Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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Darcy and Lobb will never thrive in the same forward line. Our zone setup across the park is just about the worst in the comp and we want to take Naughton out of there and allow the ball to trampoline out more than it already does.
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How many will turn up wearing Port jumpers?!
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Times have changed when Chris was considering Ports offer it was always 50/50 and was not decided until Grand Final week They say the 20 cents and letter from a young helped him with his decision. I know the decision was everything to the dogs at the time being our marquee player and effectively finishing bottom in 96 with Fitzroy's demise. If he left some were saying it could be the end of the dogs. How quickly things changed in 1997 we were a Libba's goal umpire decision off a GF.
Josh's decision is nowhere as big as this but the point is if he has not signed by now recent history says there is little chance of him staying. Negotiations start a lot earlier in the season these days I would be surprised if Josh is still undecided just waiting for the dust to settle on the season.
Josh's decision is nowhere as big as this but the point is if he has not signed by now recent history says there is little chance of him staying. Negotiations start a lot earlier in the season these days I would be surprised if Josh is still undecided just waiting for the dust to settle on the season.
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So Far we have
Gone:
Martin
Cordy
West
Schache
Likely Butler
West
Likely Parker (R)
Trade Options:
JJ
Dunks (though i still back what i was told)
Crozier
Re-Sign:
1 year Wallis
Trades:
Lobb
Jones
Gone:
Martin
Cordy
West
Schache
Likely Butler
West
Likely Parker (R)
Trade Options:
JJ
Dunks (though i still back what i was told)
Crozier
Re-Sign:
1 year Wallis
Trades:
Lobb
Jones
The Daniel signing was ridiculous at the time and looking worse now, He needs a role change over the off-season as teams have worked out if you just man him up when he plays the free QB role he is not very effective and becomes a defensive liability. Dale also getting 5 years off 1 AA selection but an average finals campaign was also ridiculous
Journalist reads it on other publication = 'sources say...'
None of those in the gone list are confirmed - the Ralph tweet was referring to players out of contract, not out of the club.
If he’s leaving and the money is similar, with talks of him loving the club and the boys then Dunks is leaving purely based on positioning and on field reasons. And if it’s positioning, we have fu**ed up yet again.
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The article says this and only this about West.
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Port Adelaide would be prepared to offer a single first-round pick for out-of-contract Bulldogs star Josh Dunkley as the Power steps up their chase for the in-demand midfielder.
The Western Bulldogs crashed out of finals with another dramatic fadeout from 41 points up against Fremantle a year after their diabolical grand final collapse.
Coach Luke Beveridge said the club had failed to find consistency all year as it prepares for significant list changes in coming months.
Beveridge is out of contract at the end of next year and while he will be under some pressure, he has made finals in six of his eight seasons and is only the second Dogs coach after Terry Wallace to play in four consecutive finals series.
Fremantle ruckman Rory Lobb will join the Bulldogs and potentially allow Sam Darcy to play as a swingman while ex-Dogs and Carlton full-back Liam Jones will return to the club on a three-year deal.
The Dogs defenders kept Lobb, Jye Amiss and Griffin Logue to five combined goals but have not had a regular intercept presence for some years in a game based on turnovers.
Free agent Jason Johannisen is likely to secure a bigger deal elsewhere, with the Herald Sun reporting last week that Gold Coast is one suitor.
Premiership swingman Zaine Cordy played 14 games including the last five of the Dogs’ season in defence, but is an unrestricted free agent who could prove attractive to clubs looking for full-backs.
Rivals believe Josh Dunkley could seek a fresh start a new club. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images Rivals believe Josh Dunkley could seek a fresh start a new club. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images
Dunkley had put off talks over a contract until the end of the season and now has at least three options in a year in which he is out of contract but not a free agent after only seven years’ service.
Given his contract talks have drifted after starting as far back as last year’s grand final, rival clubs believe there is a good chance he will move on for a fresh start.
Port Adelaide will attempt to escalate its chase for Dunkley this week. So far the Power has offered him a long-term deal of around $650,000, similar to the Dogs’ contract offer.
The Power believes it is ahead of Brisbane, where Dunkley’s sister lives, because his girlfriend Tippah Dwan plays for the Adelaide Thunderbirds and is contracted for the 2023 season.
Dockers big man Rory Lobb is set to request a trade to the Dogs. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images Dockers big man Rory Lobb is set to request a trade to the Dogs. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
Two years ago the Dogs asked Essendon for two first-round picks when Dunkley’s manager Liam Pickering made clear he wanted to move clubs.
Essendon baulked but now that he is out of contract the Power believes a single first-round pick is a fair price.
Their first-round pick comes in at No.8 but will push back one spot to nine when Brisbane matches an early bid for father-son Will Ashcroft.
Rhylee West, who has not yet come to terms on a new deal, was dropped for round 23 and did not win back his spot for the finals, Josh Schache and Stef Martin are uncontracted, while Mitch Wallis says Dogs coach Luke Beveridge is open to him playing on next year under a one-year contract.
The Western Bulldogs crashed out of finals with another dramatic fadeout from 41 points up against Fremantle a year after their diabolical grand final collapse.
Coach Luke Beveridge said the club had failed to find consistency all year as it prepares for significant list changes in coming months.
Beveridge is out of contract at the end of next year and while he will be under some pressure, he has made finals in six of his eight seasons and is only the second Dogs coach after Terry Wallace to play in four consecutive finals series.
Fremantle ruckman Rory Lobb will join the Bulldogs and potentially allow Sam Darcy to play as a swingman while ex-Dogs and Carlton full-back Liam Jones will return to the club on a three-year deal.
The Dogs defenders kept Lobb, Jye Amiss and Griffin Logue to five combined goals but have not had a regular intercept presence for some years in a game based on turnovers.
Free agent Jason Johannisen is likely to secure a bigger deal elsewhere, with the Herald Sun reporting last week that Gold Coast is one suitor.
Premiership swingman Zaine Cordy played 14 games including the last five of the Dogs’ season in defence, but is an unrestricted free agent who could prove attractive to clubs looking for full-backs.
Rivals believe Josh Dunkley could seek a fresh start a new club. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images Rivals believe Josh Dunkley could seek a fresh start a new club. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images
Dunkley had put off talks over a contract until the end of the season and now has at least three options in a year in which he is out of contract but not a free agent after only seven years’ service.
Given his contract talks have drifted after starting as far back as last year’s grand final, rival clubs believe there is a good chance he will move on for a fresh start.
Port Adelaide will attempt to escalate its chase for Dunkley this week. So far the Power has offered him a long-term deal of around $650,000, similar to the Dogs’ contract offer.
The Power believes it is ahead of Brisbane, where Dunkley’s sister lives, because his girlfriend Tippah Dwan plays for the Adelaide Thunderbirds and is contracted for the 2023 season.
Dockers big man Rory Lobb is set to request a trade to the Dogs. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images Dockers big man Rory Lobb is set to request a trade to the Dogs. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
Two years ago the Dogs asked Essendon for two first-round picks when Dunkley’s manager Liam Pickering made clear he wanted to move clubs.
Essendon baulked but now that he is out of contract the Power believes a single first-round pick is a fair price.
Their first-round pick comes in at No.8 but will push back one spot to nine when Brisbane matches an early bid for father-son Will Ashcroft.
Rhylee West, who has not yet come to terms on a new deal, was dropped for round 23 and did not win back his spot for the finals, Josh Schache and Stef Martin are uncontracted, while Mitch Wallis says Dogs coach Luke Beveridge is open to him playing on next year under a one-year contract.
I stand by my current thoughts that losing West (due to selection) and losing Dunks (due to on field positioning) will be a complete fail by the club and coach.
yep 100%. Our 2nd most important mid and wasn't used that way. would think he finished top 2 in our B&F as well.
If we lose West I’ll be rummaging through my garden shed for my pitchfork!!!
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100%, would be purely on him.
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Sorry, don't have access to the Age, so only start of article - but I thought the 'desperate' was interesting....if he was staying he would have signed already, don't you think?
Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge says the club is desperate to re-sign midfielder Josh Dunkley as he weighs up his options after his season ended on Saturday with the loss to Fremantle.
The 25-year-old midfielder has had a long-term offer on the table from the club for close to two months, however he has attracted significant interest from both Port Adelaide and the Brisbane Lions.
Decision day looms for Bulldogs’ son of a gun
By Peter Ryan
September 4, 2022 — 6.59pmWestern Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge says the club is desperate to re-sign midfielder Josh Dunkley as he weighs up his options after his season ended on Saturday with the loss to Fremantle.
The 25-year-old midfielder has had a long-term offer on the table from the club for close to two months, however he has attracted significant interest from both Port Adelaide and the Brisbane Lions.
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This offseason is starting to have a real bad stink about it already
Why? Literally nothing has happened yet
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May be yes BUT it may also be a real opportunity to sort much out that has been hanging like a cloud over the players and coaching staff for sometime.
Cannot afford to be asleep at the wheel and start to sort out what needs to be.
Ameet and Board need to have started and hopefully they have two weeks ago.
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Jeepers, log off for a few days haha.
I love the complaints about English playing where he wants yet when its Dunks or West its PLAY THEM WHERE THEY WANT!
Hopefully whoever we draft with the Dunkley pick can be as good as Dunkley by the time Bont is 30. Might be able to have one more crack at a flag from 8th before he retires.
I get what you mean, but we went away from our best structure (Tim playing 50/50 ruck fwd) to play Tim purely ruck as that’s “what he wanted”.
Dunks is a mid. A really good one too. We’ve played him less minutes there, plus ruck, plus key marking forward. It’s a combination of Bevo and also list management. It’s not purely on coach.
West gets dropped and then we play players ahead of him that are clearly out of form or not up to it. Again, that’s on coach for mine.
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I agree with your statements but the problem exists with Bevo's strategy. He has openly said he backs our midfield and allows the run and gun style, sadly he has no plan B if our midfield is not winning the ball. I hope the review reveals this and our midfield strategy changes.
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