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fnerd said:
Yea doubt even sturts most ardent supporters would say his efforts always been where it needs to be .

Again tho baileys main selection criteria seems to only be “effort” based
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The output was similar when both in the team so I don't know what the separator is. Possibly that BB can apparently play multiple roles.
 
WilloTree said:
Another thing this whole conversation illustrates is how badly we've neglected our front half in the rebuild. The fact that we only used any decent draft currency on Sturt and Amiss in the front half is pretty insane. To put that in perspective, we just let a Pick 7 best 22 defender walk out.
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Said/implied it in a post in another thread, but a big part of what set the rebuild back is the fact that the 2016 draft pool didn't feature any obvious A class forwards at all, let alone any that were generally considered top 10 worthy. Only 6 out of the top 25 goal scorers from that draft going at more than 1 goal a game:

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Hayward at pick 21 is hardly a KPF. Larkey at 73 was obviously on no one's radar. Likewise Lewis at 76. Marshall at 16 you could maybe make a case that we could/should have picked him; I don't know because I don't follow other teams' players that closely, but I have a vague sense that he was bagged for years and only recently come good? Hindsight would say we should have found a way to get Bolton, but he is again another shorty, not the KPF around which we could build the forward line. English was always a ruck.

Same list ordered by height:

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Joao said:
I beleive the difference in treatment is down to the difference in effort.

The fact there is a significant difference in intensity from Sturt this year tells you he wasn't giving you everything before. Banfield has been the same player for years.

Once Sturt learns that max effort is non-negotiable (as Banners long has known), he'll fly past Banners on talent.
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Joao said:
TBF, I am not sure most teams have plan B - you wouldn't work on a plan B until you can execute plan A with your eyes closed.

Think Cats are the only ones I can remember that can actually change gamestyle to suit, and they are historically old.
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Yes, I see this in real life too with people concluding that something doesn't work before giving it a proper go.
 
AstonSouffle said:
Y'know - Schultz was bang on average at the beginning (couldn't make the distance from 30m out bad), exceedingly so in fact and he got a better run at it than Sturt has.
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Schultz always had an amazing workrate. Sturt can disappear for long periods of the game. Coaches tend to really value effort even if its just perceived.
 
Freomaniac said:
Well....

We all know that if Lachie Schulz can play a full season, he can kick 30 goals in a season.

I am sure if Sam Sturt is given a full injury free season, he can do the same
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The overrating of Sturt is a bit nuts. He plays a lot like Amiss but he doesn’t have the size to play that role at AFL. No doubt he may kick 20-30 but he’s not a key position player in the afl, he would kick those 20-30 goals at the expense of Amiss kicking those same goals, who would return 25-35 goals, and when Amiss is 22-23 years old he would probably return 40-50 goals. Sturt needs to invent himself as a running HFF. He doesn’t have the tank yet, this is the first year I’ve thought he might get that tank. His running has come a long way, but isn’t quite there yet.
 
rgauci said:
The overrating of Sturt is a bit nuts. He plays a lot like Amiss but he doesn’t have the size to play that role at AFL. No doubt he may kick 20-30 but he’s not a key position player in the afl, he would kick those 20-30 goals at the expense of Amiss kicking those same goals, who would return 25-35 goals, and when Amiss is 22-23 years old he would probably return 40-50 goals. Sturt needs to invent himself as a running HFF. He doesn’t have the tank yet, this is the first year I’ve thought he might get that tank. His running has come a long way, but isn’t quite there yet.
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"Overrating/underrating" as a measurement scale is pretty massive on the subjective factor, with heavy doses of generalising. What we have seen is that Sturt has some handy weapons and has shown footy/forward smarts. I think a lot of people are excited by the level of his potential ceiling, which, for possibly variable reasons, he hasn't got to yet.
 
rgauci said:
The overrating of Sturt is a bit nuts. He plays a lot like Amiss but he doesn’t have the size to play that role at AFL. No doubt he may kick 20-30 but he’s not a key position player in the afl, he would kick those 20-30 goals at the expense of Amiss kicking those same goals, who would return 25-35 goals, and when Amiss is 22-23 years old he would probably return 40-50 goals. Sturt needs to invent himself as a running HFF. He doesn’t have the tank yet, this is the first year I’ve thought he might get that tank. His running has come a long way, but isn’t quite there yet.
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Sturt as a running half forward flanker could work.

He has had his career hampered due to various factors.

Ross Lyon didn't really give him a game in 2019.

In 2020, we couldn't use the Peel thunder ⚡⚡ side to let him get games. We were in hotels In 2020.

2021 he played mainly in the WAFL. 2022, he had a good pre season game vs peel and got injured
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
Banfield did absolutely nothing today except take cheap easies against a tanking team.

Two years ago he showed so much more and was such an integral part of the core values and place / time / structure of the emerging game plan. He isn't now, and to "yell as loudly when he does well" when he did nothing except accept turnovers created elsewhere, and then gifts from other Freo players, all game long is just ridiculous. So many of the other folks on our list would have had just exactly the same results - if not more - if they were ever given the free passes and selection tickets that Banfield was given.

Hughes did nothing tonight, no need to say more.
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Bicco said:
Bailey was OK tonight. One issue is that his best is what most people would call average. He kicked 2 tonight, good on him, but back tonight's performance up with a few more like that. Then he'll get some recognition. He averages 0.5 goals per game over his career, so statistically he won't score a goal for the next 3 weeks. If he kicks 6 goals in that time, he will be deserving of his spot and some praise.
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Dockeroo said:
Said it before the game even started last night as it was pretty predictable these kind of posts would appear.
Mature players beating up on some state leaguers and kids from hawthorn last night doesnt interest me, when it comes to long term solutions to our issues.
Guys in their mid 20s with several years experience like Hughes, Ryan, Banfield, JOM, Cox etc should 100% be dominating a game like last night.

Look at the last 5 min of the Gold Coast v Melbourne game for an idea of what intense footy looks like. Last night was a training drill by comparison, especially after half time.

If banners goes out in 2 weeks time at Optus and kicks 3 goals and has 17 or 18 touches on Zach Tuohy or Tom Stewart, I’ll be on here with my big boy pants to praise him the minute the final siren sounds.
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SupermanCapes said:
The vitriol isn't disproportionate at all. The key that I think you're missing is that many supporters cringe every time Banfield goes near the ball because the odds that he'll utensil up the chain are much higher than most other players on the list. He over-runs, fumbles, missed handballs and misses kicks far more regularly than anyone else who has been a regular part of our B22. I would take 11 touches from Switta over 30 from Banfield because Switta is clean and makes good decisions while Banfield, typically, has poor disposal. I will caveat this with BB did have a couple of really nice disposals against the Hawks but even then I would argue he's a downhill skier who only seems to play well when we're stomping the opposition.


And what role is that exactly? Fake pressure forward who constantly gets in the way of other leads and often blasts for goal instead of lowering his eyes? Most of us who are frustrated by Banfield's constant selection are frustrated because Sturt is sitting in the wings, fit and ready to show what he can do at AFL level. We know exactly what Banfield's ceiling looks like and it's not great. Sturt could be one of the genuine forwards with silky skills and footy nous that we've been crying out for this past 20 years but we don't know because JL won't *ing play him for more than a game or two at a time. If Sturt ever plays as many games as Banfield this season and we can legitimately say that Banfield impacted those games better than Sturt then I'll stop spitting the dummy whenever he's selected over Sam.
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No shame in admitting when you get it wrong. I'm sure we'd all respect you for putting your hand up and owning it this time.
 
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WilloTree said:
Nah, out-coached Longmire and Sydney in Sydney. First time in 12 years for Freo. Gotta hand it to him.
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I remember when Freo beat Essendon in Docklands last season. Last time we did that was in 2010. David Mundy was the only bloke that played in both 2010 and 2022 sides. So that was 22 blokes that got their 1st wins vs Essendon at docklands under dockers shirts.

Glad Freo beat the swans at the SCG in 2023.

Last time we didn't lose to them was that draw in 2013.

Before that, it was in both 2010 and 2011. And if you look back..

Only one bloke from that team that played in that 2010 and 2011 SCG win vs the swans that played today....

Yep it's Nathan Fyfe. So that's 22 new blokes with a win under their belts. 22 dockers that won at the SCG under dockers colours

I love how we break these long standing away win droughts.

It's even funny that there's like that one bloke that was there from that last win too.
 
Bicco said:
Just watched the replay. He had a good last quarter. His 4 touches to half time is a concern.
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Played well for most of the game (except first quarter along with the rest of the forward line). There's plenty of times he's been found wanting, and I've no doubt there will be times again, but today he played his role extremely well. Touches don't necessarily mean impact.

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Beating Sydney, last year’s grand finalists in Sydney for the first time since 2011? Nice one fella. Kudos for that.

Quite impressive turn around from the first few rounds, looks like we got the hawks at the right time.

Not ready to say he’s going to take us all the way given those first few rounds and quarters but going in the right direction now.
 
Mr Cheese said:
Played well for most of the game (except first quarter along with the rest of the forward line). There's plenty of times he's been found wanting, and I've no doubt there will be times again, but today he played his role extremely well. Touches don't necessarily mean impact.

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Didn't he kick our only goal in the 1st?
 
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