2023 Hawthorn List Management Discussion (including Trade, FA period)

[Hodgey 15]

it's hardly tarnishing them to have a higher standard of expectations for the leaders of the club.
I'm not talking about Mitchell, Hodge, Bugoyne levels of leadership either.
This crop isn't even up to the standard of our second tier leaders from the premiership era.

What a load of rubbish.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Numbers of times they point at teammates per match.
Luke Hodge greatest captain ever = highest PAT per match I have ever seen.

Are you being serious?

I’m starting to think you’re just trolling.

 

[peetoo]

Yep, we are really at the bottom leadership wise........

Oh wait, how about these 2 inspiring leaders???

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Can we now put a warning on the thread? Disturbing images

 

[The Chad and I]

Are you being serious?

I’m starting to think you’re just trolling.

I will leave you make the distinction bw my posts...

 

[The Chad and I]

What a load of rubbish.

2015: Birchall, Roughead, Gunston, Sewell, McEvoy, Smith, Gibson, Shiels...

 

[KermitJagger]

2015: Birchall, Roughead, Gunston, Sewell, McEvoy, Smith, Gibson, Shiels...

Interesting that Sewell still had a leadership role in 2015 despite retiring at the end of 2014.

 

[Hodgey 15]

2015: Birchall, Roughead, Gunston, Sewell, McEvoy, Smith, Gibson, Shiels...

There is no way you could of guaranteed that all those guys would of been leaders at our club when they first started playing AFL, the same as you can't guarantee we now have a core group of players who will not develop into equally good leaders at the club.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[The Chad and I]

Interesting that Sewell still had a leadership role in 2015 despite retiring at the end of 2014.

OK, excuse that oversight.
The rest of the post remains.

 

[The Chad and I]

There is no way you could of guaranteed that all those guys would of been leaders at our club when they first started playing AFL, the same as you can't guarantee we now have a core group of players who will not develop into equally good leaders at the club.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I think we have plenty with leadership potential on the list - but my comment was not addressing that issue.
It was specifically about the newly elected leadership group.

 

[KermitJagger]

OK, excuse that oversight.
The rest of the post remains.

Not really. McEvoy had been at the club for two years, Sewell was retired and quite a few of the rest you're remembering as strong leaders because the club was far more successful over that period, and - as the poster said above - hindsight is a wonderful thing. You admitted previously that you're struggling to stay interested in the Hawks let alone football so you're already closed off to believing that this crop of leaders will be any good.

 

[Davo-27]

As far as the leadership discussion goes(my observations), Sicily seems to have matured and is highly respected at the club, he is also one of the more experienced guys within the team and has been groomed for the past 12 months to take the captaincy, is he a natural leader? not sure, but he will at least lead by example on the field ect.

As for the Vice Captains, Luke Breust

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Luke Breust

Age

34

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

4.8

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

1.8

5star

and Dylan Moore

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Dylan Moore

Age

25

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.3

3star

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D

12.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

are opposites, Breust is very much a follower, but is experienced, hard working and respected, Moore seems very comfortable leading, he takes responsibility, isn't shy to be vocal and make decisions

As for Leadership Group, Sam Frost

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Sam Frost

Age

31

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

191.6

3star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

191.6

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

is tough and uncompromising, willing to fly the flag for the team and takes responsibility, Mitch Lewis as training watchers have reported is vocal amongst the lads and seems popular amongst the group, Jarman Impey is a very nice guy, well liked and has experience

The only other guy I would have thought might have got a leadership spot was Harry Morrison

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Harry Morrison

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

13.4

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

18.4

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

, for him being vocal at training.

But when I look at the playing list I think these are the best options we have at the time, there's potential for others to step up in the future, I was thinking Jai Newcombe could be an inclusion for the future, but understand the club might want him focusing on maintaining form and position within the team.

 

[Davo-27]

I think we have plenty with leadership potential on the list - but my comment was not addressing that issue.
It was specifically about the newly elected leadership group.

OK get to the point, who do you think deserves to be in the leadership group that isn't there?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Punk has been a lot more vocal with the young guys and you can see that Moore admires and respects him for the help he received and continues to receive on his game

 

[Millsie69]

As the most experienced player on our list, I feel like Punky has nothing but respect from his teammates and would be looked up to by many of the younger forwards (and in general). It's very befitting that he joins the leadership group at this time.

 

[PenAndPaper]

As far as the leadership discussion goes(my observations), Sicily seems to have matured and is highly respected at the club, he is also one of the more experienced guys within the team and has been groomed for the past 12 months to take the captaincy, is he a natural leader? not sure, but he will at least lead by example on the field ect.

As for the Vice Captains, Luke Breust and Dylan Moore are opposites, Breust is very much a follower, but is experienced, hard working and respected, Moore seems very comfortable leading, he takes responsibility, isn't shy to be vocal and make decisions

As for Leadership Group, Sam Frost is tough and uncompromising, willing to fly the flag for the team and takes responsibility, Mitch Lewis as training watchers have reported is vocal amongst the lads and seems popular amongst the group, Jarman Impey is a very nice guy, well liked and has experience

The only other guy I would have thought might have got a leadership spot was Harry Morrison, for him being vocal at training.

But when I look at the playing list I think these are the best options we have at the time, there's potential for others to step up in the future, I was thinking Jai Newcombe could be an inclusion for the future, but understand the club might want him focusing on maintaining form and position within the team.

I'm also surprised by the Morrison omission, he is very vocal at training and on the ground during games so definitely thought he would get in there. Seems like a very natural leader.

 

[TheFourPillars]

I'm also surprised by the Morrison omission, he is very vocal at training and on the ground during games so definitely thought he would get in there. Seems like a very natural leader.

He has had some hamstring issues of late which has taken him out of training for significant periods during pre-season and put him in rehab. Others have stepped up and been pretty vocal

 

[moginie]

He has had some hamstring issues of late which has taken him out of training for significant periods during pre-season and put him in rehab. Others have stepped up and been pretty vocal

"Others have stepped up".

I love it.

 

[Tomohawks]

I'm also surprised by the Morrison omission, he is very vocal at training and on the ground during games so definitely thought he would get in there. Seems like a very natural leader.

I'm not sure he's guaranteed a game every week and will be fringe best 22 if we do in fact blood the youngsters as expected. Good, all round solid player who has improved but doesn't have the tricks of some of the others. Maybe that was a factor in his omission.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

 

[CHUBBSS]

The team is being built around big Ned…

 

[WWSD]

Who’s the player next to Fergus Greene on the top right?

 

[Hodginator]

Who’s the player next to Fergus Greene on the top right?

Butler?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Who’s the player next to Fergus Greene on the top right?

Butler?

Yep its butler

 

[Ugottabjokin]

Punk has been a lot more vocal with the young guys and you can see that Moore admires and respects him for the help he received and continues to receive on his game

Why? Because being vocal makes you a good leader!

I think Michael Tuck might disagree with you.

 

[The Chad and I]

Not really. McEvoy had been at the club for two years, Sewell was retired and quite a few of the rest you're remembering as strong leaders because the club was far more successful over that period, and - as the poster said above - hindsight is a wonderful thing. You admitted previously that you're struggling to stay interested in the Hawks let alone football so you're already closed off to believing that this crop of leaders will be any good.

McEvoy - so?
The club was successful because they were all such good leaders.
Im not closed off to any such idea, i just don't see this crop being close to the names i listed.