NFL 2022 NFL - Week 4

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FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 @ 10:15 AM
Miami at Cincinnati LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 12:30 AM
Minnesota vs New Orleans (at Tottenham) LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 4:00 AM
Buffalo at Baltimore LIVE
Chicago at New York Giants
Cleveland at Atlanta
Jacksonville at Philadelphia LIVE
Los Angeles Chargers at Houston
New York Jets at Pittsburgh
Seattle at Detroit
Tennessee at Indianapolis LIVE
Washington at Dallas

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:05 AM
Arizona at Carolina

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 7:25 AM
Denver at Las Vegas LIVE
New England at Green Bay LIVE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 3 @ 11:20 AM
Kansas City at Tampa Bay LIVE

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 4 @ 11:15 AM
Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 10.15 AM ON 30/9: Miami at Cincinnati
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.30 AM ON 3/10: Minnesota vs New Orleans (at Tottenham)
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Buffalo at Baltimore
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Tennessee at Indianapolis
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 4.00 AM ON 3/10: Jacksonville at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 7.25 AM ON 3/10: New England at Green Bay
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 7.25 AM ON 3/10: Denver at Las Vegas
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 11.20 AM ON 3/10: Kansas City at Tampa Bay
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 11.15 AM ON 4/10 : Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco

LIVE ON watchESPN AT 4:00 AM on 3/10: NFL RedZone

NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA, NT
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Some surprises in there. Shocked Pierce is below expected and Jacobs is over. Would have thought it would be the other way around.

 

[offtherails9]

The discourse on the Tua thing is so predictable lol. You scroll twitter and it's just people out-taking each other to try and appear more superior and caring and outraged.

The Tua thing was scary but let's not pretend like there isn't guys getting concussed each week that we never hear about because they keep it to themselves. Unfortunately with something that's so hard to diagnose in a sport so violent, there will always be a grey area.

The NFL has actually done such an incredible job of minimizing head hits and concussions for the most part this past 10 years, it's become a different game and a much safer one.

Although letting him fly last night is a little worrying lol.

 

[aussiedude]

The discourse on the Tua thing is so predictable lol. You scroll twitter and it's just people out-taking each other to try and appear more superior and caring and outraged.

The Tua thing was scary but let's not pretend like there isn't guys getting concussed each week that we never hear about because they keep it to themselves. Unfortunately with something that's so hard to diagnose in a sport so violent, there will always be a grey area.

The NFL has actually done such an incredible job of minimizing head hits and concussions for the most part this past 10 years, it's become a different game and a much safer one.

Although letting him fly last night is a little worrying lol.

There are concussions you dont see much from, and then there are ones like Tua when he is out on the ground for 5mins while a cart takes him off. and because of last week its also a question of second impact concussions and was this avoidable. He shouldnt of even been out there, but was he seeing everything at normal speed or was the concussion from lastweek slowing down his decision making which could of lead to holding the ball.

But its also because of how violent the sling sack was.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I’ve followed stories on CTE for over a decade now. Some of the social media accounts I follow are suggesting the physiological response to a relatively minor impact indicated Secondary Impact Syndrome… which obviously suggests he was concussed last week.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The discourse on the Tua thing is so predictable lol. You scroll twitter and it's just people out-taking each other to try and appear more superior and caring and outraged.

The Tua thing was scary but let's not pretend like there isn't guys getting concussed each week that we never hear about because they keep it to themselves. Unfortunately with something that's so hard to diagnose in a sport so violent, there will always be a grey area.

The NFL has actually done such an incredible job of minimizing head hits and concussions for the most part this past 10 years, it's become a different game and a much safer one.

Although letting him fly last night is a little worrying lol.

The unknown (to us laymen) part is what happens once a player cops a head knock and is handed over to the medical staff.

For us it's an end point - they're going through concussion protocols

They either pass or they don't. Black and white.

But how rigid are the protocols? Are they an exact science? Do different doctors have a different threshold for what qualifies as a concussion symptom?

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

There are concussions you dont see much from, and then there are ones like Tua when he is out on the ground for 5mins while a cart takes him off. and because of last week its also a question of second impact concussions and was this avoidable. He shouldnt of even been out there, but was he seeing everything at normal speed or was the concussion from lastweek slowing down his decision making which could of lead to holding the ball.

But its also because of how violent the sling sack was.

I’ve followed stories on CTE for over a decade now. Some of the social media accounts I follow are suggesting the physiological response to a relatively minor impact indicated Secondary Impact Syndrome… which obviously suggests he was concussed last week.

The unknown (to us laymen) part is what happens once a player cops a head knock and is handed over to the medical staff.

For us it's an end point - they're going through concussion protocols

They either pass or they don't. Black and white.

But how rigid are the protocols? Are they an exact science? Do different doctors have a different threshold for what qualifies as a concussion symptom?

The New Yorker article a decade ago that really drove the media spotlight into mainstream media was the first to point out that the studies were suggesting that the overwhelming evidence was that the bulk of CTE effects came from the cumulative impacts of slight or low impact hits in training over a ten or fifteen year career (starting form little league/Pop Warner football at under tens level). Of course individual moments of massive hits can and do cause trauma, but very revealing that so much of the CTE damage seems to be done by lots of low impact "training" rather than game day hits.

“The first concussion was during preseason. The team was doing two-a-days,” he said, referring to the habit of practicing in both the morning and the evening in the preseason. “It was August 9th, 9:55 A.M. He has an 80-g hit to the front of his head. About ten minutes later, he has a 98-g acceleration to the front of his head.” To put those numbers in perspective, Guskiewicz explained, if you drove your car into a wall at twenty-five miles per hour and you weren’t wearing your seat belt, the force of your head hitting the windshield would be around 100 gs: in effect, the player had two car accidents that morning. He survived both without incident. “In the evening session, he experiences this 64-g hit to the same spot, the front of the head. Still not reporting anything. And then this happens.” On his laptop, Guskiewicz ran the video from the practice session. It was a simple drill: the lineman squaring off against an offensive player who wore the number 76. The other player ran toward the lineman and brushed past him, while delivering a glancing blow to the defender’s helmet. “Seventy-six does a little quick elbow. It’s 63 gs, the lowest of the four, but he sustains a concussion.”...​

​

"...what sidelined the U.N.C. player, the first time around, was an accidental and seemingly innocuous elbow, and none of the blows he suffered that day would have been flagged by a referee as illegal. Most important, though, is what Guskiewicz found when he reviewed all the data for the lineman on that first day in training camp. He didn’t just suffer those four big blows. He was hit in the head thirty-one times that day. What seems to have caused his concussion, in other words, was his cumulative exposure.​

...​

"The HITS data suggest that, in an average football season, a lineman could get struck in the head a thousand times, which means that a ten-year N.F.L. veteran, when you bring in his college and high-school playing days, could well have been hit in the head eighteen thousand times: that’s thousands of jarring blows that shake the brain from front to back and side to side, stretching and weakening and tearing the connections among nerve cells, and making the brain increasingly vulnerable to long-term damage."​

See here for more info

How Different Are Dogfighting and Football?

There is some really good discussion in this thread...

Other - Concussions and Player Safety Issues

Hey guys, I thought I'd start a thread about the big talking point in the NFL at the moment - that of player concussions. We have had star players sitting out games recently due to the lingering effects of concussion, so it is a big deal. You guys have probably read heaps on this already, so...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[nobbyiscool]

The unknown (to us laymen) part is what happens once a player cops a head knock and is handed over to the medical staff.

For us it's an end point - they're going through concussion protocols

They either pass or they don't. Black and white.

But how rigid are the protocols? Are they an exact science? Do different doctors have a different threshold for what qualifies as a concussion symptom?

I think we'll know more after this, cos I think that's what the NFLPA wants to find out - what happened after he was cleared during halftime last week. If nothing, that's a gross failure.

 

[nobbyiscool]

The New Yorker article a decade ago that really drove the media spotlight into mainstream media was the first to point out that the studies were suggesting that the overwhelming evidence was that the bulk of CTE effects came from the cumulative impacts of slight or low impact hits in training over a ten or fifteen year career (starting form little league/Pop Warner football at under tens level). Of course individual moments of massive hits can and do cause trauma, but very revealing that so much of the CTE damage seems to be done by lots of low impact "training" rather than game day hits.

“The first concussion was during preseason. The team was doing two-a-days,” he said, referring to the habit of practicing in both the morning and the evening in the preseason. “It was August 9th, 9:55 A.M. He has an 80-g hit to the front of his head. About ten minutes later, he has a 98-g acceleration to the front of his head.” To put those numbers in perspective, Guskiewicz explained, if you drove your car into a wall at twenty-five miles per hour and you weren’t wearing your seat belt, the force of your head hitting the windshield would be around 100 gs: in effect, the player had two car accidents that morning. He survived both without incident. “In the evening session, he experiences this 64-g hit to the same spot, the front of the head. Still not reporting anything. And then this happens.” On his laptop, Guskiewicz ran the video from the practice session. It was a simple drill: the lineman squaring off against an offensive player who wore the number 76. The other player ran toward the lineman and brushed past him, while delivering a glancing blow to the defender’s helmet. “Seventy-six does a little quick elbow. It’s 63 gs, the lowest of the four, but he sustains a concussion.”...​

​

"...what sidelined the U.N.C. player, the first time around, was an accidental and seemingly innocuous elbow, and none of the blows he suffered that day would have been flagged by a referee as illegal. Most important, though, is what Guskiewicz found when he reviewed all the data for the lineman on that first day in training camp. He didn’t just suffer those four big blows. He was hit in the head thirty-one times that day. What seems to have caused his concussion, in other words, was his cumulative exposure.​

...​

"The HITS data suggest that, in an average football season, a lineman could get struck in the head a thousand times, which means that a ten-year N.F.L. veteran, when you bring in his college and high-school playing days, could well have been hit in the head eighteen thousand times: that’s thousands of jarring blows that shake the brain from front to back and side to side, stretching and weakening and tearing the connections among nerve cells, and making the brain increasingly vulnerable to long-term damage."​

See here for more info

How Different Are Dogfighting and Football?

There is some really good discussion in this thread...

Other - Concussions and Player Safety Issues

Hey guys, I thought I'd start a thread about the big talking point in the NFL at the moment - that of player concussions. We have had star players sitting out games recently due to the lingering effects of concussion, so it is a big deal. You guys have probably read heaps on this already, so...

www.bigfooty.com

Yep, that was the prevailing opinion after the wrestler Chris Benoit murdered his wife and kid.

There was also an autopsy done on a kid that took his own life at 23 who never payed beyond college and never had a reported "major" concussion who was found to have CTE.

 

[Constantgin]

Another guy who has being ruined by cte



His really lucky his not in jail for a long time doing this in the middle eastern country.

 

[Constantgin]

 

[Constantgin]

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

The NFLPA sacked the unaffiliated neuro consultant as is their right. The consultant continued to monitor Tua between Sunday and Thursday’s game but the team had the right to also use their own med staff to monitor. No mention if they did. And importantly no mention of any back injury by McDaniel. You can sniff the bs a mile away..

Sources: Doctor who evaluated Tagovailoa fired

The unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant involved in clearing Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa during last Sunday's game against the Bills has been fired after it was found he made "several mistakes" in his evaluation, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[offtherails9]

The unknown (to us laymen) part is what happens once a player cops a head knock and is handed over to the medical staff.

For us it's an end point - they're going through concussion protocols

They either pass or they don't. Black and white.

But how rigid are the protocols? Are they an exact science? Do different doctors have a different threshold for what qualifies as a concussion symptom?

Yeah well I think that's the thing hey, how can you have an exact science for something that you can't really physically diagnose like that. A hammy or a dislocated finger are pretty easy to diagnose but if you can't see it, plus you're relying on the player telling the truth on how they're feeling etc it's never going to be exact I feel.
I understand they do check things like your eye movement and then probably ask questions and see if you reach the same baseline you reached last time but you can definitely still pass that stuff and be concussed.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Another guy who has being ruined by cte



His really lucky his not in jail for a long time doing this in the middle eastern country.

Forget jail, lucky he isn't having his **** cut off in the middle of town

 

[samFFC]

I think we'll know more after this, cos I think that's what the NFLPA wants to find out - what happened after he was cleared during halftime last week. If nothing, that's a gross failure.

As posted above

 

[drd23]

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

 

[samFFC]

Weird to have an early game and still 9 early games

 

[nobbyiscool]

Just stop and think about that for a second.

The fact that you would have to even legislate that means the NFL’s current concussion protocols wouldn’t be worth the paper they’re written on after I’d wiped my arse with it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I was shocked he was allowed back on the field against the Bills last week after an obvious concussion.

I'm shocked he was allowed to play again 4 DAYS LATER after suffering an obvious concussion against Buffalo.

I'm shocked he was not tested for post concussion symptoms after the initial hit last week. Listening to Mays on The Athletic podcast he said that because Tua apparently passed the concussion test last Sunday he wasn't checked with any follow up tests during the week.

Now after suffering a second concussion in 5 days it is not hyperbole to say his career could be hanging by a thread let alone any health implications.

If this doesn't scream negligence on behalf of Miami AND the NFL then I don't know what is.

Surely they're not saying he is expected to play next week? Surely?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

“Just a concussion”
“Nothing structural “

Did I imagine the past 10 years?

I was sn1ggering at the fact the commentators kept referring to it as a "head injury". Umm it's actually concussion, a brain injury.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Na thats bullshit, you need to be saved from yourself in circumstances like this. Every player is gonna want to play and will lie. This is medical negligence

Especially considering he is unlikely to have been in a clear frame of mind. It is the club and doctors role to make the call, every player will say they are ok to play.

 

[samFFC]

I was shocked he was allowed back on the field against the Bills last week after an obvious concussion.

I'm shocked he was allowed to play again 4 DAYS LATER after suffering an obvious concussion against Buffalo.

I'm shocked he was not tested for post concussion symptoms after the initial hit last week. Listening to Mays on The Athletic podcast he said that because Tua apparently passed the concussion test last Sunday he wasn't checked with any follow up tests during the week.

Now after suffering a second concussion in 5 days it is not hyperbole to say his career could be hanging by a thread let alone any health implications.

If this doesn't scream negligence on behalf of Miami AND the NFL then I don't know what is.

Surely they're not saying he is expected to play next week? Surely?

Maybe not expected but they have 10 day break, so they haven’t taken it off the table. The protocol is 5 parts of at least 1-2 days each, so theoretically could play. But whether that is a good idea….

 

[aussiedude]

midnight games never feel right.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Tua Tagovailoa (concussion) has received 'clean' results on all medical examinations, including an MRI on his neck, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

Tagovailoa remains in the league's concussion protocol, but he's at least avoided suffering any fractures in his neck or similar injuries. Coach Mike McDaniel has declined to offer an expected recovery timetable for the third-year quarterback, per Marcel Louis-Jacques of ESPN.com, saying "it's all about Tua the person." Teddy Bridgewater would be in line to start Week 5 versus the Jets if Tagovailoa is unavailable, and it certainly seems likely that the Dolphins will proceed cautiously with his recovery. Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tagovailoa is expected to be interviewed next week as part of the NFL's and NFLPA's investigation into his having been cleared to retake the field Week 3 versus the Bills. Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network reports that the unaffiliated neurotrama consultant involved in clearing Tagovailoa versus Buffalo has been fired as a result of the NFLPA's initial findings.