4:2 from CBs in our favour. Whether it's an outlier remains to be seen.

I didn't watch Rnd 1 so can't offer an explanation as to where the gap was closed in terms of effectiveness. Timmy and the onballers improved or set up differently or did Gawn and co have an off day?

 

[worbod]

After witnessing our streak of 13 unanswered goals against Hawthorn on Friday I became interested in how many other streaks of 10 or more unanswered goals I could find. Most of what I discovered came from the AFL Tables website and I was able to use YouTube to find a few older matches. Obviously, this table is nowhere near complete. For example, the match against Richmond in round 5, 1983 where we scored 10 goals to none in the opening quarter would feature in such a list but without knowing who kicked the first goal of the second quarter it is impossible to say whether our unanswered goal streak in that game was 10 or 11 or possibly 12. I hope I haven't left out anything obvious.

Unanswered goals​	Opponent​	Game​	Scores before the unanswered streak​	Scores prior to opponent scoring their next goal​
21​	Essendon	round 21, 2019	0.2 (2) vs 1.0 (6)	21.11 (137) vs 1.8 (14)
14​	Hawthorn	round 14, 2009	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	14.10 (94) vs 0.4 (4)
13​	Hawthorn	round 15, 2022	1.4 (10) vs 5.4 (34)	14.10 (94) vs 5.11 (41)
12​	Fitzroy	round 12, 1992	8.5 (53) vs 6.3 (39)	20.13 (133) vs 6.11 (47)
12​	Melbourne	round 20, 2015	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	12.4 (76) vs 0.2 (2)
12​	Greater Western Sydney	round 22, 2019	7.3 (45) vs 9.6 (60)	19.12 (126) vs 9.11 (65) FINAL SCORE
12​	North Melbourne	round 3, 2021	5.2 (32) vs 3.2 (20)	17.13 (115) vs 3.8 (26)
11​	Gold Coast	round 5, 2021	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	11.4 (70) vs 0.3 (3)
10​	Fitzroy	round 5, 1953	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	10.6 (66) vs 0.0 (0)
10​	St. Kilda	round 13, 1978	23.12 (150) vs 16.10 (106)	33.15 (213) vs 16.10 (106) FINAL SCORE
10​	Essendon	round 5, 1985	5.8 (38) vs 6.7 (43)	15.16 (106) vs 6.12 (48)
10​	Adelaide	round 5, 1994	2.2 (14) vs 4.5 (29)	12.4 (76) vs 4.6 (30)
10​	Port Adelaide	round 7, 2006	2.0 (12) vs 1.0 (6)	12.7 (79) vs 1.4 (10)
10​	Collingwood	1st elimination final, 2006	6.6 (42) vs 6.8 (44)	16.10 (106) vs 6.14 (50)
10​	North Melbourne	round 9, 2010	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	10.1 (61) vs 0.8 (8)
10​	Port Adelaide	round 22, 2011	0.0 (0) vs 0.0 (0)	10.3 (63) vs 0.0 (0)
10​	St. Kilda	round 20, 2018	4.6 (30) vs 7.4 (46)	14.12 (96) vs 7.9 (51)