Oppo Camp The Non-North Footy Discussion & Matchday Chat Thread (NNFD&MCT) IX

[King Corey]

I hope no-one bullies him.

The graphic makes it look like his name is Marie.

Hang on, did I just bully him?

 

[Sphynx]

I'm with David King (and unfortunately Damien Barrett) on this - it's been more than a bit under-played or badly handled.

Petracca has just spent 3 or 4 days in ICU - that's to say, the hospital ward for patients facing life-threatening injuries.

And he was put back on the field with a pain-killer? Where's the duty of care from the club doctor? the AFL? Hello, anyone?

Should be way more scruitany.

This was from the Demon land Forum the very next morning before all the other details came to light.


This sounds absolutely spot on considering it's emerged he has spent 4 days in ICU since the surgery.

 

[Merlin007]

Should be way more scruitany.

This was from the Demon land Forum the very next morning before all the other details came to light.


This sounds absolutely spot on considering it's emerged he has spent 4 days in ICU since the surgery.

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indeed - a spell in ICU is pretty much by definition life-threatening.

Had things gone wrong the legal consequences for MFC and their medical staff might have been significant (and probably should still be)

 

[Epictetus]

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is a premiership winning coach, yes.

But if not for that run of games during the coviid year, I would submit that he is one of the least impressive, least intelligent and frankly most ill equipped person to hold a senior coaching position in the last 20 years.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Simon Goodwin is a premiership winning coach, yes.

But if not for that run of games during the coviid year, I would submit that he is one of the least impressive, least intelligent and frankly most ill equipped person to hold a senior coaching position in the last 20 years.

He's the reason they've only won one with such a hugely talented list. They are infinitely more talented than the Richmond team that won three in four years.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Lucky the Collingwood players took more care of him than the sideline staff, could have got much worse.

 

[Samsquanch]

Lucky the Collingwood players took more care of him than the sideline staff, could have got much worse.

Cornhole and old what's her name wilson will be outraged.

 

[tricknologist]

Port were rightly punished for sending Aliir back onto the field last year. I really don't see how you can punish Port for what they did with Aliir and then do nothing about Melbourne when Petracca's injury put him in the ICU.

 

[ferball]

Port were rightly punished for sending Aliir back onto the field last year. I really don't see how you can punish Port for what they did with Aliir and then do nothing about Melbourne when Petracca's injury put him in the ICU.

That was an obvious head clash.

If Melbourne gets punished teams will second guess every time a player gets winded. The game would really be cooked then.

 

[Devington]

Punishment question isn't even relevant at this stage when the AFL hasn't even said they're INVESTIGATING.

Which is bizarre if you ask me. I would have thought at least a cursive 'please explain' would be sent by default if a player ended up in the ICU for half a week after being sent BACK ON THE FIELD with their injury. IDK, maybe trac completely undersold how sore he was to the point of obstinance, but it's also possible the doctors barely did any testing and were desperate to send him back out.

 

[tricknologist]

That was an obvious head clash.

If Melbourne gets punished teams will second guess every time a player gets winded. The game would really be cooked then.

The Petracca situation went well beyond simply being winded. He was hit hard in his lower back and couldn't walk properly afterwards. There were warning signs of a very serious injury that couldn't be diagnosed with a simple physical examination, and yet he was sent back onto the field anyway. Something very bad could've happened because the club was more interested in getting him back onto the field instead of exercising a proper duty of care.

 

[ferball]

The Petracca situation went well beyond simply being winded. He was hit hard in his lower back and couldn't walk properly afterwards. There were warning signs of a very serious injury that couldn't be diagnosed with a simple physical examination, and yet he was sent back onto the field anyway. Something very bad could've happened because the club was more interested in getting him back onto the field instead of exercising a proper duty of care.

If he was hit in his lower back we wouldn't be having this discussion. Its below your ribcage while your spleen is inside your ribcage.

I dunno what happened on the Melbourne bench or how much say Petracca had in going back onfield, or for that matter how much he held back his pain cos he's a tough campaigner. Without that knowledge its a bit much assuming the melbourne staff were negligent or didn't care about their player.

The only way to ever prevent this sort of incident is either ban contact or make those 20 minute HIA breaks apply to every bit of major body contact as well. Can't wait to watch a GF with 29 players on the field.

 

[Epictetus]

Having been involved with a million games of footy at various levels, I can guarantee you that the coach was in part in driving the push to get him back on that ground. No doubt the player himself played a part, which is commendable and brave.

Either way, the fact that he went back on is a disgrace. It was clear from my couch that he was in serious trouble.

 

[tricknologist]

If he was hit in his lower back we wouldn't be having this discussion. Its below your ribcage while your spleen is inside your ribcage.

I dunno what happened on the Melbourne bench or how much say Petracca had in going back onfield, or for that matter how much he held back his pain cos he's a tough campaigner. Without that knowledge its a bit much assuming the melbourne staff were negligent or didn't care about their player.

The only way to ever prevent this sort of incident is either ban contact or make those 20 minute HIA breaks apply to every bit of major body contact as well. Can't wait to watch a GF with 29 players on the field.

"Lower back" was sloppy phrasing. The greater point was that a) the hit was brutal and b) he exhibited warning signs that went well beyond simply being winded. And, no, the only ways to prevent these sorts of incidents aren't banning contact or demanding breaks when there is an instance of major body contact. The way to prevent it is to not send a player back out onto the field when they've probably suffered serious bodily trauma.

 

[ferball]

"Lower back" was sloppy phrasing. The greater point was that a) the hit was brutal and b) he exhibited warning signs that went well beyond simply being winded. And, no, the only ways to prevent these sorts of incidents aren't banning contact or demanding breaks when there is an instance of major body contact. The way to prevent it is to not send a player back out onto the field when they've probably suffered serious bodily trauma.

And how do you tell that?

 

[tricknologist]

And how do you tell that?

He was in serious agony after the hit and couldn't move properly. He had obvious trouble moving freely before he went back out onto the field, which was a considerable amount of time after the hit. There were warning signs that went well beyond simply being winded or suffering a minor knock. If you're fine with players being sent back out onto the field in that situation, then cool. But imo, if the industry is serious about player welfare, then the conservative approach should be taken in those situations.

Moreover, we're talking about a club where the head coach has been accused of verbally abusing medical staff. There's a lot of smoke here.

 

[ferball]

He was in serious agony after the hit and couldn't move properly. He had obvious trouble moving freely before he went back out onto the field, which was a considerable amount of time after the hit. There were warning signs that went well beyond simply being winded or suffering a minor knock. If you're fine with players being sent back out onto the field in that situation, then cool. But imo, if the industry is serious about player welfare, then the conservative approach should be taken in those situations.

Moreover, we're talking about a club where the head coach has been accused of verbally abusing medical staff. There's a lot of smoke here.

Have you ever been punched in the ribs in a way that causes your intercostal muscles to spasm? Cos its ****ed. Its agonising, scary and worse than being winded. Its not like you can get your breath back a few minutes later if you walk it off. Its difficult to breathe properly for a long time afterward. And that would have also happened in that impact.

There's nothing wrong with expecting a footballer to push thru pain, especially when that player claims it was his call and takes responsibility for his decision to go back on field, and when it was clear that was the wrong decision they had him sent to hospital immediately.

Its very different to what Port did with Aliir where there was video of a head clash and a clear policy in place for what to do in the event of a head clash which they ignored.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Have you ever been punched in the ribs in a way that causes your intercostal muscles to spasm? Cos its ****ed. Its agonising, scary and worse than being winded. Its not like you can get your breath back a few minutes later if you walk it off. Its difficult to breathe properly for a long time afterward. And that would have also happened in that impact.

There's nothing wrong with expecting a footballer to push thru pain, especially when that player claims it was his call and takes responsibility for his decision to go back on field, and when it was clear that was the wrong decision they had him sent to hospital immediately.

Its very different to what Port did with Aliir where there was video of a head clash and a clear policy in place for what to do in the event of a head clash which they ignored.

I think the point is that the Melbourne medical staff needed to be better. It absolutely should not be the player's call.

You'd hope that your medical staff could assess the potentially serious outcome and err on the side of caution.

 

[marklovesbeer]

Didn’t think I’d ever say it, but I’d actually prefer the footy on a Thursday. I’ve gotten used to it.
Don’t like Monday footy unless it’s a public holiday, but I’ve really warmed to the round starting on a Thursday.

 

[DuckYeah]

If he was hit in his lower back we wouldn't be having this discussion. Its below your ribcage while your spleen is inside your ribcage.

I dunno what happened on the Melbourne bench or how much say Petracca had in going back onfield, or for that matter how much he held back his pain cos he's a tough campaigner. Without that knowledge its a bit much assuming the melbourne staff were negligent or didn't care about their player.

The only way to ever prevent this sort of incident is either ban contact or make those 20 minute HIA breaks apply to every bit of major body contact as well. Can't wait to watch a GF with 29 players on the field.

One of the greatest games of footy ever played was when 29 blokes were in hospital over night.. I miss those days.. paid very little back then also

 

[Ashley B]

Anyone got a referral for the Melbourne Dr , need it for an Essendon supporter I know.

 

[ferball]

I think the point is that the Melbourne medical staff needed to be better. It absolutely should not be the player's call.

You'd hope that your medical staff could assess the potentially serious outcome and err on the side of caution.

Petracca said it was his decision. The AFL made rules preventing players from making their own call after concussion but its alot easier to identify head contact than to determine the seriousness of body contact. You can't completely remove a players agency. They aren't children.

Melbourne suck but you can't expect better from medical staff given they are relying on Trac to tell them what he's experiencing. There's no boundary test for a ruptured spleen that I know of. I even searched diagnosis of spleen inury to respond to this comment and its a bit hazy but involves abdominal swelling and pain and is usually associated with serious blunt force trauma like a car accident. Plus shoulder pain, pain in the ribs etc etc So if a Dr is assessing someone after a car accident or other serious trauma then swelling and pain are a red flag. But its happened three times in the last 20 years during an AFL match. Its not something I'd expect a doctor to associate with a footy collision the way they would with a car accident. The only certain diagnosis is a scan of some sort.

The places he grabs after the incident are not his abdomen where the pain and swelling would be expected.

Given he's punctured a lung that's not surprising.

The whole area is damaged but how do you separate potential organ damage from rib injuries which are painful when the symptoms for both are pain in the same region.

And for that matter how do you separate a lung puncture from broken ribs and intercostal injuries, except by watching the guy on field for five minutes?

What do you do? Take off every player in pain from a collision for 20 minutes? Have scanning equipment in the rooms? Maybe that... but its so rare that it seems a waste of resources.

 

[Only Forwards]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we start down a pathway to having things like ultrasound machines available at grounds.

Or at least a higher duty of care from medics at the ground.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

This was far worse than sending a bloke who’s suffered a head knock and has concussion back on the field.

But because it’s head related, no one will give a shit.

 

[LB2Snake]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we start down a pathway to having things like ultrasound machines available at grounds.

Or at least a higher duty of care from medics at the ground.

They’ve got all that stuff in the NFL I think……completely different financial bracket of course.