List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

Do you want to pay the high price tag for Luke Jackson?

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Give our first, Meek and some pick swaps.

Maximum this years first and next year’s second.

Anyway, nice write up here from the Melb board:

FTP said:
With a season under his belt, I think it is time for the actual circlejerk to begin.

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Luke Jackson (#6) is the 2021 Rising Star favourite as a ruck. Let that sink in for a second. No other Rising Star winner has played the ruck position (I’m not counting Koschitzke). It’s incredibly uncommon given the very nature of the position. It takes a long time for rucks to develop and physically mature to compete against their AFL contemporaries. We discussed English a few weeks ago and the strides he’s made but that occurred over multiple years. In just his second season, Jackson is exhibiting some terrifying signs for opposition teams. It isn’t just that he’s starting to show dominant patches but it’s how he’s doing it.

Jackson’s biggest strength is undoubtedly his ability at ground level. Jackson plays like an extra midfielder around the ground and at stoppages. It’s much of the same as Grundy – they aren’t a non-factor once the ball hits the ground. In fact, they are dangerous ground level players. But even Grundy didn’t show these kinds of signs this early on. Jackson averages 4.1 ground ball gets a game and whilst he only averages 13.4 disposals, that number will continue to rise to Grundy’s level around the 20’s. He’s shown flashes already with three games this year over 20+ disposals. Jackson has clean, quick hands and always follows up after a ruck contest. When he extracts the ball, he raises his arms above his head out of the reach of would be tacklers and is great at dishing the ball over his head to teammates.

Sometimes Jackson does things at ground level with such control and creativity. It doesn’t make sense for a midfielder let alone a ruckman to be doing it. The execution of this hit up kick will come with more experience.



Watching Jackson, it’s evident that he used to play basketball. He has great control on the move to tap the ball up to himself when he can’t grab it.



Where most of the improvement will arise for Jackson is in his ruck craft and tap work . He isn’t a tall enough ruck (199cm) to be a dominant tap ruckman but given his soft touch he should be able to finesse the ball to his midfielders as he continues to put on size. Jackson has put on 10kg over the summer and it shows during games. Whilst he is unable to push ruckman off the line and he does lose hitouts to taller ruckman, he’s agile. He’s started to realise that he can tap the ball to himself and exit the front of stoppages. This is so dangerous when a ruckman has this advantage to exit through the front. The percentages on this ending in a goal would be very high.



Around the ground, Jackson is becoming a genuine threat in the air. He is averaging 3.2 marks a game including 1 contested mark. Those numbers are identical to Grundy already. This is the area where Jackson has big upside given he wasn’t drafted as a natural forward. Yet, every once in a while he’ll take a mark like this – which makes you question where his ceiling ends.



This is quite frightening for a ruckman who already possesses such elite qualities at ground level. He’s beginning to hit the scoreboard too. Jackson’s averaging 0.8 goals a game – 1[SUB]st[/SUB] in the AFL amongst ruckman. He does spend more time as a forward given Max Gawn plays for Melbourne. But this argument could be spun the other way. Tall forwards can take years to develop before they start to consistently hit the scoreboard. At 19, Jackson’s already doing this while playing a significant portion of his game in the ruck.

Jackson is a real unicorn in the AFL. For those that are a bit confused by the term ‘unicorn’, it originated in the NBA describing Kristaps Porzinigis. A unicorn is a player who is considered both versatile and dynamic. In Porzingis’s instance, a tall player at 7’3 but has (or used to have) the skills of a guard. We hadn’t really seen someone of his height shoot the 3 ball like that. Jackson is the same as a ruck.

He is versatile enough to play literally every position of the ground. Don’t be surprised when Melbourne play him as an actual midfielder at some point in his career. It’s definitely going to happen. Jackson has the upside to be the best ruckman in the AFL because of how balanced he is in multiple facets of the game whilst simultaneously possessing significant upside. At 19, his impact at AFL level as a ruck is unprecedented. Yet, his accomplishments may border on unprecedented as well. Jackson has a chance to be one of the most accomplished 2nd year players in league history if he wins the Rising Star and Melbourne win the premiership. He and Joel Selwood would be the only two players to both win a rising star and a premiership medal in the same year.

It was gusty for Melbourne to take a ruckman with pick 3 when they had one of the best in the league. Melbourne saw it differently, they weren’t taking just a ruckman, they were taking a player who was skilled enough to play any position on the ground. They had the opportunity to mold Jackson into who they wanted him to be. Jackson is a true unicorn of the AFL – a player that we haven’t quite seen before. I can’t wait to see what he eventually becomes.
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I think the frustrating thing is that those aboard the Luke Jackson bandwagon jumped on at the end of last season after his quarter the grandfinal. When presented with new information they will not budge from their halo toting wunderkind.
 
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Tony_Clifton said:
I think the frustrating thing is that those aboard the Luke Jackson bandwagon jumped on at the end of la inst season after his quarter the grandfinal. When presented with new information they will not budge from their halo toting wunderkind.
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Lach72 said:
Lol.
Whately arguing Jackson is now worth more than pick 3.
“2 and 20 would be perfect”
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Whately is such a wally. I loved the fact that RTB saw through his BS and wouldn't go on his show.

I'm sure the Lachie Neale back to Freo was done last year. We got pick 6 for him, Lachie, his manager, and Freo figured he's 3 years older so pick 8 would get it done with maybe a 3rd rounder coming back. Then Whately said he's now won a Brownlow so he's worth picks 6 and 8 and people took that as gospel and ran with it so we pulled out.

Glad Robbo took the opposing view to his valuation on Jackson.
 
Wabjub said:
I garuntee they won't trade 2 firsts for Jackson. Some of the biggest trades recently for bonafide stars like Cameron Dangerfield Shiel all were for 2 firsts but also sending picks the other way.

Jackson isn't on that level of value yet. Pick 13 and what we get for lobb/acres with 32 coming back.
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It'll be 2 x firsts. Our first rounder this year and next. Pick 13 and about the same pick next year is fair.

If our best offer is what you suggest the Eagles will trade pick 2 for say picks 10 and 12, trade 10 and 20 for Jackson and still have pick 12. That's a great result for West Coast.
 

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G Mus said:
It’s not impossible that he’s peaked already, he’s a jack of all trades, and those types of players very rarely reach their potential
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Up to the coaching team to work out how to tap that potential. Too often their versatility is over used to plug deficiencies, find him a role, let him develop, like any young player finding his AFL feet.
 
I voted "yes" but the poll is a bit reductive. If we give up two firsts for Jacko, I'd say no. If we give up one first and a low second, then maybe. If we give up one first and a fringe player, I say yes! Let's check some data:

2018 -
Sean Darcy (age 20)
Hitouts = 233
Contested possessions =38
Marks = 15
Goals = 1

2019 -
Sean Darcy (age 21)
Hitouts = 300
Contested possessions = 80
Marks = 20
Goals = 2

2020
Sean Darcy (age 22)
Hitouts = 330
Contested possessions = 92
Marks = 25
Goals = 4

Luke Jackson (age 18)
Hitouts = 29
Contested possessions = 28
Marks = 9
Goals = 3

2021
Sean Darcy (age 23)
Hitouts = 599
Contested possessions =230
Marks = 12
Goals = 90

Luke Jackson (age 19)
Hitouts = 255
Contested possessions = 157
Marks = 72
Goals = 16

2022
Sean Darcy (age 24)
Hitouts = 712
Contested possessions =188
Marks = 51
Goals = 10

Luke Jackson (age 20)
Hitouts = 243
Contested possessions =178
Marks = 65
Goals = 11


So, Here's a direct comparison from both at age 20. And, I've thrown in Rory Lobb stats as a 20 year old.

Sean Darcy (age 20)
Hitouts = 233
Contested possessions =38
Marks = 15
Goals = 1

Luke Jackson (age 20)
Hitouts = 243
Contested possessions =178
Marks = 65
Goals = 11

Rory Lobb (age 20)
Hitouts = 0
Contested possessions = 0
Marks = 0
Goals = 0
*He wasn't drafted until he was 21.

Now, I know comparing Darcy to Jackson is not apple to apples, but it's interesting none-the-less. Lobb did nothing at 20. There is a lot of upside to Jackson, but like many have said, we're looking at potential here. Will he get there? Not sure, but he's tracking really well for 20 year old kid.

I trust belly to not overpay and get a fair price. Gonna be interesting.
 
I say walk away. Eagles can have him in the PSD.

We keep Lobb being contracted and Logue and Acres can get paid what they are worth instead of a lower rate because of an over inflated price of an ex wa player.
 
Dockeroo said:
Darcy played like a $450k per annum player this year. No certainty he will make the step up to elite level, he should but it’s not guaranteed.
Would be a good 6 or 7 rucks around the comp that outperformed him this year.
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Name them then.
 
Tony_Clifton said:
I think the frustrating thing is that those aboard the Luke Jackson bandwagon jumped on at the end of last season after his quarter the grandfinal. When presented with new information they will not budge from their halo toting wunderkind.
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I jumped on at Round 22 this season ☺️
 
Silencer83 said:
Name them then.
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This year?
Gawn
Witts
Tom Hickey
Tim English
Nankervis

Were all comfortably ahead of Darcy on performance.
Then there’s guys like Rowan Marshall, and Reilly o brien who had very good spells at different stages of the season.
I thought that Dixon and finlayson pinch hit very effectively in the ruck for port too at times.
Dixon tore Darcy to shreds in the final quarter of our game v port for example.
Didn’t see enough of Goldstein this season.

I’m a big fan of Sean but you have to say that he was down a lot since last year.
 
Dockeroo said:
This year?
Gawn
Witts
Tom Hickey
Tim English
Nankervis

Were all comfortably ahead of Darcy on performance.
Then there’s guys like Rowan Marshall, and Reilly o brien who had very good spells at different stages of the season.
I thought that Dixon and finlayson pinch hit very effectively in the ruck for port too at times.
Dixon tore Darcy to shreds in the final quarter of our game v port for example.
Didn’t see enough of Goldstein this season.

I’m a big fan of Sean but you have to say that he was down a lot since last year.
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Lol. Gawn and Witts yes.

Some of the other names are laughable
 
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