2022 Hawthorn List Management Discussion (including Trade, FA period)

[Strapping Young Lad]

If we could just keep these outlandish goals in house that would be great.

Seems nothing was learned since the last time Kennett spouted off.

Meh, every club would have similar targets if they’re serious. Nothing wrong with aiming high.

If Nank starts bad mouthing other clubs or suggesting Hawthorn have the wood over them then we can draw comparisons to Jeff, otherwise he’s just setting expectations of what the HFC need to achieve.

 

[eldorado]

Hawks president candidate sets “ambitious” target for future premiership success

“The Hawthorn Football Club is used to that success, it’s in our DNA...”

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7 flags in the next 28 years.
A flag every 4 years

We need Gowers to come out and say "8 flags in the next 28 years", to watch Nankivell's reaction.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

The Dare to be Different plan was most certainly a bad egg.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Meh, every club would have similar targets if they’re serious. Nothing wrong with aiming high.

If Nank starts bad mouthing other clubs or suggesting Hawthorn have the wood over them then we can draw comparisons to Jeff, otherwise he’s just setting expectations of what the HFC need to achieve.

They have plans - sure. None of them are audaciously stupid or unachievable as winning 7 premierships in a 28 year period in a compromised 18, soon to be 19/20 team competition. We have only ever hit that kind of number once in our history from 1971-1991 where we hit 8 flags. That wouldn't be remotely possible in the modern era - so why aim for something unattainable? I like ambition - I don't like ambition for ambition's sake.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Hawks president candidate sets “ambitious” target for future premiership success

“The Hawthorn Football Club is used to that success, it’s in our DNA...”

www.sen.com.au

7 flags in the next 28 years.
A flag every 4 years

Ridiculous to say this out loud, our last big "target" was a disaster too. But I suppose you have to aim for the stars and all that.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Ridiculous to say this out loud, our last big "target" was a disaster too. But I suppose you have to aim for the stars and all that.

You're not basking in the glow of our 2 flags between 2018-2022? You ingrate!

 

[H00t]

Meh, every club would have similar targets if they’re serious. Nothing wrong with aiming high.

If Nank starts bad mouthing other clubs or suggesting Hawthorn have the wood over them then we can draw comparisons to Jeff, otherwise he’s just setting expectations of what the HFC need to achieve.

3 flags in the next 28 years would be an exceptional effort. Flags are very hard to win. I would be over the moon with that.

Winning 7 is fantasy land stuff. Full power to us if that happens but it’s only been accomplished a handful of times and all before equalisation.

I expect my club to do everything in its power (legally and morally) to win flags. But I certainly don’t expect flags. The comments from Kennet and now Nank suggest they do.

 

[Brishawk]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

They have plans - sure. None of them are audaciously stupid or unachievable as winning 7 premierships in a 28 year period in a compromised 18, soon to be 19/20 team competition. We have only ever hit that kind of number once in our history from 1971-1991 where we hit 8 flags. That wouldn't be remotely possible in the modern era - so why aim for something unattainable? I like ambition - I don't like ambition for ambition's sake.

Remember in 2010 when Brendan Gale said that Richmond wanted to win 3 flags in the next 10 years and have 70,000 members?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

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[Linda CRS]

What risk Hawthorn board members shut up? There has been no risk taken to trade quality to get lower picks.

 

[KermitJagger]

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Reasonable commentary I feel. Back to back seasons of being either the worst or second worst clearance team in the game, hard to argue that it was working and that both showed form to warrant getting us more in return. You can't force other clubs to value players more, and the longer we held on the less they'd be valued.

 

[tl92]

Reasonable commentary I feel. Back to back seasons of being either the worst or second worst clearance team in the game, hard to argue that it was working and that both showed form to warrant getting us more in return. You can't force other clubs to value players more, and the longer we held on the less they'd be valued.

Agreed. You can’t say the midfield is the worst in the comp and then also say we shouldve received top dollar for them. This contradictory view seems to be rampant in any media review of our trade period.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I'd take 2-3 Premierships by 2050 to be honest, that would give me 6-7 premierships by Early 60s and I'd be happy with that.

Not a hope in hell we win 7 by 2050.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Remember in 2010 when Brendan Gale said that Richmond wanted to win 3 flags in the next 10 years and have 70,000 members?

Multiple teams have won 3 flags in 10 year periods though. It’s doable. A side hasn’t done 7+ in 28 years since 1991. It’s not remotely realistic.

 

[A Diakos]

They have plans - sure. None of them are audaciously stupid or unachievable as winning 7 premierships in a 28 year period in a compromised 18, soon to be 19/20 team competition. We have only ever hit that kind of number once in our history from 1971-1991 where we hit 8 flags. That wouldn't be remotely possible in the modern era - so why aim for something unattainable? I like ambition - I don't like ambition for ambition's sake.

we have 12 flags from 1971 to 2022....ie the last 52 years

thats an average of 4.5 flags in the last 52 years

7 flags in the next 28 years is what we should be targeting

Richmond copied our plans declaring 3 flags and 100k members after our successful 5 2 50 achievement and guess what they got it

first steps to achievement is having a goal and saying it

 

[Ned Ryerson]

we have 12 flags from 1971 to 2022....ie the last 52 years

thats an average of 4.5 flags in the last 52 years

7 flags in the next 28 years is what we should be targeting

Richmond copied our plans declaring 3 flags and 100k members after our successful 5 2 50 achievement and guess what they got it

first steps to achievement is having a goal and saying it

Yeah, it’s not the 70s/80s any more. It will only get harder and harder to get a flag with 1-2 more sides and further dilution of the talent pool. The original goal was to win 7 flags in 33 years. 5 years on and it’s now 7 in 28, with a concession that we likely won’t get one in 2023 or 2024. So that’s 7 in 26 years then - it just gets more and more silly.

A short term goal of multiple flags isn’t as lofty because Brisbane, Geelong, Richmond and us have done it all this century. Expecting 7 in a 26 year period in the modern game is only going to end in disappointment.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

we have 12 flags from 1971 to 2022....ie the last 52 years

thats an average of 4.5 flags in the last 52 years

7 flags in the next 28 years is what we should be targeting

Richmond copied our plans declaring 3 flags and 100k members after our successful 5 2 50 achievement and guess what they got it

first steps to achievement is having a goal and saying it

Can't factor in the 70s and 80s as a comparison, 6 more teams in the comp now and rules make them a lot harder to win.

To even come close we'd need to get another generational team like 2008-2016 and even if we won 4 in an 8 year period again then 3 in the other 20 is still a tough ask.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Multiple teams have won 3 flags in 10 year periods though. It’s doable. A side hasn’t done 7+ in 28 years since 1991. It’s not remotely realistic.

Take off your negative Nelly pants and embrace the clubs desire to succeed.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'd take 2-3 Premierships by 2050 to be honest, that would give me 6-7 premierships by Early 60s and I'd be happy with that.

Not a hope in hell we win 7 by 2050.

HODGEYROAD can’t see Hawthorn being as successful as they plan to be.

What a twist.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Take off your negative Nelly pants and embrace the clubs desire to succeed.

I don’t not want the club to succeed. I’d prefer the board of my club to live in reality. If the club said we wanted to be the first AFL side to win the Sydney to Hobart would you applaud the ambition or worry that someone high up has lost the plot a bit. There’s nothing negative about conceding that 7 flags in 26 years or under isn’t a remote chance of happening.

 

[spudmaster]

I don’t not want the club to succeed. I’d prefer the board of my club to live in reality. If the club said we wanted to be the first AFL side to win the Sydney to Hobart would you applaud the ambition or worry that someone high up has lost the plot a bit. There’s nothing negative about conceding that 7 flags in 26 years or under isn’t a remote chance of happening.

I'd be wondering why we're not sailing to Launceston instead to Hobart firstly.

 

[wahawk]

I don’t not want the club to succeed. I’d prefer the board of my club to live in reality. If the club said we wanted to be the first AFL side to win the Sydney to Hobart would you applaud the ambition or worry that someone high up has lost the plot a bit. There’s nothing negative about conceding that 7 flags in 26 years or under isn’t a remote chance of happening.

I’ll bookmark this & remind you of it in 28 yrs time

 

[Judd2Sewell]

HODGEYROAD can’t see Hawthorn being as successful as they plan to be.

What a twist.

It's a ridiculous goal to state publicly, and as Ned pointed out it's something that hasn't been done since our 80's side. That will never happen again in an 18+ team competition that is designed to be cyclical. No issue if that's the internal aim, but to say it publicly means we will be held against that now.

It would have been less outrageous to simply say we aim to win the flag every year. At least that can be written off as an empty comment.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don’t not want the club to succeed. I’d prefer the board of my club to live in reality. If the club said we wanted to be the first AFL side to win the Sydney to Hobart would you applaud the ambition or worry that someone high up has lost the plot a bit. There’s nothing negative about conceding that 7 flags in 26 years or under isn’t a remote chance of happening.

No offense Ned, but that’s one of the dumbest analogies I’ve ever read.

We’re talking about a football club having aspirations and plans to be more successful than they’ve ever been. This is not something that we should ever have a problem with.