List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Giant Pete]

Fantasia… it’s just about his health… who knows, but his history is horrible.

 

[Hendo_21]

Fantasia… it’s just about his health… who knows, but his history is horrible.

The risk is well worth imo when it could only be a rookie spot or a very low salary on the main list

 

[Bevoman]

Played 9 SANFL games, averaged 2.2 goals (4 goals x3 times, 3 goals x1, 2 goals x2) and 3.8 tackles. Fits the mould of player we are trying to get and creative inside forward 50. Dont hate the idea like everyone else, but as with all our small forwards, the issue will be soft tissue injuries and trying to keep him on the park.

Probably also means we think Watson is going to be gone by our pick/flight risk and we go tall with our first pick on O'Sullivan (Caddy less likely I would've thought). Only exception is if Sanders is still on the board.

Ken has gold passes for some of his players where Port went into the last final with three injured players.
They should have picked Fanta who played the three previous games in their SANFL team.

 

[Giant Strides]

Ken has gold passes for some of his players where Port went into the last final with three injured players.
They should have picked Fanta who played the three previous games in their SANFL team.

What are your thoughts on how much Oraaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzioooooooooooooo has left in his tank?

 

[PaythePerryman]

Fantasia… it’s just about his health… who knows, but his history is horrible.

Get him in the salt water down at Coogee and he'll come good

 

[Giant Strides]

Matt Flynn could be the first (and if not, among the first few) moves on Friday after opening of the FA window:

The first free agency moves that could be made on Friday

Everything you need to know on who could be the first players to move clubs this off-season.

www.sen.com.au

The AFL free agency period will open on Friday morning, with several players lined up to move clubs on the first day. Unrestricted and restricted free agents alike can move from Friday, with several already nominating their club of choice. Unrestricted free agents can walk to their club of choice once the paperwork is lodged, however restricted free agents can only move if their current club doesn’t match a bit. The free agency window closes on October 13.

See the deals most likely to get done on Friday below.

Matt Flynn

Unrestricted free agent – GWS to West Coast

Flynn has nominated West Coast in a trade request and as an unrestricted free agent, is free to join the Eagles once the paperwork is filed. West Coast has confirmed the nomination but stopped short of declaring it would go through on Friday. Nevertheless, Flynn’s agreement is of major importance to West Coast. Flynn, speaking to SEN WA’s Breakfast on Thursday, suggested he’d been pitched a dual role in the Eagles’ best 22 in sharing the duties with Bailey Williams.

 

[Hendo_21]

Matt Flynn could be the first (and if not, among the first few) moves on Friday after opening of the FA window:

The first free agency moves that could be made on Friday

Everything you need to know on who could be the first players to move clubs this off-season.

www.sen.com.au

The AFL free agency period will open on Friday morning, with several players lined up to move clubs on the first day. Unrestricted and restricted free agents alike can move from Friday, with several already nominating their club of choice. Unrestricted free agents can walk to their club of choice once the paperwork is lodged, however restricted free agents can only move if their current club doesn’t match a bit. The free agency window closes on October 13.

See the deals most likely to get done on Friday below.

Matt Flynn

Unrestricted free agent – GWS to West Coast

Flynn has nominated West Coast in a trade request and as an unrestricted free agent, is free to join the Eagles once the paperwork is filed. West Coast has confirmed the nomination but stopped short of declaring it would go through on Friday. Nevertheless, Flynn’s agreement is of major importance to West Coast. Flynn, speaking to SEN WA’s Breakfast on Thursday, suggested he’d been pitched a dual role in the Eagles’ best 22 in sharing the duties with Bailey Williams.

What sort of compensation do we think for Flynn? Maybe a third either this year or next?

 

[Giant Strides]

What sort of compensation do we think for Flynn? Maybe a third either this year or next?

He's a Free Agent, so VFL House makes the call on his compo pick based on the salary Eagles are paying him. So, definitely in this year's draft. As per a previous post, and given the general salary a ruck is likely to attract, it's most likely a third round pick next to our original third rounder ... if Eagles are hard-pressed to pay their stipulated 95% he might be overpaid a touch and maybe gets us to end of second round. So, somewhere in 40s to 60s (noting it will get pushed backwards by other FA compos getting added in ahead). I'd guess the latter is more likely, but fingers crossed for better.

 

[sydney_gws]

Could/ Should we try to trade with Dogs.
We could get in pick 10, trade them 15.
Before draft, trade 10 for GWS 2024r2 r3 r4.
Live trade them 15 for Dogs2024r2,Norths 2024pick20 after Croft has been bid on.
They can do something else with pick 17, trade 17,gws2024r2 for Norths 2024picks19,20.

 

[Colonial]

hate

 

[Colonial]

oh all for Elliott and Orazio. Both would be useful and wont cost much if anything.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

oh all for Elliott and Orazio. Both would be useful and wont cost much if anything.

I thought Keefe would be better for one of the rookie spot?

 

[JC100]

I thought Keefe would be better for one of the rookie spot?

Himmelberg offers more than Keefe in that forward/ruck role

 

[JC100]

oh all for Elliott and Orazio. Both would be useful and wont cost much if anything.

We were in big trouble when daniels and Bedford were out injured. Experienced cover is a good thing. First chance Kingsley gets to shape the squad.

Didn’t think much fleeton. If he offloads Haynes too I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a surprise up their sleeves in terms of chasing a player at another club.

 

[Danny88]

Could/ Should we try to trade with Dogs.
We could get in pick 10, trade them 15.
Before draft, trade 10 for GWS 2024r2 r3 r4.
Live trade them 15 for Dogs2024r2,Norths 2024pick20 after Croft has been bid on.
They can do something else with pick 17, trade 17,gws2024r2 for Norths 2024picks19,20.

Overly complicated trades like that rarely take place

But that screws the dogs…. So I love it

 

[Colonial]

I thought Keefe would be better for one of the rookie spot?

if we sign H2 then we wont need Keefe.

 

[Colonial]

Didn’t think much fleeton. If he offloads Haynes too I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a surprise up their sleeves in terms of chasing a player at another club.

He won our VFL player of the year, he couldnt of been too bad.

 

[Giant Strides]

Well, the Clayton Oliver

13

Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

saga seems to have been put to bed with no move ... I guess we'll see if it remains that way when trade week actually arrives!

‘It’s been confronting’: Manager says ‘robust’ talks and dinner with coach paved way for Oliver to stay

Clayton Oliver’s manager says some “robust” conversations and a dinner with coach Simon Goodwin proved the breakthrough that kept the star midfielder at Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

FWIW, while moves for midfield guys like James Jordan (Demons to Swans), Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(Blues to Saints) and Elijah Hollands (Suns to Blues) seem to be stitched up, I still believe that we should have been exploring some move along those lines to improve our team's capability and depth. I'm all for having a quiet-ish trade period (I've been advocating less changeout for years), but just bringing in one good player each year who fills a gap or improves the side either from a capability or depth perspective would keep moving us forward as a team.



p.s. Swans seem to be all-in on remodelling their midfield!

Sydney target Pies veteran Adams for shock trade move

The Swans have set their sights on luring veteran Collingwood midfielder Taylor Adams to the harbour town in the trade period.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Orange crush]

Well, the Clayton Oliver saga seems to have been put to bed with no move ... I guess we'll see if it remains that way when trade week actually arrives!

‘It’s been confronting’: Manager says ‘robust’ talks and dinner with coach paved way for Oliver to stay

Clayton Oliver’s manager says some “robust” conversations and a dinner with coach Simon Goodwin proved the breakthrough that kept the star midfielder at Melbourne.

www.theage.com.au

FWIW, while moves for midfield guys like James Jordan (Demons to Swans), Paddy Dow (Blues to Saints) and Elijah Hollands (Suns to Blues) seem to be stitched up, I still believe that we should have been exploring some move along those lines to improve our team's capability and depth. I'm all for having a quiet-ish trade period (I've been advocating less changeout for years), but just bringing in one good player each year who fills a gap or improves the side either from a capability or depth perspective would keep moving us forward as a team.



p.s. Swans seem to be all-in on remodelling their midfield!

Sydney target Pies veteran Adams for shock trade move

The Swans have set their sights on luring veteran Collingwood midfielder Taylor Adams to the harbour town in the trade period.

www.smh.com.au

Exactly this ... keep drafting with our high picks and add players like Fantasia, Teakle and Himmel .... I wouldn't mind us going for Duursma either. Those guys are likely solid contributors over a long year of footy and cost bugger all

 

[JC100]

P.S. Swans seem to be all-in on remodelling their midfield!

Sydney target Pies veteran Adams for shock trade move

The Swans have set their sights on luring veteran Collingwood midfielder Taylor Adams to the harbour town in the trade period.

www.smh.com.au

Bloke that didn’t want to live in Sydney wants to live in Sydney

 

[dlanod]

Bloke that didn’t want to live in Sydney wants to live in Sydney

The difference between a top pick and wanting to just have a career right there.

 

[Giant Strides]

I think I recall someone on here advocating to go after Buku Khamis from Bulldogs ... that's not a possibility now.



And confirmed by contract extension.

 

[Orange Agent]

If James Jordan is worth end of 2nd compo we have to get at least that for Flynn.

 

[Orange Agent]

I think I'd rather Billings than Fantasia if this is the type of player they think we need.