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I thought last game was his best game even though he had the ball 12 times. He ran with the ball and took the game on each time he had Iit.

Additonally he got himself in the right sport to score goals.

I'm willing to live with 15 possession game/low possession games if he can score goals or is in the position to score goals.

He also breaks lines, drew players and made good decisions. Skills were good also.

Small steps but the progress is there
 
Chesser’s AFL career was badly set back before it had even begun when he was pushed in the back in the air by Blake Acres (a tough, experienced AFL pro) and wrecked his ankle on the hard MRP surface and lost his first year.

He does show a certain timidity at times (e.g. the cbd after the third goal in the GC game he hesitated to go for the ball coming in from the wing, in the Richmond (?) game he dropped a sitter of an uncontested overhead mark with a loose ball coming out of defence).

He is a very slow burn if anything. It is good he has got a taste for scoring.

He suffers badly by the comparison with Matt Johnson who was in our backyard but overlooked.
Another classic blunder like the Nic Martin one.

I would like to see him make the grade but am not overly confident that he will.
He has not yet had a breakout game. He had a good quarter v PA but he hasn’t really gone on with things since this game.
He would probably be in the Beagles if we had a stronger list.
 
He’s had a couple of low disposal games. But also, out of his 8 games this year he has been subbed on or off in 3 of them.

If we take his player rating as a way to measure impact or effectiveness we can see he has a slow, but clear trend of improvement.

Comparing Chesser’s 2024 to 2023 we can see small improvement in everything except disposals, and he has played less time on ground (68.4% in 2024 and 73.1% in 2023).

Despite the less TOG Chesser is averaging

  • more contested possessions
  • more inside 50’s
  • higher disposal efficiency
  • higher kicking efficiency
  • more score involvements
  • improved avg player rating from 3.11 to 6.72
  • higher metres gained

The improvements aren’t huge, but we are comparing all of last season, to 8 games in 2024 where he has been subbed on or off in almost half his games.

Chessers growth and development is slower than we’d like, but to say he hasn’t improved and using one (useless?) stat to make your point doesn’t really stand up.
Unfortunately the reason he has been subbed off a few times was because he was giving us so little, it was the tactical sub as opposed to an injury enforced one. So it's kind of chicken and egg; low possessions because he's getting subbed off or he's getting subbed off because he's getting low possessions?

I've attached his stats page from AFL Tables.

From 2023 he's half a kick more, and down a bit more than 2 handballs. Down a tackle a game. Marginally down on rebound 50s and marginally up on inside 50s. Clearances the same and down a clanger. Contested possessions marginally up, uncontested possessions down a couple. One percenters marginally up.

Saying the improvements aren't huge is not statistically borne out. The decline isn't huge would be a more accurate summation, but that's off a low base to start with. But I concede it's not all about the numbers, there are the intangibles like effort and game sense. Unfortunately I don't see much of that. And I've yet to really see it in any game. Or maybe he's playing a dedicated role out there on the wing, to keep his involvement in the game to a minimum while dragging away an opposition player? But that doesn't explain the subbing off.

As pointed out by another poster Jarrod Brander's stats were marginally better and he played the same number of games as Chesser and was offloaded to GWS for nothing. He needs to get serious and do it fast. Our recruiters must have seen something in him to draft him so high, I'd like to see what it was.

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Unfortunately the reason he has been subbed off a few times was because he was giving us so little, it was the tactical sub as opposed to an injury enforced one. So it's kind of chicken and egg; low possessions because he's getting subbed off or he's getting subbed off because he's getting low possessions?

I've attached his stats page from AFL Tables.

From 2023 he's half a kick more, and down a bit more than 2 handballs. Down a tackle a game. Marginally down on rebound 50s and marginally up on inside 50s. Clearances the same and down a clanger. Contested possessions marginally up, uncontested possessions down a couple. One percenters marginally up.

Saying the improvements aren't huge is not statistically borne out. The decline isn't huge would be a more accurate summation, but that's off a low base to start with. But I concede it's not all about the numbers, there are the intangibles like effort and game sense. Unfortunately I don't see much of that. And I've yet to really see it in any game. Or maybe he's playing a dedicated role out there on the wing, to keep his involvement in the game to a minimum while dragging away an opposition player? But that doesn't explain the subbing off.

As pointed out by another poster Jarrod Brander's stats were marginally better and he played the same number of games as Chesser and was offloaded to GWS for nothing. He needs to get serious and do it fast. Our recruiters must have seen something in him to draft him so high, I'd like to see what it was.

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Sorry guy, but there are a number of low output player in the side atm, and they're not generating the same kind of attention from you as Chesser.

Young kid, third year (first a write off from injury). Mature body. Works hard. Quick. Kicks goals. Played out of position, not uncommon in an Adam Simpson lead side. Let's back him in and see what he can do.
 
Sorry guy, but there are a number of low output player in the side atm, and they're not generating the same kind of attention from you as Chesser.

Young kid, third year (first a write off from injury). Mature body. Works hard. Quick. Kicks goals. Played out of position, not uncommon in an Adam Simpson lead side. Let's back him in and see what he can do.
I agree there are a number of low output players in the team, but this is the Campbell Chesser thread, which is why I'm talkng about Campbell Chesser. I disagree he works hard, that's my major beef, he floats around on the fringes. What is his position, might I ask, if wing isn't it? I want to see him back himself in and I'm not at the moment.
 
I agree there are a number of low output players in the team, but this is the Campbell Chesser thread, which is why I'm talkng about Campbell Chesser. I disagree he works hard, that's my major beef, he floats around on the fringes. What is his position, might I ask, if wing isn't it? I want to see him back himself in and I'm not at the moment.
He ran comfortably the most on ground Saturday racking up 15.5kms, doesn’t count though because you can’t see him working hard from your couch.
 
He ran comfortably the most on ground Saturday racking up 15.5kms, doesn’t count though because you can’t see him working hard from your couch.
My couch, plastic seat to be precise, was on the outer wing, section 143 of Optus Stadium, the same wing he spent almost the entire game on. I had the prefect view to assess his effort.



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Unfortunately the reason he has been subbed off a few times was because he was giving us so little, it was the tactical sub as opposed to an injury enforced one. So it's kind of chicken and egg; low possessions because he's getting subbed off or he's getting subbed off because he's getting low possessions?

I've attached his stats page from AFL Tables.

From 2023 he's half a kick more, and down a bit more than 2 handballs. Down a tackle a game. Marginally down on rebound 50s and marginally up on inside 50s. Clearances the same and down a clanger. Contested possessions marginally up, uncontested possessions down a couple. One percenters marginally up.

Saying the improvements aren't huge is not statistically borne out. The decline isn't huge would be a more accurate summation, but that's off a low base to start with. But I concede it's not all about the numbers, there are the intangibles like effort and game sense. Unfortunately I don't see much of that. And I've yet to really see it in any game. Or maybe he's playing a dedicated role out there on the wing, to keep his involvement in the game to a minimum while dragging away an opposition player? But that doesn't explain the subbing off.

As pointed out by another poster Jarrod Brander's stats were marginally better and he played the same number of games as Chesser and was offloaded to GWS for nothing. He needs to get serious and do it fast. Our recruiters must have seen something in him to draft him so high, I'd like to see what it was.

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Noting you’ve just cherry picked a set of stats, and nothing you’ve provided contradicts what I said in my post. He is getting more metres gained, more metres gained per disposal, higher efficiency with his disposals, more contested and he is hitting the scoreboard.

Also, using AFL player rating system, we can see how his performance is trending over time.

What we clearly see is a slow but definite improvement in his performance.

Remembering that Chesser played 14 games last year and 8 this year, you can see a clear improvement year on year.
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If the criticism of Chesser was purely “I’d like to see him get more of it” then I would agree, and so would most others. But that’s not the thrust of your argument or other detractors. It’s “chesser is likely a bust” couched in pseudo supportive “I hope I’m wrong” equivocation.

Even Simmo said recently that there are some good passages he really likes from chesser but he’d like the ball in his hands more.

He’s a slow burn, but he’s improving and that’s what you want from a young g player.
 
Unfortunately the reason he has been subbed off a few times was because he was giving us so little, it was the tactical sub as opposed to an injury enforced one. So it's kind of chicken and egg; low possessions because he's getting subbed off or he's getting subbed off because he's getting low possessions?

I've attached his stats page from AFL Tables.

From 2023 he's half a kick more, and down a bit more than 2 handballs. Down a tackle a game. Marginally down on rebound 50s and marginally up on inside 50s. Clearances the same and down a clanger. Contested possessions marginally up, uncontested possessions down a couple. One percenters marginally up.

Saying the improvements aren't huge is not statistically borne out. The decline isn't huge would be a more accurate summation, but that's off a low base to start with. But I concede it's not all about the numbers, there are the intangibles like effort and game sense. Unfortunately I don't see much of that. And I've yet to really see it in any game. Or maybe he's playing a dedicated role out there on the wing, to keep his involvement in the game to a minimum while dragging away an opposition player? But that doesn't explain the subbing off.

As pointed out by another poster Jarrod Brander's stats were marginally better and he played the same number of games as Chesser and was offloaded to GWS for nothing. He needs to get serious and do it fast. Our recruiters must have seen something in him to draft him so high, I'd like to see what it was.

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I can't see it either. Some players are good wafl or vfl players, nothing wrong with that. Maybe the recruiters don't want to admit they may have got it wrong!
 
Noting you’ve just cherry picked a set of stats, and nothing you’ve provided contradicts what I said in my post. He is getting more metres gained, more metres gained per disposal, higher efficiency with his disposals, more contested and he is hitting the scoreboard.

Also, using AFL player rating system, we can see how his performance is trending over time.

What we clearly see is a slow but definite improvement in his performance.

Remembering that Chesser played 14 games last year and 8 this year, you can see a clear improvement year on year.
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If the criticism of Chesser was purely “I’d like to see him get more of it” then I would agree, and so would most others. But that’s not the thrust of your argument or other detractors. It’s “chesser is likely a bust” couched in pseudo supportive “I hope I’m wrong” equivocation.

Even Simmo said recently that there are some good passages he really likes from chesser but he’d like the ball in his hands more.

He’s a slow burn, but he’s improving and that’s what you want from a young g player.
Giving his entire stats package is the polar opposite of cherry picking. I no idea where your rankings come from as you give no source. Calling him a slow burn is couching your bets.
 
My couch, plastic seat to be precise, was on the outer wing, section 143 of Optus Stadium, the same wing he spent almost the entire game on. I had the prefect view to assess his effort.



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Just one of the idiots around me then, can you explain him racking up 700 more metres than anyone else with this lack of effort?
 

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