Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Chief]

Continued in Part 2:

Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion

Who gives a **** about finals anyway So overrated It’s all about the draft these days

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[Get_The_Gaff]

Genuine question, do we think Tom Browne can drive?

He grew up ridiculously wealthy and has the intelligence of below even an average poster on here. I think there's every chance he's never driven in his life.

Are you saying tom browne is hungry Tiger?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

They’ll be hoping North Melbourne pull another ‘Hugh Greenwood’…

Called it at the time it was a salary dump.

Norf thought they were so clever . I mean 700k for Hugh greenwood was stupid of GC in the first place , norf 'poaching' him and adding another year !

Stupid .

Maybe we should delist gaff and re-rookie him and see if anyone bites

 

[Forward Press]

Geelong has an absolutely shocking record with first round selections. They have a great record with second rounds are are brilliant at getting trade targets in for cheap.

Was curious about this, so did some digging...I bolded the definite hits, italicised ones where it's marginal, cut-off at 2017 given it's still too early to make conclusive calls for those less than five years into their career:

1st round picks
1998 - none
1999 - Corey (276 games for Geelong), Spriggs (64), Bray (0)
2000 - none
2001 - Bartel (305), Kelly (273)
2002 - Mackie (280)
2003 - Tenace (59)
2004 - none
2005 - Varcoe (138)
2006 - Selwood (355)
2007 - Taylor (280)
2008 - Brown (15)
2009 - Menzel (73)
2010 - Smedts (38), C Guthrie (230)
2011 - none
2012 - Thurlow (46)
2013 - Lang (44)
2014 - Cockatoo (34)
2015 - none
2016 - none
2017 - none

17 picks used, 8 hits, 2 marginal

2nd round picks
1998 - Street (17 games for Geelong), Clarke (89), Wojcinski (203)
1999 - Foster (17), Chapman (251)
2000 - none
2001 - Gardiner (51), Johnson (253)
2002 - Lonergan (209)
2003 - Thurley (7)
2004 - Prismall (25)
2005 - West (54), Owen (0)
2006 - Djerkurra (4)
2007 - Simpson (28)
2008 - Gillies (13)
2009 - Duncan (258)
2010 - Horlin-Smith (51), Schroder (5)
2011 - Hamling (0), Kersten (37), Murdoch (108)
2012 - none
2013 - Jansen (0)
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Parfitt (112), Stewart (126)
2017 - Fogarty (23), Kelly (48), Constable (12)

27 used, 8 hits, 4 marginal

I wouldn't go that far to say they have bombed their first rounders but nailed their seconds. Looks like a typical success/failure ratio of most AFL sides. As always with many premiership sides, you just have to get lucky with the right players in the right spots and trade astutely, and it makes up for the draft failures.

 

[Truckosaurus]

About 1/3 of their premiership team originally played at another AFL club

 

[briztoon]

About 1/3 of their premiership team originally played at another AFL club

lol. Look at our best 22.

 

[Rowan18]

Was curious about this, so did some digging...I bolded the definite hits, italicised ones where it's marginal, cut-off at 2017 given it's still too early to make conclusive calls for those less than five years into their career:

1st round picks
1998 - none
1999 - Corey (276 games for Geelong), Spriggs (64), Bray (0)
2000 - none
2001 - Bartel (305), Kelly (273)
2002 - Mackie (280)
2003 - Tenace (59)
2004 - none
2005 - Varcoe (138)
2006 - Selwood (355)
2007 - Taylor (280)
2008 - Brown (15)
2009 - Menzel (73)
2010 - Smedts (38), C Guthrie (230)
2011 - none
2012 - Thurlow (46)
2013 - Lang (44)
2014 - Cockatoo (34)
2015 - none
2016 - none
2017 - none

17 picks used, 8 hits, 2 marginal

2nd round picks
1998 - Street (17 games for Geelong), Clarke (89), Wojcinski (203)
1999 - Foster (17), Chapman (251)
2000 - none
2001 - Gardiner (51), Johnson (253)
2002 - Lonergan (209)
2003 - Thurley (7)
2004 - Prismall (25)
2005 - West (54), Owen (0)
2006 - Djerkurra (4)
2007 - Simpson (28)
2008 - Gillies (13)
2009 - Duncan (258)
2010 - Horlin-Smith (51), Schroder (5)
2011 - Hamling (0), Kersten (37), Murdoch (108)
2012 - none
2013 - Jansen (0)
2014 - none
2015 - none
2016 - Parfitt (112), Stewart (126)
2017 - Fogarty (23), Kelly (48), Constable (12)

27 used, 8 hits, 4 marginal

I wouldn't go that far to say they have bombed their first rounders but nailed their seconds. Looks like a typical success/failure ratio of most AFL sides. As always with many premiership sides, you just have to get lucky with the right players in the right spots and trade astutely, and it makes up for the draft failures.

Thanks- that's interesting. I was thinking more about the last 10 years when I made my comment and they haven't done well in first rounders since 2007. I didn't realise they were also pretty bad with second rounders.

Look at their period from 2010 to 2017. The only first round hit was Guthrie and he didn't come good until 2020. Their only second round hits were parfitt, Stewart and Kelly and they came from 2016 and 2017!

Their recent success has clearly been built on free agency, trades and keeping their veterans on the park for a long time. Their drafting is actually shithouse.

 

[Forward Press]

Thanks- that's interesting. I was thinking more about the last 10 years when I made my comment and they haven't done well in first rounders since 2007. I didn't realise they were also pretty bad with second rounders.

Look at their period from 2010 to 2017. The only first round hit was Guthrie and he didn't come good until 2020. Their only second round hits were parfitt, Stewart and Kelly and they came from 2016 and 2017!

Their recent success has clearly been built on free agency, trades and keeping their veterans on the park for a long time. Their drafting is actually shithouse.

Not just that - aside from the aforementioned one third of their premiership team being recruited from other clubs (Dangerfield, Smith, Tuohy, Cameron, Stanley, Stengle, Rohan)...

Jack Henry - rookie (non-mature age)
Mark O'Connor - international
Gryan Miers - pick 57
Brad Close - rookie (mature age)
Mark Blicavs - rookie (former runner)
Jed Bews - pick 86
Tom Atkins - rookie (mature age)
Zac Guthrie - rookie (non-mature age)

Not many first or second round picks. A key part of our future flag push will be lucking out on these speculative picks - and it is mostly luck. Someone like Jamaine Jones that has shown rapid improvement and may have a found niche as a rebounding half back, and making a mockery of the speculative nature of his initial selection by us. One can hope someone else like say Jai Culley becomes part of a premiership side and we luck out on his development.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Not just that - aside from the aforementioned one third of their premiership team being recruited from other clubs (Dangerfield, Smith, Tuohy, Cameron, Stanley, Stengle, Rohan)...

Jack Henry - rookie (non-mature age)
Mark O'Connor - international
Gryan Miers - pick 57
Brad Close - rookie (mature age)
Mark Blicavs - rookie (former runner)
Jed Bews - pick 86
Tom Atkins - rookie (mature age)
Zac Guthrie - rookie (non-mature age)

Not many first or second round picks. A key part of our future flag push will be lucking out on these speculative picks - and it is mostly luck. Someone like Jamaine Jones that has shown rapid improvement and may have a found niche as a rebounding half back, and making a mockery of the speculative nature of his initial selection by us. One can hope someone else like say Jai Culley becomes part of a premiership side and we luck out on his development.

More importantly most of those guys are bit footballers playing a role. You can find them at pick 10 and you can't find them in the rookie draft.

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[DJMac]

Am I the only one who thinks Lyon will be an astute signing by the Saints?

He’s done well there before and is a much better coach than Ratten.

It’s like a dog returning to its vomit.

 

[southcoast]

AFL media pile on about Ross Lyon being perfect as the new coach for St Kilda just shows much of an ‘old boys’ club the AFL is.

The guy left two clubs acrimoniously and looks like going back to one of them.

Weird.


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[WCErevival]

So was Ross talking with the Saints before Ratten was fired? If so, its the second time he's got someone fired early.

 

[Doashuey]

So was Ross talking with the Saints before Ratten was fired? If so, its the second time he's got someone fired early.

Lyon's job application and 3 step premiership plan to St Kilda:

Step 1- Fire Brett
Step 2- Hire Ross the Boss
Step 3- Profit

 

[squashface]

So was Ross talking with the Saints before Ratten was fired? If so, its the second time he's got someone fired early.

I think everything fell into place far too nicely and quickly for that not to be the case.

St Kilda will always angle it that RTB interest had nothing to do with Ratten’s sacking but I highly doubt.

 

[Ishmael_]

1. Contracted coach sacked.
2. Zero warning or speculation.
3. A failure club desperate for success.
4. No obvious coaching candidates.

It's gotta be Ross, please dear god let it be Ross.

'Unfinished business': Lyon returns after Lethal's advice

St Kilda has confirmed Ross Lyon's return as senior coach, 11 years after leaving the club

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Hawthorn, Brisbane and Norf (also known as the worst team of all time) are all engulfed in racism scandals. Hawthorn are also tanking.
Essendon sacked their coach and dusted off Brad Scott
St Kilda go full you-know-what and bring back Ross the Boss

Makes giving up Pick 2 for a couple of local mids (or a local key defender and a HBF...) from a U18 team that got beaten every week seem like nothing at all.

Like nothing at all.

 

[Avalor]

So was Ross talking with the Saints before Ratten was fired? If so, its the second time he's got someone fired early.

It's looking that way, pretty obvious, I would have thought. Ross the Boss, not a friend you would want to have.

 

[Bender_]

White-anting mother ****er.

 

[Forward Press]

Hawthorn, Brisbane and Norf (also known as the worst team of all time) are all engulfed in racism scandals. Hawthorn are also tanking.
Essendon sacked their coach and dusted off Brad Scott
St Kilda go full you-know-what and bring back Ross the Boss

Makes giving up Pick 2 for a couple of local mids (or a local key defender and a HBF...) from a U18 team that got beaten every week seem like nothing at all.

Like nothing at all.

Essendon's CEO was also in and out in 24 hours.

As bad as things may get for our club (and we've had plenty of low points), most other clubs would prefer our on and off-field performance since foundation.

 

[Chris_6678]

Been a very strange year in the AFL.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Essendon's CEO was also in and out in 24 hours.

As bad as things may get for our club (and we've had plenty of low points), most other clubs would prefer our on and off-field performance since foundation.

I knew there was more to Essendon than just sacking their coach, not sure how I forgot that saga!

Probably because it only lasted like 24 hours. Even Liz Truss lasted longer!

 

[Rowan18]

Been a very strange year in the AFL.

Very strange. We had an on and off field implosion, only won two games and had record injuries, yet we are no-where near the worst performed club overall for the year.

 

[mentalgrind]

The absolute cringe. Just read the comments

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[FKASC]

Fold your arms club

 

[Rowan18]

The absolute cringe. Just read the comments

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Ha ha ha. I really want the saints to win a flag next year for the lols (unless we do a Collingwood and somehow become a contender).

 

[Cuzz09]

Saints aren't winning shit

They're a chance of the spoon with us Roos and hawks

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