List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Orange crush]

Why are people throwing in any picks at all? We will pay perhaps $500000 of his salary. That takes picks out of the equation.
Remember, North are in dire need of experienced quality defenders. They are the ones that need to make this happen.
Relax.

Indeed ... I initially thought we might be paying much more than 500k and, thus, I expected a pick back

 

[Giant Strides]

Update from afl.com.au

Dogs look at flag Dee, Saints close on Blue, latest on Giant

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

GIANTS DEFENDER LIKELY TO STAY​

THE GIANTS appear likely to retain experienced defender Nick Haynes, despite lingering interest from clubs in taking on the final year of his contract.

Haynes is coming towards the end of a heavily back-ended deal that runs through until 2024, while the Giants have been open to parting with the 31-year-old under the right circumstances. But interested teams appear resigned to the fact Haynes is more than likely to remain at the club next season, despite a difficult campaign where he dropped in and out of Adam Kingsley

Adam Kingsley

Age

49

Ht

183cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

's best side. Haynes, a best and fairest and All-Australian at the Giants in 2020, played just 20 of a possible 26 games this season while he was either the substitute or substituted out of seven of those fixtures.

Elsewhere, the Giants are still hopeful of resuming negotiations with the Crows around a deal for contracted forward Elliott Himmelberg, but as reported on AFL.com.au on Friday talks have stalled after Suns forward Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

nominated the Hawks as his preferred trade destination.

The club has also met with Port Adelaide small forward Orazio Fantasia and could look to sign the 28-year-old to its rookie list over the off-season.

Riley Beveridge

COMPO PICKS RAISE EYEBROWS​

THE EARLY compensation packages delivered for unrestricted free agents James Jordon and Matt Flynn have been met with some surprise around the League, as clubs wait on the returns for some of this year's bigger free agency deals.

Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney each received end-of-second round selections for Jordon and Flynn, which ultimately fell at picks No.39 and 40 respectively. Clubs had initially been expecting the compensation packages for both deals to be far later in the draft order, leading to an added sense of intrigue around what this year's more significant free agency moves could deliver.

Essendon is expected to land restricted free agents Ben McKay from North Melbourne and Jade Gresham from St Kilda, while Brisbane will secure fellow restricted free agent Tom Doedee from Adelaide.

The AFL currently has a detailed points-based formula that decides free agency compensation, which considers a range of factors including the financial terms of the deal and the age of the player moving clubs among others. To trigger end-of-second round compensation banding, the player must have received an offer within the top 50 per cent of paid players for that season.

Riley Beveridge

 

[Giant Strides]

An additional comment from the twitter account I mentioned earlier:

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Giant Strides]

IIRC, Lobb wanted to get to Melbourne because his partner is Victorian; given Melbourne's situation with finding a forward/ruck partner for Gawn and solving some of their KPF woes (not that I think Lobb is a great answer) I's suggest the Deons are more likely than GWS.

For those interested in the elder Duursma:

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[dlanod]

IIRC, Lobb wanted to get to Melbourne because his partner is Victorian; given Melbourne's situation with finding a forward/ruck partner for Gawn and solving some of their KPF woes (not that I think Lobb is a great answer) I's suggest the Deons are more likely than GWS.

Lobb wanted to go to us last year but we weren't interested at his price. The Dogs were his fallback. But I'm yet to see anything to say this isn't just another make stuff up and delete the stuff that doesn't work account.

 

[Giant Strides]

Well, blow me down. I thought this was a bit of hype that wouldn't happen!

 

[PMBangers]

IIRC, Lobb wanted to get to Melbourne because his partner is Victorian; given Melbourne's situation with finding a forward/ruck partner for Gawn and solving some of their KPF woes (not that I think Lobb is a great answer) I's suggest the Deons are more likely than GWS.

For those interested in the elder Duursma:

You know who would be a better ruck/fwd option than Elliott Himmelberg? Rory Lobb

somethign something knock me down with a feather

 

[Orange crush]

somethign something knock me down with a feather

You gonna pay the 700k for us Bangers?

 

[PMBangers]

You gonna pay the 700k for us Bangers?

I'm not claiming to know the make up of our existing contracts and what our TPP looks like at the moment, but with the increase of salary cap over the next 4 years and guys like Ward and Haynes getting to the point of signing 1 year contracts, if most of our players are on fixed contracts rather than % contracts 700k isn't going to be that much for a guy that'd instantly be our second best KPF and ruck.

We're going to have a harder fixture than this season, teams are going to know how to expose are more, we're going to have injuries, etc. if we want to stay in the top 4 fight next year relying on natural development isn't enough, bringing in players like Lobb when the opportunity presents will, it's the same reason I'm a little peeved that we were never in the Adams conversation as well

 

[Orange crush]

I'm not claiming to know the make up of our existing contracts and what our TPP looks like at the moment, but with the increase of salary cap over the next 4 years and guys like Ward and Haynes getting to the point of signing 1 year contracts, if most of our players are on fixed contracts rather than % contracts 700k isn't going to be that much for a guy that'd instantly be our second best KPF and ruck.

We're going to have a harder fixture than this season, teams are going to know how to expose are more, we're going to have injuries, etc. if we want to stay in the top 4 fight next year relying on natural development isn't enough, bringing in players like Lobb when the opportunity presents will, it's the same reason I'm a little peeved that we were never in the Adams conversation as well

Just joking with you, but I agree on Adams …. Oliver as well, just not convinced about the Lobbster these days

 

[PMBangers]

Just joking with you, but I agree on Adams …. Oliver as well, just not convinced about the Lobbster these days

If my options are a)Lachie Keeffe b) Elliott Himmelberg or c) Rory Lobb, I'm dragging myself over hot coals to ensure it's Lobb

 

[Orange crush]

If my options are a)Lachie Keeffe b) Elliott Himmelberg or c) Rory Lobb, I'm dragging myself over hot coals to ensure it's Lobb

He’s the better player but the coin he’s on is tough for such a limited role

 

[Callums_Guns]

If my options are a)Lachie Keeffe b) Elliott Himmelberg or c) Rory Lobb, I'm dragging myself over hot coals to ensure it's Lobb

I will carry you over the coals to get Lobb

All of our KPF’s are the same height and Lobb stretches the opposition backs and can pinch hit in the ruck

Dogs have so many KPF’s they need to move 1 of them, Darcy can’t even get a look in

 

[Callums_Guns]

He’s the better player but the coin he’s on is tough for such a limited role

We’re in the same boat with Haynes, straight swap ?

Or package with some picks to include Bailey Smith

 

[Orange crush]

We’re in the same boat with Haynes, straight swap ?

Or package with some picks to include Bailey Smith

The same boat with Haynes in some amnner ... however, Haynes has been nothing but a team and club first player.

Lobb pissed off on a contract to Freo, then jumped ship to the Dogs, now wants back to us, again, again? I reckon you get 6-7 good games a year out of him, but he doesn't play the team role that Kingsley expects .... watch him at Freo or the Dogs

 

[Giant Pete]

We might consider Lobb if they pay half his contract and throw in their first pick

 

[Giant Strides]

somethign something knock me down with a feather

 

[Giant Strides]

OK, look at this realistically.

Nick Haynes

19

Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

will have to go from a "player call" to a "club call to move on". We could not manage the salaries otherwise. North Melbourne is probably the ideal club for him, but given the shift in circumstances, it might change what salary we opt to pay for him in 2024. $800k leaves Norths with $500k to pay, and GWS with $500k spare for Lobb. Or we do a straight swap with them, Haynes for Lobb, which improves both teams, but probably makes us all recoil with ick.

Lobb was reported at a 3 year $1.5m contract, so 2 years remaining at $500k, which seems to fit. He's 31 next season, so 2 seasons left he should be OK. Dogs paid #30 plus a future second round pick; the best we could likely do is #40 (our Flynn compo pick, or wherever it lands), or a future second rounder ... or the straight swap paying some salary comes out even. Not sure Lobb's worth a great deal, but if we wanted him we'll make it work no doubt.

We would drop the pursuit of Elliott Himmelberg

34

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

(so, hopefully no guarantees to HH there), delist Keeffe, and replace with Lobb. (We definitely need another budding defender, so the only thing would be if we continued to pursue EH for that role.)

Lobb would be a far superior 3rd tall/spare ruck than Keeffe, or EH, or anyone else on our list, so definitely a win there. It might delay Cadman's development, but injuries (for which we were very lucky this year), may give him opportunity.

It probably works. Although I do agree with Orange crush, the guy ****ed off in pursuit of $$$, whereas Haynesy is a club legend and such a swap would leave a nasty taste in my mouth. But can we swallow that if it pushes us closer to a flag?

 

[Orange crush]

OK, look at this realistically.

Nick Haynes will have to go from a "player call" to a "club call to move on". We could not manage the salaries otherwise. North Melbourne is probably the ideal club for him, but given the shift in circumstances, it might change what salary we opt to pay for him in 2024. $800k leaves Norths with $500k to pay, and GWS with $500k spare for Lobb. Or we do a straight swap with them, Haynes for Lobb, which improves both teams, but probably makes us all recoil with ick.

Lobb was reported at a 3 year $1.5m contract, so 2 years remaining at $500k, which seems to fit. He's 31 next season, so 2 seasons left he should be OK. Dogs paid #30 plus a future second round pick; the best we could likely do is #40 (our Flynn compo pick, or wherever it lands), or a future second rounder ... or the straight swap paying some salary comes out even. Not sure Lobb's worth a great deal, but if we wanted him we'll make it work no doubt.

We would drop the pursuit of Elliott Himmelberg (so, hopefully no guarantees to HH there), delist Keeffe, and replace with Lobb. (We definitely need another budding defender, so the only thing would be if we continued to pursue EH for that role.)

Lobb would be a far superior 3rd tall/spare ruck than Keeffe, or EH, or anyone else on our list, so definitely a win there. It might delay Cadman's development, but injuries (for which we were very lucky this year), may give him opportunity.

It probably works. Although I do agree with Orange crush, the guy ****ed off in pursuit of $$$, whereas Haynesy is a club legend and such a swap would leave a nasty taste in my mouth. But can we swallow that if it pushes us closer to a flag?

That's all fair enough and qite doable ... but I just don't trust the guy ... seen him play some absolute shockers in the last couple of years and reckon he doesn't offer enough, not at that salary, and he would be the one player you can guarantee to shit himself in a big game

 

[Colonial]

If my options are a)Lachie Keeffe b) Elliott Himmelberg or c) Rory Lobb, I'm dragging myself over hot coals to ensure it's Lobb

Really, I mean the talent is there but he seems to want to run for a fresh start every time it gets tough.

In a year or two he will be wanting a trade from us to Queensland.

 

[Danny88]

OK, look at this realistically.

Nick Haynes will have to go from a "player call" to a "club call to move on". We could not manage the salaries otherwise. North Melbourne is probably the ideal club for him, but given the shift in circumstances, it might change what salary we opt to pay for him in 2024. $800k leaves Norths with $500k to pay, and GWS with $500k spare for Lobb. Or we do a straight swap with them, Haynes for Lobb, which improves both teams, but probably makes us all recoil with ick.

Lobb was reported at a 3 year $1.5m contract, so 2 years remaining at $500k, which seems to fit. He's 31 next season, so 2 seasons left he should be OK. Dogs paid #30 plus a future second round pick; the best we could likely do is #40 (our Flynn compo pick, or wherever it lands), or a future second rounder ... or the straight swap paying some salary comes out even. Not sure Lobb's worth a great deal, but if we wanted him we'll make it work no doubt.

We would drop the pursuit of Elliott Himmelberg (so, hopefully no guarantees to HH there), delist Keeffe, and replace with Lobb. (We definitely need another budding defender, so the only thing would be if we continued to pursue EH for that role.)

Lobb would be a far superior 3rd tall/spare ruck than Keeffe, or EH, or anyone else on our list, so definitely a win there. It might delay Cadman's development, but injuries (for which we were very lucky this year), may give him opportunity.

It probably works. Although I do agree with Orange crush, the guy ****ed off in pursuit of $$$, whereas Haynesy is a club legend and such a swap would leave a nasty taste in my mouth. But can we swallow that if it pushes us closer to a flag?

31 seems a sticking point for me. His decline in form might not be that... it would be a sign of his body failing him.

 

[Giant Strides]

31 seems a sticking point for me. His decline in form might not be that... it would be a sign of his body failing him.

Just note that I'm not advocating getting him, just analysing the situation.

I'm not really seeing any "decline in form" in those stats, more, that's how Doggies used him - he was third target behind Naughton and JUH. He still averaged 1.2 goals per game. Surely, we'd take that above Keeffe's 1 goal from 14 games (& 6.7 HO per game)?

However, yes, acknowledge his age and the potential that he'll drop off - but Keeffe will be 34 next campaign if we don't get EH.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Lobb actually makes sense for us position wise. It's feels crazy but if there's some salary sacrifice it's golden.