Autopsy Official Practice Match: Sydney v Carlton, Blacktown Int Sports Park, Friday 3rd March 7.10pm AEDT

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Part of me is low-key hoping that this year will be the year we're hit with injuries, if it's gonna happen at all.

I know it goes against the party line of "we can do it, f**k history", but I do think there's some merit to the post-GF-thrashing slump, and we'll be far better off in 2024 without that cloud lingering over us. So I'd rather cop injuries this year than next.
 

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Part of me is low-key hoping that this year will be the year we're hit with injuries, if it's gonna happen at all.

I know it goes against the party line of "we can do it, f**k history", but I do think there's some merit to the post-GF-thrashing slump, and we'll be far better off in 2024 without that cloud lingering over us. So I'd rather cop injuries this year than next.
At the local level, my club made it to the GF last season and got thrashed (very similar to Swans GF) in our worst performance of the season. This pre-season has seen our worst player turnout in years and we have lost a number of our best players. One ex-AFL player retired straight away and our other ex-AFL player was poached. A number of players have also gone to rival clubs for more money (as happens most years anyway) which means we are going to struggle this year.

I say this because the playing group has obviously been emotionally effected by being so invested in a season, only to be destroyed in the last game of the year. It just looks obvious at the moment. Now, I expect the Swans to be different, as they are all professional (and have contracts), have incredible support structures around them and are more resilient, HOWEVER this emotional apathy is a normal human reaction to trauma and every player deals with it differently because every person is different. There is no right or wrong with how they process it and I am sure they will be guided along the way, but an emotional reaction is normal - even this far from the event.

This is all to say that I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of intensity was to arise from time to time this season and I am not surprised by what history tells us about teams in our position.
 
At the local level, my club made it to the GF last season and got thrashed (very similar to Swans GF) in our worst performance of the season. This pre-season has seen our worst player turnout in years and we have lost a number of our best players. One ex-AFL player retired straight away and our other ex-AFL player was poached. A number of players have also gone to rival clubs for more money (as happens most years anyway) which means we are going to struggle this year.

I say this because the playing group has obviously been emotionally effected by being so invested in a season, only to be destroyed in the last game of the year. It just looks obvious at the moment. Now, I expect the Swans to be different, as they are all professional (and have contracts), have incredible support structures around them and are more resilient, HOWEVER this emotional apathy is a normal human reaction to trauma and every player deals with it differently because every person is different. There is no right or wrong with how they process it and I am sure they will be guided along the way, but an emotional reaction is normal - even this far from the event.

This is all to say that I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of intensity was to arise from time to time this season and I am not surprised by what history tells us about teams in our position.
I am a naturally positive person. I see the positives in the negatives. Russia's invasions of Ukraine may result in the defeat of the Russian army, the dismissal of Putin and intimately the dissolution of many of the Russian areas. More division of Russia into smaller parts and so less threats to the world over time. Smaller country smaller threat over time. A positive.
Back to football. We had the most positive home and away season since 2014. 2014 was a magic season. Everything went right until grand final day. We still got back in 2016. It showed we had resilience.
2022 was indeed a season of growth. I digress to highlight epic games. The games against Geelong(Buddy's 1000 goals) and Melbourne(reigning premiers) were just epic. Grand Final like. Young players standing up in those games against the best teams and triumphing was transformational to them as players. Players went to new levels. Rowbottom, Warner, and Gulden in the midfield have progressed to the stage where they can greatly influence games.
The defence of Sydney has always been crucial to our success too. The two Macs in the talls area (one players was drafted as a KPF, the other was rookied as a former KPF) have greatly added to the stability and resilience to the area. The growth and maturity in Fox's game and the reliability of Lloyd just makes our defence one of the best. This allows weapons like Blakey and McInerney (when played there) to explode from the back half and deliver fast ball to the forwards.

I highlighted a major portion of your last sentence because I think it has a chance of about 2%. Even negative. I think the loss is even a positive. Read my first sentence.

The fact that a young team CAN get to a grand final with influential players in that team under the age of 23 is incredible. I highlighted Rowbottom, Warner and Gulden above. Add to that T McCartin, Stephens, McDonald, Campbell. This must greatly inspire and motivate younger recruits in Sheldrick, Roberts Warner jnr, Rankin, Konstanty, Magor, Mitchell etc. I think the players on the fringe will be eyeing off getting into the team and being part the the future success. The grand final loss, though traumatic, is a spur. That is how I see it. This is a young team. Not an old team. Disappointment and lack of grand final success can spur greater effort. Competition for spots will be fierce and be reflected in increased training levels for those not guaranteed spots.

I see more positives, ongoing, than negatives from the 2022 grand final loss.
 
At the local level, my club made it to the GF last season and got thrashed (very similar to Swans GF) in our worst performance of the season. This pre-season has seen our worst player turnout in years and we have lost a number of our best players. One ex-AFL player retired straight away and our other ex-AFL player was poached. A number of players have also gone to rival clubs for more money (as happens most years anyway) which means we are going to struggle this year.

I say this because the playing group has obviously been emotionally effected by being so invested in a season, only to be destroyed in the last game of the year. It just looks obvious at the moment. Now, I expect the Swans to be different, as they are all professional (and have contracts), have incredible support structures around them and are more resilient, HOWEVER this emotional apathy is a normal human reaction to trauma and every player deals with it differently because every person is different. There is no right or wrong with how they process it and I am sure they will be guided along the way, but an emotional reaction is normal - even this far from the event.

This is all to say that I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of intensity was to arise from time to time this season and I am not surprised by what history tells us about teams in our position.
I certainly think we can buck the trend of completely falling apart after a GF thrashing. I'm still backing us in to make the eight and maybe even top four, because Horse has shown he can do this with a team before (2015, when we made top 4 after the 2014 thrashing.) I also think we're not quite the same as recent grand final victims like GWS and the Bulldogs, who snuck into their grand finals from outside the top four, suggesting the quality of performance over the season wasn't there in the first place; we finished equal 2nd and spent basically the last two months of the season looking like arguably the best team in it. So the ability was there, and should still be there.

But yeah there's obviously some very real merit to the so-called 'curse' or teams simply wouldn't have been so derailed in the aftermath of their GF beltings. All the reasons you mentioned would apply to us, and it's a variable that only we will be dealing with while 17 other clubs won't have to.

I know it's considered blasphemous to suggest our team won't win the flag this year, but they're hard to win. As a club we've enjoyed five seasons in which we've won the flag and 143 seasons in which we haven't. So it shouldn't be as taboo as it is to say 'I don't think this will be our season.'

Nevertheless, really looking forward to it. I've had my eye on a 2024 flag for a few years now, so hopefully when that flag comes, it'll be a back-to-back! ;)
 
Team (as per AFL.com)
SYDNEY

B:
D.Rampe 24 T.McCartin 30 O.Florent 13
HB: J.Lloyd 44 P.McCartin 39 J.McInerney 27
C: H.Cunningham 7 C.Warner 1 D.Stephens 3
HF: W.Hayward 9 S.Reid 20 L.McDonald 6
F: I.Heeney 5 L.Franklin 23 E.Gulden 21
Foll: P.Ladhams 19 J.Rowbottom 8 L.Parker - C 26
I/C: N.Blakey 22 B.Campbell 16 M.Roberts 34 H.McLean 2 A.Sheldrick 29 L.Rankin 41 W.Edwards 28 L.McAndrew 46

Emerg: C.Mitchell 35 H.Hall-Kahan 45 C.Warner 37 A.Francis 10

Notable absentees: Callum Mills, Tom Hickey, Tom Papley, Robbie Fox, Jacob Konstanty, Ryan Clarke, Aaron Francis

Also missing; Wicks, Gould, Amartey, Melican, Sheather, Vickery, Magor & Owen.
Not sure how many would have been available but nonetheless disappointing that the reserves game has been called off (by Carlton).
 
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Francis and Corey got minutes last week. Definitely interesting to see Rankin get time. Might run Edwards in defence this game.
Yes, Edwards can play down back and that's where I prefer he plays but let's see how he goes against the Blues.
 
Even with the 8 man bench, we usually use only 4 of the interchange players for most of the game. And bring the other 4 on later in the game.

I am guessing we will use Blakey, Campbell, Roberts and Sheldrick initially.

Then maybe McLean replaces Franklin, McAndrew for Ladhams, Rankin for Blakey and Edwards possibly for Reid.
 

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Rankin for Blakey is an intriguing suggestion - particularly if Blakey isn't right to go for round 1. Do you think Blakey will be ready for Round 1 given his minutes are still being managed?
 
Even with the 8 man bench, we usually use only 4 of the interchange players for most of the game. And bring the other 4 on later in the game.

I am guessing we will use Blakey, Campbell, Roberts and Sheldrick initially.

Then maybe McLean replaces Franklin, McAndrew for Ladhams, Rankin for Blakey and Edwards possibly for Reid.
Top call.
 
Wow, still looks like a pretty strong lineup despite the outs

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If for some reason Rankin tags a certain Blues mid, I hope you'll be ok.

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At the local level, my club made it to the GF last season and got thrashed (very similar to Swans GF) in our worst performance of the season. This pre-season has seen our worst player turnout in years and we have lost a number of our best players. One ex-AFL player retired straight away and our other ex-AFL player was poached. A number of players have also gone to rival clubs for more money (as happens most years anyway) which means we are going to struggle this year.

I say this because the playing group has obviously been emotionally effected by being so invested in a season, only to be destroyed in the last game of the year. It just looks obvious at the moment. Now, I expect the Swans to be different, as they are all professional (and have contracts), have incredible support structures around them and are more resilient, HOWEVER this emotional apathy is a normal human reaction to trauma and every player deals with it differently because every person is different. There is no right or wrong with how they process it and I am sure they will be guided along the way, but an emotional reaction is normal - even this far from the event.

This is all to say that I wouldn't be surprised if a lack of intensity was to arise from time to time this season and I am not surprised by what history tells us about teams in our position.
If you look at most of the teams that were flogged in the GF they were not in an upward trend they actually trended downward not only the season after but for several seasons while they rebuilt the list. Lions, Pies, Adelaide, GWS, Port & Dees all had rebuilds or the trauma of losing experienced players that set them back. The ones who made finals next season were still in the zone or just zoning off. Bullies are still in contention and Swans played in a GF in 2016 after being knocked out of the Semis in 2015.
 
If you look at most of the teams that were flogged in the GF they were not in an upward trend they actually trended downward not only the season after but for several seasons while they rebuilt the list. Lions, Pies, Adelaide, GWS, Port & Dees all had rebuilds or the trauma of losing experienced players that set them back. The ones who made finals next season were still in the zone or just zoning off. Bullies are still in contention and Swans played in a GF in 2016 after being knocked out of the Semis in 2015.
After 2014, we made top 4 in 2015. If Horse hadn't smashed a mirror over a black cat while standing under a ladder, and the resulting injury horrorshow, I think we'd have beaten Freo in Week 1 and gotten a home prelim at least (against the Hawks though).
 
I certainly think we can buck the trend of completely falling apart after a GF thrashing. I'm still backing us in to make the eight and maybe even top four, because Horse has shown he can do this with a team before (2015, when we made top 4 after the 2014 thrashing.) I also think we're not quite the same as recent grand final victims like GWS and the Bulldogs, who snuck into their grand finals from outside the top four, suggesting the quality of performance over the season wasn't there in the first place; we finished equal 2nd and spent basically the last two months of the season looking like arguably the best team in it. So the ability was there, and should still be there.

But yeah there's obviously some very real merit to the so-called 'curse' or teams simply wouldn't have been so derailed in the aftermath of their GF beltings. All the reasons you mentioned would apply to us, and it's a variable that only we will be dealing with while 17 other clubs won't have to.

I know it's considered blasphemous to suggest our team won't win the flag this year, but they're hard to win. As a club we've enjoyed five seasons in which we've won the flag and 143 seasons in which we haven't. So it shouldn't be as taboo as it is to say 'I don't think this will be our season.'

Nevertheless, really looking forward to it. I've had my eye on a 2024 flag for a few years now, so hopefully when that flag comes, it'll be a back-to-back! ;)
Most of the clubs that fell away after a GF thrashing were on their last chance or lost players the next few seasons that affected a rebuild. See GWS, Port, Lions, Crows, Saints & Dees (not these Dees). GWs bled good players for salary cap reasons. It astounds me that many clubs suffer under Salary Cap constraints but I keep hearing Cats players take a lower wage to win a premiership. That's absolute bullshit. What they do is get a supporter to buy Hawkins' wife a business. you bet Danger, Cameron, Smith etc are on similar deal with other supporters. This is not illegal but it is devious. They have the capacity to do this but many clubs like Swans, GWS, Lions, Suns, Saints, North, Bullies etc probably don't.

The Northern teams definitely don't. This is because of market conditions. In the Northern states AFL is not the main game, NRL is. The WA & SA teams have a great capacity to do this too but don't seem to take advantage of the loophole.
 
Most of the clubs that fell away after a GF thrashing were on their last chance or lost players the next few seasons that affected a rebuild. See GWS, Port, Lions, Crows, Saints & Dees (not these Dees). GWs bled good players for salary cap reasons. It astounds me that many clubs suffer under Salary Cap constraints but I keep hearing Cats players take a lower wage to win a premiership. That's absolute bullshit. What they do is get a supporter to buy Hawkins' wife a business. you bet Danger, Cameron, Smith etc are on similar deal with other supporters. This is not illegal but it is devious. They have the capacity to do this but many clubs like Swans, GWS, Lions, Suns, Saints, North, Bullies etc probably don't.

The Northern teams definitely don't. This is because of market conditions. In the Northern states AFL is not the main game, NRL is. The WA & SA teams have a great capacity to do this too but don't seem to take advantage of the loophole.
Port were a fairly young side in 07, had lost a lot of '04 winners. Crows and GWS weren't at the end of their window either, really should have been at the start. The Crows imploded, throwing that surprise camp, and GWS probably didn't have much of a club culture anyway.

I think we're resourced and managed well enough not to have any of those clubs implosions happen to us.
 
After 2014, we made top 4 in 2015. If Horse hadn't smashed a mirror over a black cat while standing under a ladder, and the resulting injury horrorshow, I think we'd have beaten Freo in Week 1 and gotten a home prelim at least (against the Hawks though).
I already said that. In 2015 we played too many injured players in that final anyway. Yes, we had a bad injury toll but chose to play injured players over fit ones. If we had not kicked so badly in the QF we might have been good. But having to front up the next week with a big injury toll took it's toll. Buddy has mental health issues did not play either.
 
Port were a fairly young side in 07, had lost a lot of '04 winners. Crows and GWS weren't at the end of their window either, really should have been at the start. The Crows imploded, throwing that surprise camp, and GWS probably didn't have much of a club culture anyway.

I think we're resourced and managed well enough not to have any of those clubs implosions happen to us.
I think Port still had players coming to the end. GWS were at the end because they kept bleeding players due to the salary cap. They kept getting younger. That is a rebuild they did not want as players fled back to Victoria. They have become the development team of the AFL.

Crows did implode and once that happened their window was gone. They lost players as well. Many players ended up back in Vic leaving them in the position they are now.

Port had 9 players over 28 but not many in the 25-6 age bracket. They were either really old or really young. Brogan, Chad Cornes and Giles ended up at GWS. Shaun Burgoyne ended up at Hawks. Daniel Pearce ended up at Freo. Nathan Krakouer went to Suns then returned in 2017 but injury was his problem. But they had far too many player on the list that just didn't make it. In fact 14 players on that list played less than 25 games.
 

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