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Without going back over previous posts & certainly not an advocate for sacking the coach, but, who would be the best option for WC's next coach? Hypothetically for 2025? Current assistants, current coach out of contract?
Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Skip to 2024: Simpson coaching tenure officially ends
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sharps24
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Just a straight swap for Beveridge I reckon. Both contracted to 2025 and neither likely to last beyond that. Do a deal with the AFL and no-one pays any soft cap penalty. We get an interesting season of selection's that you can be sure have nothing to do with credits [or maybe anything else] and Bulldogs players finally get the motherly love they desperately crave. I predict if the respective boards have the balls to do this the two Wests face off in the big dance next October.
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Jedd Busslinger walking into his first day at the Eagles, keen to meet his new coach.
Compared with hawthorn we havent even started our rebuild.
Simmo had more than enough senior talent at his disposal to easily account for North last week. Elliot Yeo, Jeremy McGovern, Jake Waterman, Tom Barrass, Jack Darling, Liam Ryan, Andrew Gaff, Jamie Cripps, Dom Sheed, Liam Duggan, Jack Petruccelle and Tom Cole is a solid experienced team that dished up two friggen goals to three quarter time in front of a home crowd against a VFL basketcase. Even worse was to surge into the lead then lose despite all the momentum in front of a big home crowd. If that doesn't cry "not playing for the coach" then nothing does. The club keeps talking about "unacceptable" then just carries on accepting it.
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Hawthorn in 2024
L - R1 v Essendon (MCG) 83-107
L - R2 v Melbourne (MCG) 38-93
L - R3 v Geelong (MCG) 70-106
L - R4 v Collingwood (AO) 72-77
L - R5 v Gold Coast (GC) 56-109
W - R6 v North (Marvel) 113-68
L - R7 v Sydney (MCG) 42-118
W - R8 v Bulldogs (Marvel) 98-91
W - R9 v St Kilda (Tas) 58-53
L - R10 v Port (AO) 79-80
W - R11 v Brisbane (Marvel) 100-75
W - R12 v Adelaide (MCG) 107-80
W - R13 v GWS (Tas) 85-79
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1001 For v 1136 Against (88.1%)
Been on a tear with 5 wins from their last 6 and their only loss by a point to Port in Adelaide in a game they should’ve won had they not conceded 2 goals in the last minute. This has coincided with the return of Will Day from R7 onwards
Three of their wins have been by 5, 6 and 7 points
They’ve also only had 2 genuine away games (Gold Coast and Port) plus Gather Round and 2 home games in Tassie
So far they’ve used 34 players which is =8th highest with 2 other teams. By comparison we’ve used the 2nd most (38) behind only Richmond (40)
Jiath (4 games), Lewis (3 games) and Wingard (0 games) have been their most notable absentees
I don’t watch Hawthorn enough to know precisely why they’ve flicked the switch from easy beats to world beaters but, whilst there’s probably more to it than just Day returning, getting their best midfielder back has had an impact
Our best patch was R4 (Sydney) to R10 where we went 3-4 with a 6 point loss to Essendon. Either side of that we’ve been 0-3 before and after
The last 3 games have been the real disappointment and the difference between us feeling good about this season and wondering if there’s been any real improvement. A lot of that has been on the back of a misfiring midfield (without Kelly and Hunt for two of those games and Reid for one)
Without all of all best mids we struggle just like Hawthorn prior to R7 without Day
L - R1 v Essendon (MCG) 83-107
L - R2 v Melbourne (MCG) 38-93
L - R3 v Geelong (MCG) 70-106
L - R4 v Collingwood (AO) 72-77
L - R5 v Gold Coast (GC) 56-109
W - R6 v North (Marvel) 113-68
L - R7 v Sydney (MCG) 42-118
W - R8 v Bulldogs (Marvel) 98-91
W - R9 v St Kilda (Tas) 58-53
L - R10 v Port (AO) 79-80
W - R11 v Brisbane (Marvel) 100-75
W - R12 v Adelaide (MCG) 107-80
W - R13 v GWS (Tas) 85-79
6W-7L
1001 For v 1136 Against (88.1%)
Been on a tear with 5 wins from their last 6 and their only loss by a point to Port in Adelaide in a game they should’ve won had they not conceded 2 goals in the last minute. This has coincided with the return of Will Day from R7 onwards
Three of their wins have been by 5, 6 and 7 points
They’ve also only had 2 genuine away games (Gold Coast and Port) plus Gather Round and 2 home games in Tassie
So far they’ve used 34 players which is =8th highest with 2 other teams. By comparison we’ve used the 2nd most (38) behind only Richmond (40)
Jiath (4 games), Lewis (3 games) and Wingard (0 games) have been their most notable absentees
I don’t watch Hawthorn enough to know precisely why they’ve flicked the switch from easy beats to world beaters but, whilst there’s probably more to it than just Day returning, getting their best midfielder back has had an impact
Our best patch was R4 (Sydney) to R10 where we went 3-4 with a 6 point loss to Essendon. Either side of that we’ve been 0-3 before and after
The last 3 games have been the real disappointment and the difference between us feeling good about this season and wondering if there’s been any real improvement. A lot of that has been on the back of a misfiring midfield (without Kelly and Hunt for two of those games and Reid for one)
Without all of all best mids we struggle just like Hawthorn prior to R7 without Day
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Doubt its anything to do with Simmo but Naitanuis condition after his knees was terrible.
Yes I know he was a good ruckman but many feel like he could have been so much more.
Lose the weight and become an extra mid
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Yes I know he was a good ruckman but many feel like he could have been so much more.
Lose the weight and become an extra mid
ah well
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As Jake Waterman kindly volunteered during he week, it was 100% the forwards fault for not converting.
Goals converted by Jake Waterman: 3
Final scores for Jack Darling and James Cripps: 1 goal 3 a piece.
Absolute king.
Sure, what you say is close to true but let's not forget that Hawthorn are a couple of years ahead of us in their rebuild.
They played some horrible footy last year and the year before.
Not enough talent in the mid field and not enough accuracy in front of goals. Or though the midfield when they did give forwards a look the shot's were from fairly wide. Some small forwards would help.
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In fairness to Darling, two of those were bloody tight angles. 2.2 would have been a fair effort for him last weekend.
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You've convinced me. Darling gets a pass, I guess that means loss is on Cripps then? Oh boy.
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There were certainly some shots I'd expect to be able to convert
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The whole not having best 22 available excuse is weak and I think we've been using it as an out for way too long.
I'm watching teams like collingwood win games without even having a forwardline based on effort and system.
We've even had a pretty good run this year with availibility and we still can't play consistent football.
There has also been some real coaching head scratchers over the last month and it feels like Simpson has reverted to his old game style of trying to win the aerial contests and setting up our attacks from defense.
First there was the crows game were Simpson openly came out and said we can't travel and play away from home. It was a really weird way to go into a game and even at the time I didn't think it was a good thing to acknowledge. We then played like we had already been beaten before the bounce had even taken place.
Then in the Saints game we decided to bring in the old boys and go really tall. Surprise surprise we looked slow and got overrun.
Then instead of making changes against North who don't have any talls we decided to go in even taller and got smashed on the ground balls.
It has been a display of bad coaching and team selection over the last month, unless maybe we are trying to tank.
I think we need a fresh voice and some accountability for our senior citizens by getting a new coach. We should be going through the process of getting a new head coach now. Get a half a season head start and the jump on any other teams looking to replace their coach end of year. Would love to see Cox come back to club and be given a shot as head coach.
I'm watching teams like collingwood win games without even having a forwardline based on effort and system.
We've even had a pretty good run this year with availibility and we still can't play consistent football.
There has also been some real coaching head scratchers over the last month and it feels like Simpson has reverted to his old game style of trying to win the aerial contests and setting up our attacks from defense.
First there was the crows game were Simpson openly came out and said we can't travel and play away from home. It was a really weird way to go into a game and even at the time I didn't think it was a good thing to acknowledge. We then played like we had already been beaten before the bounce had even taken place.
Then in the Saints game we decided to bring in the old boys and go really tall. Surprise surprise we looked slow and got overrun.
Then instead of making changes against North who don't have any talls we decided to go in even taller and got smashed on the ground balls.
It has been a display of bad coaching and team selection over the last month, unless maybe we are trying to tank.
I think we need a fresh voice and some accountability for our senior citizens by getting a new coach. We should be going through the process of getting a new head coach now. Get a half a season head start and the jump on any other teams looking to replace their coach end of year. Would love to see Cox come back to club and be given a shot as head coach.
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I don't think it is true to say Hawthorn have been rebuilding for 6 years or 8 years or whatever. The rebuild only really started cooking with gas when Mitchell took over. Up until that point Clarkson was busy trying to execute a failed plan of doing a quick and dirty fake rebuild of trading in middle aged players from other clubs. Clarkson deserves a fair bit of blame for wasted time and other resources at that club in his last 5 years there.
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Andddd Simpson doesn't fall in that category?
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The giant contract until 2025 and the cost of paying that out?
I dont think so. A couple of free agents just to have a few names in the 24-28 year old bracket isnt just topping up to half ass a rebuild.
We will still need those guys once we lose the older brigade anyway, and not like they cost much or anything in terms of draft capital.
Brockman as a 21 year old for a pick in the 40s is reasonable too.
They were still rebuilding for a lot longer than us. The Hawks really started drafting in 2019 with Will Day. Most of their kids are at least 3 years in, their best mids are Day in his 5th year, Newcombe who is the same age as Day, and a couple of value picks in Worpel and Nash. Theyve drafted a heap of kids, including a bunch of mids in the first round since then who arent looking like theyll be stars at this stage.
They probably wasted some time, but removing Omeara and Mitchell when they did only really worked as well as it did because they had Day/Newcombe/Worpel all in their early 20s(equivalent to 4th year players). Our mids are teenagers still.
I guess you could look at it as when Chesser is in his 5th year, we will be at roughly the same spot as the hawks now(2 more years). I think we can beat that tbh
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