News NMFC & Tassie (the mass debate re our future there, the academy, attending advice)

[HBFlanker]

Surely the crowds couldn't drop lower than they already have in recent seasons in Hobart.

They will for sure.

Wait until we start seeing Tassie AFL team membership stands at our games in 2024 and 2025.

This cant work. Its all good in theory but the crowds will be under 2000 soon, and the AFL will have to call it.

We are better off putting additional resources and effort into growing our membership base in Victoria.

 

[Horace]

Just throwing my two bobs worth in on this without reading the last few pages, so apologies if I post even more rubbish than I usually do.

I actually have a funny feeling that we may be playing 3 to 4 games in Hobart every year for many many more years. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I wonder if there will ever be a team in Tasmania, and if so, not for several years.

I think the AFL actually doesn't want a team in Tasmania, but to appease the Tasmanian people, they have agreed to a team, subject to a new $750m Stadium being built. Switched around that reads as, no stadium, then no team.

What an enormous and unnecessary hurdle that puts in front of establishing a new team when there are two perfectly good stadia hosting games now, that should be used until the State can afford to built a larger stadium.

Imagine what would have happened back in 1858, when Tommy Wills (Willsy for short) decided he was going to start a competition, if Lord Gillian McLachlanson had proclaimed to Willsy, "That Sir is a simply splendid idea, my good man, but first you must construct a 10000 seat stadium to house all the peasants who may wish to look on from afar on yonder hill."

The game would never have got off the ground.

The AFL is a devious organisation at the best of times and this is their cunning way, in my opinion of course, to give with one hand and take away with the other

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Just throwing my two bobs worth in on this without reading the last few pages, so apologies if I post even more rubbish than I usually do.

I actually have a funny feeling that we may be playing 3 to 4 games in Hobart every year for many many more years. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I wonder if there will ever be a team in Tasmania, and if so, not for several years.

I think the AFL actually doesn't want a team in Tasmania, but to appease the Tasmanian people, they have agreed to a team, subject to a new $750m Stadium being built. Switched around that reads as, no stadium, then no team.

What an enormous and unnecessary hurdle that puts in front of establishing a new team when there are two perfectly good stadia hosting games now, that should be used until the State can afford to built a larger stadium.

Imagine what would have happened back in 1858, when Tommy Wills (Willsy for short) decided he was going to start a competition, if Lord Gillian McLachlanson had proclaimed to Willsy, "That Sir is a simply splendid idea, my good man, but first you must construct a 10000 seat stadium to house all the peasants who may wish to look on from afar on yonder hill."

The game would never have got off the ground.

The AFL is a devious organisation at the best of times and this is their cunning way, in my opinion of course, to give with one hand and takeaway with the other

It's not altogether the most absurd conspiracy theory going around (let's face it, it's not in the top 100) and just to add some spice, the alternative option of an existing club (us) co-locating or relocating to Tasmania did not depend upon or even involve a new stadium. They were quite prepared to have us (well, not us, but the bastardised relocated club) play games in the existing stadia forever. It is only a new franchise that they insist needs a new stadium.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

They will for sure.

Wait until we start seeing Tassie AFL team membership stands at our games in 2024 and 2025.

This cant work. Its all good in theory but the crowds will be under 2000 soon, and the AFL will have to call it.

We are better off putting additional resources and effort into growing our membership base in Victoria.

We will have cashed the cheque regardless of the crowds. I'm not sure what your argument is here.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Just throwing my two bobs worth in on this without reading the last few pages, so apologies if I post even more rubbish than I usually do.

I actually have a funny feeling that we may be playing 3 to 4 games in Hobart every year for many many more years. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I wonder if there will ever be a team in Tasmania, and if so, not for several years.

I think the AFL actually doesn't want a team in Tasmania, but to appease the Tasmanian people, they have agreed to a team, subject to a new $750m Stadium being built. Switched around that reads as, no stadium, then no team.

What an enormous and unnecessary hurdle that puts in front of establishing a new team when there are two perfectly good stadia hosting games now, that should be used until the State can afford to built a larger stadium.

Imagine what would have happened back in 1858, when Tommy Wills (Willsy for short) decided he was going to start a competition, if Lord Gillian McLachlanson had proclaimed to Willsy, "That Sir is a simply splendid idea, my good man, but first you must construct a 10000 seat stadium to house all the peasants who may wish to look on from afar on yonder hill."

The game would never have got off the ground.

The AFL is a devious organisation at the best of times and this is their cunning way, in my opinion of course, to give with one hand and takeaway with the other

Tassie are not interested in North games anymore if you look at the declining crowds, just watch and see how many are turning up in a few years time.

 

[HBFlanker]

We will have cashed the cheque regardless of the crowds. I'm not sure what your argument is here.

The argument is how poor it looks when we have a crowd of 2000 attend

The argument is that Melbourne members are being robbed of more games to provide to a Tasmanian audience who will likely jump ship once the 19th team comes on board.

The argument is that there are viable options in Victoria for these games to take place

The argument is that apart from the revenue it generates, there's no strategic reasoning behind playing in Tasmania any longer.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The argument is how poor it looks when we have a crowd of 2000 attend

The argument is that Melbourne members are being robbed of more games to provide to a Tasmanian audience who will likely jump ship once the 19th team comes on board.

The argument is that there are viable options in Victoria for these games to take place

The argument is that apart from the revenue it generates, there's no strategic reasoning behind playing in Tasmania any longer.

Ummm... so every argument you are putting forward is obliterated by that "apart from" in the last line. Of course this is about the money. It has always been about the money. And it will continue to be about the money until the money dries up.

 

[BoomerRoo]

 

[Only Forwards]

Tassie are not interested in North games anymore if you look at the declining crowds, just watch and see how many are turning up in a few years time.

I don’t think that you can look at where we have been in the last 3 years in isolation.

There were games this year where there was a legitimate fear of a sub 10k Melbourne crowd. There is absolutely every chance that come 2024 we are an emerging young side that is exciting to watch.

So while sure the diminished crowds indicate a turn away from North, Tasmania is not an island in that regard.

As is said time will tell.

I think the AFL actually doesn't want a team in Tasmania, but to appease the Tasmanian people, they have agreed to a team, subject to a new $750m Stadium being built. Switched around that reads as, no stadium, then no team.

Huge hurdle for a small population to overcome. I’ve posted in depth in this thread about the costing hurdle of a new stadium. $750m for a stadium that services a city of 200k.

 

[gokangas]

Pies take on Tassie's future is interesting.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-president-jeff-browne-opens-up-on-the-tassie-licence-and-the-pies-ceo-search/news-story/fc5a71bd66bbb06d68f719299e2d9b21

 

[Sillygit]

Tasmania is not an island in that regard.

 

[hilly]

Club likes this no doubt.

I hope we start with an exit plan now though, sick of it. I'll also be sticking to my boycott of Hobart games for now.

Wasn't that cited as one of the reason Jen Watt got up as CEO?

 

[hilly]

Pies take on Tassie's future is interesting.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-president-jeff-browne-opens-up-on-the-tassie-licence-and-the-pies-ceo-search/news-story/fc5a71bd66bbb06d68f719299e2d9b21

Loves a bit of self-interest Jeff.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Unless the Tassie government commits to pouring in millions for ever I cannot see a Tassie side ever being financial viable. The Giants and Gold Coast are much better prospects in this regard but understand I am not saying they will ever make a profit.

Being an old Roys supporter can I say that anything that allows North to stay in the black I am on board one hundred percent. We are safe when we are not in debt.

Please feel free to dislike this bit but our side is so poor at the moment that forfeiting games to Tassie doesn't worry me very much. I live in Docklands so walking to our Melbourne home games or watching a Tassie game on the TV is much of a muchness.

Make profits and the rest of the AFL can go get ....

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Took the easy money option again.

Melbourne members continue to get dicked.

Top marks.

 

[tazaa]

Remember when we knocked back the Gold Coast. We played home games up there to abysmal crowds.
We then tossed it altogether and the AFL made a deal with other clubs to play home games up there.

Not too sure this will be similar but who knows. Spirit of Tasmania no longer leaves from Port Melbourne either.
The move to Geelong doesnt make sense.
60 minute drive to Eastern Beach, dock at Devenport and drive 3 hours down to Hobart?

 

[Dan]

Hope that ship sinks too.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Remember when we knocked back the Gold Coast. We played home games up there to abysmal crowds.
We then tossed it altogether and the AFL made a deal with other clubs to play home games up there.

Not too sure this will be similar but who knows. Spirit of Tasmania no longer leaves from Port Melbourne either.
The move to Geelong doesnt make sense.
60 minute drive to Eastern Beach, dock at Devenport and drive 3 hours down to Hobart?

I think you're missing the point. The sponsorship doesn't expect to make all the money back on football game visits. It's about promoting the service for visitors year round.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Took the easy money option again.

Melbourne members continue to get dicked.

Top marks.

These Melbourne members?

Sunday, 27 March (1:10 pm)

North Melbourne 10.14 (74)​

def.

West Coast 8.11 (59)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 14,204)

Saturday, 21 May (4:35 pm)

North Melbourne 8.5 (53)​

def. by

Narrm 14.16 (100)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 13,422)

Sunday, 12 June (3:20 pm)

North Melbourne 7.11 (53)​

def. by

Greater Western Sydney 15.12 (102)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 13,742)

Saturday, 20 August (2:10 pm)

North Melbourne 6.11 (47)​

def. by

Gold Coast 16.18 (114)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 14,196)

Or the ones who didn't turn up?

 

[shinboner magic]

Thought someone posted a whole back that we’d be out after 2023

 

[FlyHigh18]

We are better off putting additional resources and effort into growing our membership base in Victoria.

VIC is at peak, there are no more supporters to gain. Only through immigration which is very slow and we already have a foot in via Huddle.

Easiest way to increase memberships is interstate and more supporters. Finals also helps but only a temporary boost.

Best way to increase supporters is the old fashioned way, consistent wins over a long period.

Clarko now looking at another option… international.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

These Melbourne members?

Sunday, 27 March (1:10 pm)

North Melbourne 10.14 (74)​

def.

West Coast 8.11 (59)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 14,204)

Saturday, 21 May (4:35 pm)

North Melbourne 8.5 (53)​

def. by

Narrm 14.16 (100)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 13,422)

Sunday, 12 June (3:20 pm)

North Melbourne 7.11 (53)​

def. by

Greater Western Sydney 15.12 (102)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 13,742)

Saturday, 20 August (2:10 pm)

North Melbourne 6.11 (47)​

def. by

Gold Coast 16.18 (114)

Marvel Stadium (crowd: 14,196)

Or the ones who didn't turn up?

Yeah, those members, who if they stopped attending, the club would cease to exist.

Also, selecting games in a year where we were beyond putrid as evidence.

Three of which are against interstate sides.

Solid.

There is no reason to continue with games in Tasmania.

 

[Quivorir]

international.

Get ****ed to this idea too.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Yeah, those members, who if they stopped attending, the club would cease to exist.

Also, selecting games in a year where we were beyond putrid as evidence.

Three of which are against interstate sides.

Solid.

There is no reason to continue with games in Tasmania.

You know damn well that there is a reason to continue with games in Tasmania. You're not a stupid man.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

I don’t think that you can look at where we have been in the last 3 years in isolation.

There were games this year where there was a legitimate fear of a sub 10k Melbourne crowd. There is absolutely every chance that come 2024 we are an emerging young side that is exciting to watch.

So while sure the diminished crowds indicate a turn away from North, Tasmania is not an island in that regard.

As is said time will tell.



Huge hurdle for a small population to overcome. I’ve posted in depth in this thread about the costing hurdle of a new stadium. $750m for a stadium that services a city of 200k.

251000 in the most recent population for Hobart but I definitely agree it will be hard in a market of that size but not impossible.