Training 2024 training updates.

[Jen2310]

Didn't someone also post that was where they were training upon return from the camp?

Did I imagine that, because now I can't find it..

Yeah I read that too.


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[ElliottsMaggies]

Yeah I read that too.


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Thank you. I thought I was going crazy, lol. I remember thinking that's a bit strange to have another session after the camp. You'd think they would just finish up for Xmas from the camp.

 

[Rohan25]

I've been doing some Ned Long research, and noticed something strange.

In the VFL, on the 28th of May, he had an absolutely massive VFL game - 34 touches, 9 tackles and 11 clearances and 3 goals against Essendon.

The following week he seemed not to play at any level, for reasons I can't figure out - He doesn't appear in injury lists from that time and was selected in the initial side for Box Hill's.

He didn't get a crack at AFL level until late July, when he was the sub, and then dropped again until the final round, before being delisted after the season.

Interesting that they didn't seem intrigued to get a good look at him when they weren't exactly crushing it for most of the year.

He was named as an emergency for their senior side on June 3. It was an interstate match - perhaps he travelled with the team as a backup for someone who was in doubt?

 

[jc37]

AFL has been years behind other sports.
Namely MLB and NFL.

Why draft 18 year old at pick 30+ when the hit rate is so low (I reckon for every 1 that makes it, 4-5 don’t)

So why not use those last spots on guys that can potentially impact immediately?
Hit rate of 22+ year olds much better league wide (guessing, but don’t think I’m far off).

The constant looking for 10+ year players when the avg career is 3 years is insane!!
A 5 year career is all we need.

You need 30-32 guys who are AFL capable/trusted players to win a flag.
That leaves 10-12 younger players to develop.

2020 our list was done so we did the right thing boosting our list with youth.
Henry- hit but left. Macrae- good VFL player yet to prove himself McInness- looks promising yet to prove himself AFL. We then bombed with Poulter and McMahon but hit with McCreery, Ginnivan.

So picking after 30 can be rewarding but it is a numbers game and depends where your list is. Daicos draft we went Draper (well worth a punt) Murley (never looked AFL) Harrison (potential 100 game player) all after 40. Dean (who knows?)

Our list was lopsided and we lacked mid 20's players we have brought in
Johnson, Schulz, Hill, Frampton, McStay, Lipinski, Kreuger, Markov, Carmichael,
and will likely pick up 2-3 more in this category before the draft.

Mitchell is really a replacement for Adams in terms of age list profile.

This recruiting has bought us a flag but also bought us time in terms of our window.

I think you judge drafts as they come. Lot of 200 game players go between 30-60. Its choosing when to punt on this. We had to in 2020 and did ok and good recruiting means we can pick and choose last 2 drafts.

Cats had to punt this year.

 

[loki04]

I don’t think anyone has said otherwise have they?

There are people in favour of never botto.ing preferring to stay "competitive".

 

[Harry O]

It’s advertised to the media. A journalist just sent me a message it’s Wesley college, Glen Waverley. 9am


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I am not a journalist

 

[ksardog]

Looked a tad upright in that small snippet.

yeh, apparently he modelled his running style on some table tennis playing, shrimp catching
war veteran

 

[Fat Jesus]

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yeh, apparently he modelled his running style on some table tennis playing, shrimp catching
war veteran

First person I thought of when watching him running.

 

[Jen2310]

I am not a journalist

Nah, not you.. But had it mentioned by a journo I know from ch 9 who said they had a media advertisement sent around, also Gabelich from afl mentioned its where they will be, although he wasn't 100%. But that was the plan.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

He was named as an emergency for their senior side on June 3. It was an interstate match - perhaps he travelled with the team as a backup for someone who was in doubt?

Still strange that that monster game didn't get him any consideration in a side that finished 3rd last.

 

[Harry O]

Nah, not you.. But had it mentioned by a journo I know from ch 9 who said they had a media advertisement sent around, also Gabelich from afl mentioned its where they will be, although he wasn't 100%. But that was the plan.

I assume you only checked with them after I broke the news on big footy. Thanks for checking it out and confirming I was on the money

 

[Mollythedolly]

I've been doing some Ned Long research, and noticed something strange.

In the VFL, on the 28th of May, he had an absolutely massive VFL game - 34 touches, 9 tackles and 11 clearances and 3 goals against Essendon.

The following week he seemed not to play at any level, for reasons I can't figure out - He doesn't appear in injury lists from that time and was selected in the initial side for Box Hill's.

He didn't get a crack at AFL level until late July, when he was the sub, and then dropped again until the final round, before being delisted after the season.

Interesting that they didn't seem intrigued to get a good look at him when they weren't exactly crushing it for most of the year.

Might have travelled to Adelaide with the seniors who played Port same day as their VFL side played Willi back in Vic.

Edit: what R25 said.

 

[sr36]

I've been doing some Ned Long research, and noticed something strange.

In the VFL, on the 28th of May, he had an absolutely massive VFL game - 34 touches, 9 tackles and 11 clearances and 3 goals against Essendon.

The following week he seemed not to play at any level, for reasons I can't figure out - He doesn't appear in injury lists from that time and was selected in the initial side for Box Hill's.

He didn't get a crack at AFL level until late July, when he was the sub, and then dropped again until the final round, before being delisted after the season.

Interesting that they didn't seem intrigued to get a good look at him when they weren't exactly crushing it for most of the year.

The team wasn't crushing it. But they had a group of young mids who were crushing it.

 

[Jen2310]

I assume you only checked with them after I broke the news on big footy. Thanks for checking it out and confirming I was on the money

That’s it. I did want to double check. Thanks for letting me know.


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[cityslick1]

What would Reef’s best position in the team be at senior level if he is ever to become a regular?

Third tall forward. Ollie Henry style

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

You need 30-32 guys who are AFL capable/trusted players to win a flag.
That leaves 10-12 younger players to develop.

2020 our list was done so we did the right thing boosting our list with youth.
Henry- hit but left. Macrae- good VFL player yet to prove himself McInness- looks promising yet to prove himself AFL. We then bombed with Poulter and McMahon but hit with McCreery, Ginnivan.

So picking after 30 can be rewarding but it is a numbers game and depends where your list is. Daicos draft we went Draper (well worth a punt) Murley (never looked AFL) Harrison (potential 100 game player) all after 40. Dean (who knows?)

Our list was lopsided and we lacked mid 20's players we have brought in
Johnson, Schulz, Hill, Frampton, McStay, Lipinski, Kreuger, Markov, Carmichael,
and will likely pick up 2-3 more in this category before the draft.

Mitchell is really a replacement for Adams in terms of age list profile.

This recruiting has bought us a flag but also bought us time in terms of our window.

I think you judge drafts as they come. Lot of 200 game players go between 30-60. Its choosing when to punt on this. We had to in 2020 and did ok and good recruiting means we can pick and choose last 2 drafts.

Cats had to punt this year.

Agree.

So what you’re really saying is that draft is 20/80 beyond pick 25……and that we are better off going other avenues?

 

[Hardas]

Agree.

So what you’re really saying is that draft is 20/80 beyond pick 25……and that we are better off going other avenues?

With our current list profile, it certainly makes sense.

 

[Apex36]

I assume you only checked with them after I broke the news on big footy. Thanks for checking it out and confirming I was on the money

Grats for getting it right, but on the other hand it was hardly a secret if the media had been informed by the club what was happening…

 

[Apex36]

The team wasn't crushing it. But they had a group of young mids who were crushing it.

^This. The hawks aren’t an overall strong outfit, but in terms of young mids they’re probably top 3 league wide. It’s unsurprising that the likes of Long couldn’t get a look in when they were basically driving the likes of Mitchell to the AIA centre in order to free up spots.

 

[Harry O]

Grats for getting it right, but on the other hand it was hardly a secret if the media had been informed by the club what was happening…

And like clockwork there it is

 

[petrie pie]

The team wasn't crushing it. But they had a group of young mids who were crushing it.

That is exactly the reason why I think he has been delisted by Hawthorn,you would think being only 20 and being at Hawthorn for only 18 mths they would have persisted with him. It is a funny one all round maybe someone there does not like him,strange but there you are.

 

[petrie pie]

^This. The hawks aren’t an overall strong outfit, but in terms of young mids they’re probably top 3 league wide. It’s unsurprising that the likes of Long couldn’t get a look in when they were basically driving the likes of Mitchell to the AIA centre in order to free up spots.

100 % correct IMV, it is not surprising he could not get a look in but at only 20 with those physical attributes I think I would have given him another contract but if on the outer with S Mitchell you seem to get the arse just ask our Mitchell look at how good he was for them and he was forced out.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It seems that we feel that with an experienced if not ageing best 22, we can afford to pick up seemingly talented cast-offs from other clubs whose development has been interrupted by injury, and give them time to reach their potential in a way their original club could not. We don’t necessarily need them to be best-22 yet.

Interesting strategy. Links in well with the train-on rather than rookie philosophy, and possibly is a bet on Wade at the same time.

 

[Jen2310]

Turf at Wesley is elite


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[Apples]

Jen has attended all training sessions (excluding today I presume), and is in a far better position than me to comment, but from where I sat, Beau McCreery was the tearaway of preseason training. This time last year he was still not cemented in the 22, at least not for me, heck a couple of posters, I wish I could recall who you are, suggested he was "soft". Twelve months on he is a premiership player who looks ready to progress to the next level. He displayed an intensity and ferocity this week that I loved. Sitting on the fence I could hear the crunch of his tackles. So Beau gets my 5 stars.
My partner in crime selected Ash Johnson. Ash worked hard and looks to be really invested. That's been my question on him. I hope for our sakes that he can go the next step.

Of the newbies, the coaches will name those that have an upside yet to be seen due to lack of opportunity, or perhaps through injury. Jack Bytel looks like a footballer; he is strong, has endurance, pretty good on both sides and has developed his pace - he led or was close to leading, all of the 50 metre sprints I watched. Does that make him one of our selections? It does to me - I penciled him in on Monday. As a quick, big-bodied inside mid, he could be the Tay Adams replacement

Of the others hoping for a pick-up, Campbell Hustwaite would have to be in with a chance. We already know his game, personality and peccadillos. It would look a bit odd to know him so well, invite him in, and then not pick him up wouldn't it? I can't see a spot for him though.

Eyre: I didn't see enough from him, except that he looked pretty mobile and took a few contested grabs. Do we need him? We picked up Billy last year and Billy is just as mobile and appears stronger and more aggressive. Eyre is probably stronger overhead.
Brynn Teakle: on paper he's a chance because of his versatility, but he didn't stand out to me. Mr Apples reckons he's in though.
Do we pick a possible McStay replacement?
Sam Sofrinidis: I can't comment on this bloke. He gets wraps from outsiders, but even with binoculars, I just didn't see him do anything. What did Jack Dyer say? "He seems to go where the ball 'aint'". Well that's my take on Sam. The talk though is strong.
Lachie Sullivan: 25 and not picked up by the Bulldogs. Not a great sign. On the positive side, he's a real leader and had a great season in the VFL. He's a big bodied mid and so I reckon it's him or Bytel. We only have Mitchell in that mould and if he goes down we would be in trouble now that Adams has gone.

I'm assuming we have 4 picks, but will keep one for midseason. We didn't get to see any real match play. It would have been great to be a spy at Wesley today as I reckon we would have tried out a few boys and a few game modifications. Why else would we go the secrecy route?

If I were to take a guess, it would be Bytel, Teakle/Eyre and Sofrinidis.