List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

[Ge3ks]

So Melbourne want two top 10 draft picks?

 

[Ge3ks]

Look at that.

105 Votes Yay
105 Votes Nay

Team Yay started strong, but the third quarter specialists, Team Nay are back in it and have all the momentum heading into the 4th.

 

[Joao]

So Melbourne want two top 10 draft picks?

I've got some bad news for them.

 

[G Mus]

Jackson came to the game late, as he had outstanding international junior basketball career.

I really doubt he has peaked due to crossing to AFL late.

That’s a crutch that has cost a lot of players development not aided it, they aren’t natural footballers and it takes too long to get the intricacies that others naturally have

 

[Kapow!!!]

This year?
Gawn
Witts
Tom Hickey
Tim English
Nankervis

Were all comfortably ahead of Darcy on performance.
Then there’s guys like Rowan Marshall, and Reilly o brien who had very good spells at different stages of the season.
I thought that Dixon and finlayson pinch hit very effectively in the ruck for port too at times.
Dixon tore Darcy to shreds in the final quarter of our game v port for example.
Didn’t see enough of Goldstein this season.

I’m a big fan of Sean but you have to say that he was down a lot since last year.

Gawn and Witts yeah but jeez the others are a stretch. English should be NOWHERE near this list.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

I’m not sold on his fit either but was the same with Clark so would be very happy to get Jackson.

I think something like our first this year (perhaps upgraded with other moves) and next is fair enough and maybe even a win for us.

For those upset at him not nominating a club yet it’s just the same as Cerra last year. Most in here, including me, thought that was the best way to go out. Jackson is doing the polite gesture on the way out. He seems a good bloke. The nomination will come a little later and doesn’t hurt us at all.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This year?
Gawn
Witts
Tom Hickey
Tim English
Nankervis

Were all comfortably ahead of Darcy on performance.
Then there’s guys like Rowan Marshall, and Reilly o brien who had very good spells at different stages of the season.
I thought that Dixon and finlayson pinch hit very effectively in the ruck for port too at times.
Dixon tore Darcy to shreds in the final quarter of our game v port for example.
Didn’t see enough of Goldstein this season.

I’m a big fan of Sean but you have to say that he was down a lot since last year.

I think Darcy is a bit of a victim of getting rated against his best year, he was still a good ruckman and still had some terrific games (30+ coaches votes). Yes, wasn’t the same as last year where he was clunking everything but there’s only two names on that list who had better years as actual rucks IMO.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gawn and Witts yeah but jeez the others are a stretch. English should be NOWHERE near this list.

Even Dogs fans are over English pretending to be a ruck

 

[Bigger]

The basketball background is an interesting one. I am no expert but I reckon that while it helps to make the gangly fellas a bit more spatially aware in close, it can also mean they can tend to go under the ball in flight rather than leap to meet it. A timing thing.

Anyway, he is not yet at the age most talls become part of the regular 22 so I reckon he has time to turn into a marking force as well as a beast on the ground.

All this talk of two top ten picks is horsecock. Our first - which is, what, 13 or something - and next year's first (which will be 18), with something coming back the other way, will be plenty.

The cash could be problematic but I didn't see anyone completely shitting the bed because we overpaid Rory Lobb

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Rory Lobb

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31

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207cm

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106kg

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Fwd

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11.0

3star

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6.7

3star

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4.4

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4.0

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2.4

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0.9

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D

11.3

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8.0

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3.3

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4.6

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1.4

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1.0

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7.0

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4.0

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3.0

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2.6

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T

2.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

for 2 years.

The cap will be increased shortly - hopefully in time to stave off the hordes coming for Caleb Soapy Serong.

We will pay a lot but only time will tell if it's too much.

 

[Joao]

I’m not sold on his fit either but was the same with Clark so would be very happy to get Jackson.

I think something like our first this year (perhaps upgraded with other moves) and next is fair enough and maybe even a win for us.

For those upset at him not nominating a club yet it’s just the same as Cerra last year. Most in here, including me, thought that was the best way to go out. Jackson is doing the polite gesture on the way out. He seems a good bloke. The nomination will come a little later and doesn’t hurt us at all.

a 2nd plus 2 3rds is a much smaller price than what we are going to pay for Jackson. It's not apples and apples.

 

[Taylor]

Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

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Ruck

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Last 5

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10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

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4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

is one of the highest impact players in the league let alone our own team. Our wins and losses correlate to his good a less good games. When he gets on top of the contest we dominate out of the middle. He has had issues with slow starts - so has the team.

 

[Dale147]

The Unicorn

 

[theGav56]

Jackson came to the game late, as he had outstanding international junior basketball career.

I really doubt he has peaked due to crossing to AFL late.

This keeps being said, and I agree, but his contract is valued at way more than 'potential'. A pick 13 trade and $500k x 3 years is a trade for potential.

 

[Taylor]

Forward thinking: Dockers eye unique midfield role for Jackson

Luke Jackson appears unlikely to spend too much time in the forward line if his potential move west to Fremantle comes off

www.afl.com.au

It really does need to come out of the mouth of a man for it to be taken seriously.

 

[mike91]

Forward thinking: Dockers eye unique midfield role for Jackson

Luke Jackson appears unlikely to spend too much time in the forward line if his potential move west to Fremantle comes off

www.afl.com.au

It really does need to come out of the mouth of a man for it to be taken seriously.

Please don't play the gender card

 

[Van_Dyke]

Slobbo making more sense.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

I HATE the idea of turning him into a mid more than I hate the idea of getting him in general.

It's more square peg round hole stuff - trying to invent a position for him rather than have him fit into a position.

Apart from height he has no other elite mid attributes. Disposal decent not elite. Speed for a big man but only average as far as mids go. Like English, if he wasn't 200cm he might have had a crack as a fringe mid, the height is the reason he is in the AFL.

I can accept he has the potential to be a good ruck/fwd even though I think that a) is an overrated position and b) he hasn't shown it.

Paying this much draft capital for a non-elite mid? Even more nay from me.

 

[G Mus]

Even Dogs fans are over English pretending to be a ruck

Before pneumonia he was the best ruck in the comp this season, and that includes at ruck contests

 

[King Huskii]

I HATE the idea of turning him into a mid more than I hate the idea of getting him in general.

It's more square peg round hole stuff - trying to invent a position for him rather than have him fit into a position.

Apart from height he has no other elite mid attributes. Disposal decent not elite. Speed for a big man but only average as far as mids go. Like English, if he wasn't 200cm he might have had a crack as a fringe mid, the height is the reason he is in the AFL.

I can accept he has the potential to be a good ruck/fwd even though I think that a) is an overrated position and b) he hasn't shown it.

Paying this much draft capital for a non-elite mid? Even more nay from me.

I hope freo walk away.

Pav says freo shouldn't be seduced by talent and publicly says they shouldn't pay Acres more than the current offer yet they are prepared to overpay an undersized ruckman.

Talking about being seduced by talent.

Freo are at the beginning of their window. Acres has a good three years left in him and we don't havr wingers falling out of the sky who are quality.

Ill be pissed if Freo ruin their next two drafts and show players the door based on 1 guy

 

[Paracleet]

He ain't going to be starting many centre bounces as a non ruck, if he believes that he'll believe anything. He'll be on the thin side wing if on the ground and not rucking or forward surely?

 

[Joao]

I suspect he could play as a midfielder given his ball winning and tackling. What I'd question is whether he is a better midfield prospect than many on our list.

900k midfielder is Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

. Are we getting a mid that good? Obviously we have NFI and that's the problem. Literally paying him for potential for a position he's never played at AFL level. Its like the Zac Williams the midfielder thing at Carlton.

 

[G Mus]

I suspect he could play as a midfielder given his ball winning and tackling. What I'd question is whether he is a better midfield prospect than many on our list.

900k midfielder is Clayton Oliver. Are we getting a mid that good? Obviously we have NFI and that's the problem. Literally paying him for potential for a position he's never played at AFL level. Its like the Zac Williams the midfielder thing at Carlton.

Cripps is too immobile for a modern footy mid most of the time, and would run rings around Jackson at stoppages

 

[Boomer93]

People thinking JLo and Bell are just wildly throwing draft capitol and cap space at a talented kid with no plan on how to use him are falling for some classic click bait.

Trust the two guys who have so far worked wonders.

 

[Joao]

Cripps is too immobile for a modern footy mid most of the time, and would run rings around Jackson at stoppages

I don't know if this is true. I suspect that Jackson is a far better Athlete than Cripps. That said, I wouldn't be blown away if I was wrong.

 

[G Mus]

I don't know if this is true. I suspect that Jackson is a far better Athlete than Cripps. That said, I wouldn't be blown away if I was wrong.

Maybe in straight lines, but there’s a lot of small step work that mids do that you wouldn’t want to depend on Jackson for