List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

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Trade Period, October 6–18
  • Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
  • Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm
Quiet Period, October 19–November 20
  • Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
  • List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
  • Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
  • Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
  • List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm


Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):
  • Lachie ASH
  • Callan WARD (Free Agent)
  • Brayden PREUSS
  • Tom GREEN
  • Finn CALLAGHAN
  • Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
  • Jake RICCARDI
  • Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
  • Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
  • Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
  • Xavier O'HALLORAN
  • Jack BUCKLEY
  • Callum BROWN
Rookie lists:
  • Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
  • Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
  • Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
  • Cooper HAMILTON
  • Wade DERKSEN
  • Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
  • Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)
Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):
  • main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
  • rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
  • rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
  • total = 44 minus 5
This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAMESURNAMESTATESTATE LEAGUE CLUBCOMMUNITY CLUB
LachlanCaborNSW/ACTSydney Swans AcademyShellharbour
NateCaddyVIC MNorthern KnightsYarrambat
JackCallinanTASTasmania DevilsClarence
CaidenClearyNSW/ACTSydney Swans AcademySydney University
DanielCurtinWAClaremontWest Coast
JackDeleanSASouth AdelaideReynella
ZaneDuursmaVIC CGippsland PowerFoster
MitchellEdwardsWAPeel ThunderSouth Mandurah
WilliamGreenVIC MNorthern KnightsNorthcote
RileyHardemanWASwan DistrictsCaversham
WilliamLorenzVIC MOakleigh ChargersBoroondara Hawks
KaneMcAuliffeSANorth AdelaideCentral Augusta
ColbyMcKercherTASTasmania DevilsLaunceston
AshtonMoirSAGlenelgPlympton
ConnorO'SullivanNSW/ACTMurray BushrangersAlbury
WilliamPattonSAWest AdelaideMitcham
NathanPhilactidesVIC MOakleigh ChargersBlackburn
EthanReadQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyPalm Beach Currumbin
ArcherReidVIC CGippsland PowerInverloch-Kongwak
HarleyReidVIC CBendigo PioneersTongala
ArchieRobertsVIC MSandringham DragonsHampton Rovers
JakeRogersQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyBroadbeach
RyleySandersTASSandringham DragonsNorth Launceston
CooperSimpsonVIC CDandenong StingraysMount Martha
GeorgeStevensVIC CGWV RebelsSouth Warrnambool
KoltynTholstrupWASubiacoNewtown-Condingup
OrlandoTurnerNTWest AdelaideSouth Alice Springs
JedWalterQLDGold Coast Suns AcademyPalm Beach Currumbin
NickWatsonVIC MEastern RangesEast Ringwood
DarcyWilsonVIC CMurray BushrangersWangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list :thumbsu:
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)
 
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How would people feel about Tarryn Thomas on our list?
 
Maximus 2011 said:
Depending on what we have to give up to get him and how much it would cost us in salary?
Thoughts on a role player like Jack Silvagni?
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Silvagni would be an alright B-tek Hogan replacement if we needed one, just a bloke that can compete in the air and get it to ground for our smalls, but he's a flat track bully
 

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Maximus 2011 said:
Depending on what we have to give up to get him and how much it would cost us in salary?
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Be like the Hogan deal and he has 1 year left on his contract so he will have a point to prove next season which would work in our favour for his output next season. Mumford would need to take him in like Hogan as well 🤦‍♂️
 
No to TT and Jack Silvagni.
 
FYSA, the Hawthorn BF board has a supposed ITK who reckons that Nick Haynes' management has agreed to terms to trade to Hawks. They believe it means he comes with a first round pick (honestly, reading their board, they mostly don't give a shit about Nick, just the pick). However, it does seem that GWS agreement hasn't been agreed, according to the ITK.

I'm not saying I believe the story, or that we'll trade a first round pick (clearly, I hope that bit is absolutely not true); but some stories that seem unlikely end up happening during trade week, so just letting folk know. :( If the rumour gets legs, it will get more attention on BF on the D&T board, and potentially posters coming into this thread.
 
Giant Strides said:
FYSA, the Hawthorn BF board has a supposed ITK who reckons that Nick Haynes' management has agreed to terms to trade to Hawks. They believe it means he comes with a first round pick (honestly, reading their board, they mostly don't give a s**t about Nick, just the pick). However, it does seem that GWS agreement hasn't been agreed, according to the ITK.

I'm not saying I believe the story, or that we'll trade a first round pick (clearly, I hope that bit is absolutely not true); but some stories that seem unlikely end up happening during trade week, so just letting folk know. :( If the rumour gets legs, it will get more attention on BF on the D&T board, and potentially posters coming into this thread.
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If that’s true I would think Harry is most likely staying. If Harry is going too that’s a lot of money freed up in the salary cap.
 
Interesting bit from the ‘Ex Giants player watch’ and a post by Melbourne GWS on former GWS and Essendon player selling a house in Melbourne:

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The article found at Carlton North: Ex-Essendon player Devon Smith lists his first home, a terrace house with glass wall - realestate.com.au, states the following:

“Smith said he purchased the Victorian-era single-fronted terrace at 749 Drummond St in 2015, after his manager advised him to invest his money wisely.

“I was only 22 at the time and wanted to buy property in Sydney but the market was ridiculous and I just couldn’t get in,” Smith said.’

Now Smith requested a trade to Essendon and left GWS at the end of the 2017 season. That means that when Smith was attempting to buy into the Sydney market in 2015 but ‘couldn’t get in’ because it was ‘ridiculous’, he still had about two years left with GWS.

Imagine for a minute if he had been able to buy a Sydney property, perhaps he would have been more settled at the club and more invested in a future with it. This is not to say he wasn’t and the lack of a property in his then home city meant all would have been rosy; but those of us with our own home and even family know it settles a man.

Now imagine how better it would be for the club if as many players as possible had their own homes in Sydney.

During last year’s draft our own recruiters openly acknowledged that the ‘go home factor’ as a consideration in their deliberations, an advantaged that the VFL+ clubs have over us also with their father/son rules. I would argue from the above that the advantage for COLA for GWS was not just any difference in the value of purchasing and/or renting a property between Melbourne and Sydney; it was the ability to encourage players to stay and become invested in the community.
 

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Giant Pete said:
If that’s true I would think Harry is most likely staying. If Harry is going too that’s a lot of money freed up in the salary cap.
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Yeah, that's probably my thought too. One or the other.

If we lose HH to FA, then we'd keep Haynes - one more year on high $$ won't hurt our position. You'd then see how he goes next year (another year older, and I think Haynes would be quite realistic about his skills and athleticism dropping off) while having Cam Fleeton and Leek Aleer able to step into the intercepting role.

If HH has agreed to stay, and AK has decided to play him down back, then there's too much $ tied up in both HH & Nick, competing for one spot.

I don't see why we'd ship Nick off if we knew we were losing HH. That would be a tonne of $$ freed up, suddenly we're short of a reliable interceptor. Haynes has been back to good form this year, so it's not specifically form-related, other than, we've swapped someone else into that same role who can also play there to a high degree.

Anyway, it's all speculation. We'll see in a few months how it plays out in reality.
 
Giant Strides said:
Yeah, that's probably my thought too. One or the other.

If we lose HH to FA, then we'd keep Haynes - one more year on high $$ won't hurt our position. You'd then see how he goes next year (another year older, and I think Haynes would be quite realistic about his skills and athleticism dropping off) while having Cam Fleeton and Leek Aleer able to step into the intercepting role.

If HH has agreed to stay, and AK has decided to play him down back, then there's too much $ tied up in both HH & Nick, competing for one spot.

I don't see why we'd ship Nick off if we knew we were losing HH. That would be a tonne of $$ freed up, suddenly we're short of a reliable interceptor. Haynes has been back to good form this year, so it's not specifically form-related, other than, we've swapped someone else into that same role who can also play there to a high degree.

Anyway, it's all speculation. We'll see in a few months how it plays out in reality.
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That all makes sense to me.
The deal also had their Future first coming back btw so I wouldn't be tooooo worried as I'm sure Hawthorn would be freaked out by that risk.
 
Giant Strides said:
FYSA, the Hawthorn BF board has a supposed ITK who reckons that Nick Haynes' management has agreed to terms to trade to Hawks. They believe it means he comes with a first round pick (honestly, reading their board, they mostly don't give a s**t about Nick, just the pick). However, it does seem that GWS agreement hasn't been agreed, according to the ITK.

I'm not saying I believe the story, or that we'll trade a first round pick (clearly, I hope that bit is absolutely not true); but some stories that seem unlikely end up happening during trade week, so just letting folk know. :( If the rumour gets legs, it will get more attention on BF on the D&T board, and potentially posters coming into this thread.
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That seems like completely wishful thinking.
If it was reported that someone ITK reported this trade to a club other than their own I'd give it some thought.
Haynes may move, but doubt it, we won't be giving up a pick for him to go .
 
PaythePerryman said:
The deal also had their Future first coming back btw so I wouldn't be tooooo worried as I'm sure Hawthorn would be freaked out by that risk.
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The versions that I've seen (and admittedly, there are a multitude of scenarios across multiple boards, all in favour of their team) have not involved Hawks' future first round coming back - mostly, posters have that planned to get Suns' first round pick so it's not "wasted" matching Walter. The best I've seen it's Hawks' second round pick (around #33 currently) coming back to us, but mostly worse than that. Or including Jake Riccardi in the trade.

I'm not worried, I never get worried in advance, just pissed off if we do something I think is stupid once it's happened.

GWS Goose said:
That seems like completely wishful thinking.
If it was reported that someone ITK reported this trade to a club other than their own I'd give it some thought.
Haynes may move, but doubt it, we won't be giving up a pick for him to go.
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Well, certainly at this point in time it's all wishful thinking. The problem is if wishes come to fruition.

As I said, just passing on a rumour. I don't do that for everything I see around BF, but this one aligns to what has been discussed recently.
 
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Brave New World said:
Interesting bit from the ‘Ex Giants player watch’ and a post by Melbourne GWS on former GWS and Essendon player selling a house in Melbourne:

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The article found at Carlton North: Ex-Essendon player Devon Smith lists his first home, a terrace house with glass wall - realestate.com.au, states the following:

“Smith said he purchased the Victorian-era single-fronted terrace at 749 Drummond St in 2015, after his manager advised him to invest his money wisely.

“I was only 22 at the time and wanted to buy property in Sydney but the market was ridiculous and I just couldn’t get in,” Smith said.’

Now Smith requested a trade to Essendon and left GWS at the end of the 2017 season. That means that when Smith was attempting to buy into the Sydney market in 2015 but ‘couldn’t get in’ because it was ‘ridiculous’, he still had about two years left with GWS.

Imagine for a minute if he had been able to buy a Sydney property, perhaps he would have been more settled at the club and more invested in a future with it. This is not to say he wasn’t and the lack of a property in his then home city meant all would have been rosy; but those of us with our own home and even family know it settles a man.

Now imagine how better it would be for the club if as many players as possible had their own homes in Sydney.

During last year’s draft our own recruiters openly acknowledged that the ‘go home factor’ as a consideration in their deliberations, an advantaged that the VFL+ clubs have over us also with their father/son rules. I would argue from the above that the advantage for COLA for GWS was not just any difference in the value of purchasing and/or renting a property between Melbourne and Sydney; it was the ability to encourage players to stay and become invested in the community.
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Good points but Smith was such a selfish tool. He had the attributes to be exactly what our team needed, a skilful defensive pressure small forward.

However he was too selfish and our coach was unable to get him to adjust his mindset. By the time he went to Essendon it was too late and even though he did start to become more accountable his knee was buggered and it was too late.

It is mainly because of these “me me me”attitudes that cost us winning a flag. Too many selfish entitled high picks not willing to play their role.

Shame we didn’t have a strong leader like Kingsley to whip them into shape earlier. Leon was such a waste of space.
 
PMBangers said:
How would people feel about Tarryn Thomas on our list?
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Mercurial talent and something different to what we have but a poisonous individual and culture killer.

I want more blokes like Bedford, Perryman and Buckley that give their lives and unconditional effort, blokes like O’Halloran that are tough and play their role.

Thomas is a throwback to the high draft picks that are selfish and think of themselves first.
 
Andre the Giant said:
Mercurial talent and something different to what we have but a poisonous individual and culture killer.

I want more blokes like Bedford, Perryman and Buckley that give their lives and unconditional effort, blokes like O’Halloran that are tough and play their role.

Thomas is a throwback to the high draft picks that are selfish and think of themselves first.
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Couldn't agree more.

I want more guys like Bedford, what a signing for us.

A guy who just couldn't break into their 22 because of lack of opportunity. We need to find more guys like him.

So many of our players have so much praise for Kingsley and the gamestyle. I hope this season's results can encourage some more fringe players to view GWS as a more viable destination to have a crack to break into our 22. I'd love for us to find a solid KPF to partner with Hogan until Cadman's game matures.
 
Andre the Giant said:
Good points but Smith was such a selfish tool. He had the attributes to be exactly what our team needed, a skilful defensive pressure small forward.

However he was too selfish and our coach was unable to get him to adjust his mindset. By the time he went to Essendon it was too late and even though he did start to become more accountable his knee was buggered and it was too late.

It is mainly because of these “me me me”attitudes that cost us winning a flag. Too many selfish entitled high picks not willing to play their role.

Shame we didn’t have a strong leader like Kingsley to whip them into shape earlier. Leon was such a waste of space.
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True indeed. We had such a talented group of players and generational top draft picks. Too late now, but if we had a coach of Kingsley’s calibre to shape them, we would have had at least a couple of premierships by now.
 
MelbourneGWS said:
True indeed. We had such a talented group of players and generational top draft picks. Too late now, but if we had a coach of Kingsley’s calibre to shape them, we would have had at least a couple of premierships by now.
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Or Choc
 
MelbourneGWS said:
Yes, I really rate Mark Williams. In retrospect, he should have swallowed his pride and stayed around so that he was the coach when Sheedy left
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Personally think Sheeds should of left when he was supposed to and let Choc takeover.
 

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