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[bradfisher14]

Given they'll be there at the pointy end of the season, the difference between Band 1 and band 2 compensation for them will be negligible. I'd suggest if we could trigger band 2 compo they'd let him go, they're not squeezing a top 15 pick from us for him, so if the compo is pick 20-22ish then that's a win.

Two players triggered Band 2 compo last year - Doedee and Gresham. Doedee was reported as 5 years @ $3mil, so $600k a year. Gresham was reported as 3 years on about $700k per year. No idea how accurate those reports are, but that's what we've got to go off.

Hayward is 25 years old with no lingering injury issues. I'd be happy to see us pick him up on either of those sorts of deals. Shorter term, bit more money. but still not the $850k that some seem to be assuming it would take. Or longer term deal on less money, similar to what we did with Hewett to secure his signature.

Hmm I could see that. I just think that the Swans will be reluctant to let a required player walk to another contender for unders/a fair price. They'd match and back themselves in to keep him happy like they did with Papley (obviously a different scenario, but you get what I mean).

 

[Blue Pulse]

I'm tired of carrying injury prone players.

Some of Martin Cuningham Marchbank S.Durdin Mirkov etc need to go. Have fit players is absolutely vital and we have Docherty Walsh who also have injury concerns

We will bring in Campo boys fairly cheap so may be able to use our first round pick.

Hope we can get another Acres/Hollands type deals. Cheap quality

IMO we need another Key defender and some more run. We may target some in mid season draft

Other key point is how much we rate Wilson Moir Cowan Carroll Motlop Monahan and how quick we believe they will come on

Tend to agree, as much as I like these guys the problem is twofold as it also effects the competitiveness of our reserves team. I doubt we would get rid of all of them at once but the back end of the year and their fitness will have a big say as to how it pans out.

We have seen glimpses of how good these guys can be, we just want to see it for longer

 

[Arr0w]

Why's that?

SA boy and both clubs have enough spare coin

 

[BIuebagger]

Think he’s a good player who would do a decent job at half forward, but nothing spectacular that stands as a point of difference to what we already have on our list in that position. Depends how much we would get him in for if interest is solid.
Half forward/small forward is the area we should be targeting though, hopefully that’s what is happening.

 

[Arr0w]

Think people forget how good Marchbank was in the back end of last year.

Having a couple of dirty moments happens to most players

If he is healthy, he plays

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Think he’s a good player who would do a decent job at half forward, but nothing spectacular that stands as a point of difference to what we already have on our list in that position. Depends how much we would get him in for if interest is solid.
Half forward/small forward is the area we should be targeting though, hopefully that’s what is happening.

Point of difference is that he's strong overhead and highly athletic. He is a role player, but our smalls present absolutely no threat overhead which allows opposition to go all in on trying to stop H and Charlie.

Imo he's probably capped to being at best a 35-40 goal player with a more prominent role, which is what I see Motlop's ceiling as too. Not AA levels but still a very solid contributor - Just like Acres and Hewett

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Don't see it with Hayward personally.

Need a 3rd tall around 190cm, not at 186cm.

In the mould of a Brad Pearce or Brad Fisher

Brad Fisher

Age

40

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.6

5star

....

 

[Coops93]

Hayward is a bit of a classic promised a lot but never quite put it together. Has pace, is a good overhead mark for a player of his size, has a good natural goal sense and can slot them from anywhere... but just hasn't put it together consistently.

His attributes suggest he could become a star, but as the stats show he's basically the same player he is now that he was his first or second year. 11/12 possessions and a goal a game. Has an elite highlight reel and game-breaking quarters where he kicks 3 quick goals to turn a game, but the reality is he's a B- grader.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hayward is a bit of a classic promised a lot but never quite put it together. Has pace, is a good overhead mark for a player of his size, has a good natural goal sense and can slot them from anywhere... but just hasn't put it together consistently.

His attributes suggest he could become a star, but as the stats show he's basically the same player he is now that he was his first or second year. 11/12 possessions and a goal a game. Has an elite highlight reel and game-breaking quarters where he kicks 3 quick goals to turn a game, but the reality is he's a B- grader.

This is the exact same description of our best small/medium forward in Martin. The rest of our smalls are C graders, Hayward is no superstar but he's an upgrade on what we've got.

 

[big_sav]

Surely blues will try and get ahead of the first campo pick. Maybe using a future first so they get a bonus top player


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[HereComesJuddy]

Hearing Gulden is off the market. Not that we would have ever gotten him

 

[Aphrodite]

Hearing Gulden is off the market. Not that we would have ever gotten him

It’s been all over social media today, now confirmed …

 

[Coops93]

This is the exact same description of our best small/medium forward in Martin. The rest of our smalls are C graders, Hayward is no superstar but he's an upgrade on what we've got.

I typed up the Martin similarities but deleted it.

I'm not saying no to him. He definitely adds a dynamic to our forwardline we need aside from the big 2. Just depends a lot on cost, wouldn't want to be spending much on him.

 

[bluemahogany]

Think people forget how good Marchbank was in the back end of last year.

Having a couple of dirty moments happens to most players

If he is healthy, he plays

His preliminary final was outrageously good, never going to go back and watch the replay but he was an absolute rock.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Think he’s a good player who would do a decent job at half forward, but nothing spectacular that stands as a point of difference to what we already have on our list in that position. Depends how much we would get him in for if interest is solid.
Half forward/small forward is the area we should be targeting though, hopefully that’s what is happening.

At this point playing 20 games a season and being AFL quality is enough of a point of difference for me.

I think we’d be better off with Hayward for Martin even at the expense of say 100-200k in the cap. Ideally you’d want them both on the list and I think that would be the plan but some tough calls may have to be made. He hasnt played over 15 games in a season for us. Hayward has played under 16 games once. They are very similar stylistically and output wise.

The club must be over having a lack of reliable smalls in the forward half and I think we are using 1-2 spots too many on that position to make up for it.

 

[Blue Reaper]

Think people forget how good Marchbank was in the back end of last year.

Having a couple of dirty moments happens to most players

If he is healthy, he plays

Agree. Question is how do we use Kemp when he plays a game like that. Can’t drop him. Can both plus Weits play D?

 

[Arr0w]

Agree. Question is how do we use Kemp when he plays a game like that. Can’t drop him. Can both plus Weits play D?

Might go back to a Doc like setup, where someone plays ahead of the back 6 in a defensive mid type role

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Might go back to a Doc like setup, where someone plays ahead of the back 6 in a defensive mid type role

on a side note I think we miss that bit off speed and strength off the back of clearance that doc had --

 

[Blue Reaper]

Might go back to a Doc like setup, where someone plays ahead of the back 6 in a defensive mid type role

Interesting. In any case, a good problem to have. And hope Kemp keeps on smashing it.

And gotta admire the resolve and success of the group given the players unavailable over the first month.

 

[DangerousD]

He has averaged 1.3 goals a game in 3 of his last 4 seasons (including 2024). That works out to approximately 30 goals give or take a few finals. Coming into his prime I would back him in for 30 at Carlton or elsewhere.

He wouldn't even need to improve for him to make us better. You don't play 140 games in 7 years at the Swans if you're a mug. He has interest around the league for a reason.

Ultimately it comes down to cost. I just hope we don't complete our analysis on the assumption that Martin is going to consistently kick us goals. He won't.

I dont doubt Hayward would make us better and i dont think he’s a mug by any stretch, but for what i think he will command $$$ wise to the improvement he will bring, i dont think its worth it. You have mentioned 1.3 goals in 3 of his last 4 seasons, that’s still under 30 goals for the season for a player who doesnt get much of the ball and only really plays one position.

Youre preaching to the converted regarding Martin, we need to move past him

 

[katmanblue]

I would be very keen to add Hayward if we can make it work within our cap. However, I can’t realistically see him leaving the Swans. They’d be after decent draft compensation given his RFA status and our offer wouldn’t yield anything major. I could see them matching and forcing us to trade for him which I think is a non-starter for us. It’s crucial we add another quality kid through the draft in addition to the Campo twins this year.

Lose nothing by throwing our hat in the ring at a price we can afford. Worst case, we drive up the price for whoever signs him. Best case, we get him and fit him in the cap.

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[katmanblue]

Isn't it funny how things change? This time last year most would have had Fog as a delist option. Now, he's a lock.

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[DangerousD]

IMO we need another Key defender and some more run. We may target some in mid season draft

Have you seen another of someone or like someone enough you think who would fit the mould?

I find the MSD strange, there doesnt seem to be many success stories since its inception, but there has been heaps of players picked up in the ND or rookie drafts from the lower leagues, who have kicked on.

Didn’t Mannagh go second round to the Cats? Every club passed on him in the MSD.

There’s been a few key backs come from the State leagues so id be happy to grab one, or a Bailey Fritsch

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

On the small forward discussion Joe Richards for the Pies has been killing it lately for the Pies. Kicked 6.0 and 3.2 the first 2 weeks of the VFL season averaging 18 touches a game.

Remember there being a bit talk about him a bit in here prior to his draft, looked a natural small forward though not sure about his athleticism and fitness levels or how is tracking at the Pies who have a plethora of good options.

Could be one to keep an eye on.

 

[DangerousD]

Think people forget how good Marchbank was in the back end of last year.

Having a couple of dirty moments happens to most players

If he is healthy, he plays

The injury report says he is a test for next week, or am i reading that wrong, so he has a sore back and isn’t available.