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Butler and Brockman are both athletic freaks, it's really only just the beginning for them at this point.

Very different players at this stage, but to quote Jordan... the ceiling is the roof for them!
Is brockman really an athletic freak? love his game but never struck me as super athletic.
 
From CJ “hard and physical footy”, just what I wanted to hear, the unsociable hawks are coming back
Ken oath am loving it too. Looks like a few players might be overstepping the mark but that will help them discover how to play on the edge.
 
Sorry I’m gonna say it - love the endeavour but didn’t need the fend off only to cough the ball up. Great first step but then burst 5 and get clean hands to advantage.


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He gets the hands off to a teammate and draws a player though… so that’s alright.
 
And that is the difference. This List has a long, long way to go. But, it is getting there. Come back in three years.
Once again, I don't think a threepeat team and one of the best sides of all time is the minimum requirement for a flag. We'll probably never have a forward line with 3 smalls the quality of Cyril, Breust and Poppy again.
 
Once again, I don't think a threepeat team and one of the best sides of all time is the minimum requirement for a flag. We'll probably never have a forward line with 3 smalls the quality of Cyril, Breust and Poppy again.
I don’t disagree, but if we are going to get any where near a premiership we are going to have to find at least two quality with xfactor smalls. Don’t forget we are losing Bruest in two years.
Our forward line is a substantial, substantial work in progress, from KPF’s to smalls. There is very significant work to be done.

The backline is almost there, we are clearly serious about getting the mids right, give it two years, but it says we have so much to do about the forwards. So much !!!
 
I don’t disagree, but if we are going to get any where near a premiership we are going to have to find at least two quality with xfactor smalls. Don’t forget we are losing Bruest in two years.
Our forward line is a substantial, substantial work in progress, from KPF’s to smalls. There is very significant work to be done.

The backline is almost there, we are clearly serious about getting the mids right, give it two years, but it says we have so much to do about the forwards. So much !!!
Brockman, Butler, Moore have the talent to be those players. Looking forward to them proving it.
 
Yeah right. Bit strange to me. Unless you’re in someone’s head you don’t know how and what they think. I’ve played sport along side people that are overly expressive in what they do and people that don’t show it externally.

Both kinds or people are trying their guts out and compete as hard as each other. Seems a lot of people jump to conclusions about this with Jeka.
People can only look at his output. He was looking good two years ago in the VFL and then fell away last year. Everyone agrees that he has talent to burn. Either they are wrong about the talent or there is another reason. You can choose which one you want to go with.

And feel free to go have a look at my posts on him when he was drafted, was very keen. I WANT him to make it but I can't make him make it. Only he can.
 

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I don’t disagree, but if we are going to get any where near a premiership we are going to have to find at least two quality with xfactor smalls. Don’t forget we are losing Bruest in two years.
Our forward line is a substantial, substantial work in progress, from KPF’s to smalls. There is very significant work to be done.

The backline is almost there, we are clearly serious about getting the mids right, give it two years, but it says we have so much to do about the forwards. So much !!!
Things going well I think Bruest can play longer than that if he wants
 
I think that’s an over stretch. Fairytale really. Let’s get back to September first. That’s at least 2 years away
We should be pushing for next year.
Might not win but would be mad not to aspire for a deep run into finals in 2024.
 
Once again, I don't think a threepeat team and one of the best sides of all time is the minimum requirement for a flag. We'll probably never have a forward line with 3 smalls the quality of Cyril, Breust and Poppy again.
7 flags have since been won by sides inferior to that one and many before it.

Compare our forward line to Geelong and Melbourne's and we have lots of catching up to do but our guys are just getting started while most of theirs are in their peak or slowing down.
 
Butler and Brockman are both athletic freaks, it's really only just the beginning for them at this point.

Very different players at this stage, but to quote Jordan... the ceiling is the roof for them!

Brockman is not your typical small forward. He plays similar to Mark Williams, Mark LeCras and Jamie Elliot. He is very good at getting separation against his opponent and taking marks on the lead. He’s also a strong mark overhead. Hopefully he’s in the frame to play Round 1.
 
I don’t disagree, but if we are going to get any where near a premiership we are going to have to find at least two quality with xfactor smalls. Don’t forget we are losing Bruest in two years.
Our forward line is a substantial, substantial work in progress, from KPF’s to smalls. There is very significant work to be done.

The backline is almost there, we are clearly serious about getting the mids right, give it two years, but it says we have so much to do about the forwards. So much !!!
Others have stated this but I want to emphasise it. DGB’s known characteristics translate really well for him as a fwd.
1= He fearlessly goes for a mark and usually takes it. 2= he reads the ball well. 3= He fearlessly goes for a mark and usually takes it!!! This matters.

In his draft year DGB was a defender. His tenacity and commitment to winning the ball made him a nightmare match up for most fwds. Hence his high draft position. He would beat them for the mark.
But in the years before he was also as effective as a fwd.

The Hawks backline looks good without him. He is not a rebounding backman... instead he is a shutdown backman without the bulk needed to do the job on the bigger guys. For now, he is not needed down back.

DGB as a swingman.… Now that is something to develop. Ask Denver if he wants to kick some goals …. What do you think his answer will be?

DGB is like TOB, But where TOB was “almost”, DGB will be ”achieved”.
 
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Brockman is not your typical small forward. He plays similar to Mark Williams, Mark LeCras and Jamie Elliot. He is very good at getting separation against his opponent and taking marks on the lead. He’s also a strong mark overhead. Hopefully he’s in the frame to play Round 1.

Watching Williams play midfield minutes in the 2008 GF, along with that Dew back and forth goal are two of my favorite memories from that game.

Brockman definitely looks to have that level of talent - a real mixture of those players you mention as well - but he's more fluent than Williams was up the ground. If he sticks around I'd bet we'll start to see him in there at some stage.


Someone on here rated him at Chai Bolton level in terms of ability and level of comfort up the ground a while back. There's a few passages of play from his first year where you just felt he was very comfortable in traffic up the ground playing like a midfielder too.
 
Others have stated this but I want to emphasise it. DGB’s known characteristics translate really well for him as a fwd.
1= He fearlessly goes for a mark and usually takes it. 2= he reads the ball well. 3= He fearlessly goes for a mark and usually takes it!!! This matters.

In his draft year DGB was a defender. His tenacity and commitment to winning the ball made him a nightmare match up for most fwds. Hence his high draft position. He would beat them for the mark.
But in the years before he was also an effective as a fwd.

The Hawks backline looks good without him. He is not a rebounding backman... instead he is a shutdown backman without the bulk needed to do the job on the bigger guys. For now, he is not needed down back.

DGB as a swingman. Now that is something to develop. Ask Denver if he wants to kick some goals …. What do you think his answer will be?

DGB is like TOB, But where TOB was “almost”, DGB will be ”achieved”.
The issue is we have to try all our resources that the current List has. If there are blokes like DGB, Frost, Scrim, even Imps together with the aforementioned four small forwards plus Serong, just do it. Find out.

I am also an advocate for trying Dimma further up the ground.
 
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