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Russell to step away at season’s end
Andrew Russell will step away from football at the conclusion of the 2024 AFL season.
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Now that’s it’s been said publicly by a member of the coaching panel, I feel more comfortable sharing my opinions.
Privately I’ve thought that after our stellar run late last year, that the expectations were we’d just rock up and make the GF this year.
Drinking their own bath water comes to mind.
I have some thoughts on some of our leaders, but imo only, from the outside, we could do much better.
I’m wrapt that WALSHY has come back in top form as I believe he sets the example.
Maybe a bit of a public kick up the arse is what’s needed.
Privately I’ve thought that after our stellar run late last year, that the expectations were we’d just rock up and make the GF this year.
Drinking their own bath water comes to mind.
I have some thoughts on some of our leaders, but imo only, from the outside, we could do much better.
I’m wrapt that WALSHY has come back in top form as I believe he sets the example.
Maybe a bit of a public kick up the arse is what’s needed.
Cannot believe the MMM nuffies just moved straight on and didn't latch on and drill down on that response. So many interesting follow-up questions to that.
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Doubt Clark would have given much up regardless
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I guess my overall question is directed more towards whether there is one contributing factor (round 0) which helps explain our injury crisis this year. I would be surprised if it has “no bearing whatsoever” on our situation. But I completely agree there are likely to be other factors at play too, at least one of which (injury prone players) is a matter you have identified here. I just think round 0 should be thrown into the mix.
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We overload our players through preseason then watch them break down from rounds 1 - 10. It's an annual tradition not impacted by round zero.
It's a valid discussion point, especially when many other sides from round 0 have experienced high number of injuries, some more than us
And certainly more valid in debate than David King viewing one session on 5 months
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Was a poor thing to say in public I reckon.
And bad workmen blame their tools. It's an unfair powere advantage where the players can't defend themselves. There may be truth in it, but equally their may be some fault on the side of trainers. Best worked out in-house. I hope Cooky has a word.
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You say the injuries are not impacted by round zero. Just based on what we’ve seen from the other teams involved in round zero, I would be surprised if there is no impact. It just seems a bit more than coincidence that other clubs playing that round have also faced disruptions. I guess it is up to the powerbrokers in their review of what has gone on to determine the extent to which it has impacted on our injury list. Perhaps you are right and there is no impact. But on an anecdotal level, I would be surprised.
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absolutely.
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May not have helped but my point was it happens every year.
There is a little fact being overlooked here.
The playing field has moved on a number of fronts. The AFLPA has “negotiated” greater off season down time. We have a situation that players are largely left to their own devices pre season. Russell and his ilk tailor programs for the players during the off season so they return in good nick.
Some players, including some of ours, read Walsh, overdo the workload, whereas some who we can rightly or wrongly surmise the names under prepare or do a bare minimum.
Then we add the alteration to umpiring interpretation placing even greater strain on players in tackling situations. Then we have the makey uppy AFL moving the goalposts for selected teams with their Round 0, played in the northern states at the end of Summer as well as some of the regular playing surfaces being compromised due to “concert season”. We, and the Tigers had a six day back up on the MCG after “Swifty”. Was the surface compressed or perhaps shifty, I doubt it was pristine. (Who is vying with us for the worst injury impact in the first half of the season?)
Injury prone players add to that equation and we have a perfect storm.
The conditioners are dealing with variations to the traditional pre season, creating many variables. Throw in the round two bye which encouraged our conditioning AND footy staff to try maintaining or building loads to somewhat experimentally keeping loads high pre an extraordinary hiatus. Then, of course, we had players with compromised pre seasons on varied programs trying to catch up. Russell and team seemed determined to err on the side of caution bringing players back slowly. It would nit be easy getting the appropriate conditioning in to a handful of players while the majority of the group were training differently.
Throw in the ludicrous slow start to the VFL season leaving it almost impossible to condition returning players or have our depth and developing types on a par with the senior boys.
The AFL is ludicrously run by a bunch of entitled prats interested only in financial gain and the glory should one of their decisions actually turn out right. Player welfare remains an afterthought despite all of the pressure from historic events.
I doubt Russell or his team with no small influence from the coaching group have made all of the right decisions. There often is not a right or wrong decision, simply INFORMED guesswork influenced by numerous factors, mostly random and many beyond their control.
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Well done by the club, admitting they were under staffed in the high performance department and adding more resources.
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Well done to this board that probably started the ball rolling on 'questioning the high performance ' team before some lazy journo picked up our thread and ran with it in the media. We played a part for sure and now we have the result we want.
A debate won against 'the club can do no wrong' supporters for sure.
A debate won against 'the club can do no wrong' supporters for sure.
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This whole debate reminds me of the movie 'don't look up' lol.
just hire Dunstan checks in
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Can we get him to go back in time and terminate Russell's Carlton career before this preseason?
It's great that the club is doing something but the horse has bolted and we're talking about appointing a head gate shutter.
Seems smart to invest more in rehab/physiotherapy right now. Having players get new injuries in rehab and re-injuring the injury they just rehabbed from suggests we're not very good at repairing these guys.
As with most things, there's usually a lot of factors at play.
Maybe we tried something with pushing too hard in training at the beginning of the season and broke the players. That's on Russell, Voss and Lloyd.
Maybe our medical and rehab people aren't as good as they need to be, or we just don't have enough of them, or both.
Maybe we have too many players who don't do as they're told, and they need more intensive injury management. Some of them might need a physiotherapist living with them.
Whatever, it can't be a bad thing to take a good hard look at both training loads and injury prevention and rehab. The former is Russell's thing, and we're certainly not going to sack him mid season. The latter is our medical staff, and that's definitely something we can hopefully improve almost immediately.
As with most things, there's usually a lot of factors at play.
Maybe we tried something with pushing too hard in training at the beginning of the season and broke the players. That's on Russell, Voss and Lloyd.
Maybe our medical and rehab people aren't as good as they need to be, or we just don't have enough of them, or both.
Maybe we have too many players who don't do as they're told, and they need more intensive injury management. Some of them might need a physiotherapist living with them.
Whatever, it can't be a bad thing to take a good hard look at both training loads and injury prevention and rehab. The former is Russell's thing, and we're certainly not going to sack him mid season. The latter is our medical staff, and that's definitely something we can hopefully improve almost immediately.
So we've consistently had a shocking injury list for 5 years and counting and after numerous reviews they come out with the HP team at understaffed.
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Good news finally…
Better late than never…we’ve been slow learners in the past but this year we’re much more proactive.
Better late than never…we’ve been slow learners in the past but this year we’re much more proactive.
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Hopefully you and the others are now open to seeing this from another's perspective Bluejet.
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