Universal Love Welcome to Richmond Adem Yze

[SunshineBoy]

The Board has known this was coming at the start of last year.
You think they have sat on the hands since then?

It looks like they have. Starting from finding a new ceo when they knew he was going last year , should be in place now for the handover , but still trying to shortlist

 

[Tiger Toffee]

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Adem Yze appears to be more a cheerleader than an AFL senior coach.

With Richmond’s fall from powerhouse to last on the AFL ladder now complete after just two wins in 17 rounds, the honeymoon is over for the first-year coach.

It’s clear Yze is desperate to be liked by his players and is afraid to publicly hold them accountable for unacceptable performances.

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The first warning sign of Yze’s soft approach came after Richmond were annihilated by 91 points against the Western Bulldogs in round nine.

After consecutive defeats of 43 points against Melbourne and 54 points to Fremantle, it would have been reasonable for Yze to criticise his players and send a message that meek performances would not be acceptable. Standards need to be set early in a new coaching regime.

Surprisingly, Yze appeared satisfied with his players’ efforts.

“I just spoke to our players about our effort, and I can’t fault our effort. The boys are trying. It’s like they are trying hard ... I’ve said this over and over that we can’t fault the effort; it’s just the execution and our tackle technique,” Yze said post-match.

This struck a concerning tone. Players could believe the coach was happy with their endeavours in a 91-point loss. It was not a shock that this disaster was followed by a season-high 119-point loss to the Brisbane Lions. At half-time, the score was 13 goals to two. The Richmond players had given up.

What did Yze expect after he had lowered the bar a week earlier? He had become a booster – and was slapped in the face for his cheerleading.

Yze’s approach contrasts sharply with that of successful coaches who don’t shy away from demanding the best from their players, even if it makes them unpopular.

The best coaches are respected, not necessarily liked, because they hold their teams to high standards. They push them to maximise their potential. Yze’s apparent fear of alienating his players seems to have created a lack of accountability. The result is Richmond’s dismal standing.

Former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick won six Super Bowl trophies with a demanding and sometimes brutal coaching style. This approach is detailed by former players in the documentary Dynasty, which explores the highs and lows of the Patriots across a 20-year period.

No matter what the score was, Belichick cared more about the things they were doing poorly than what they were doing well. He never let them get ahead of themselves.
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“Most of the coaches in the NFL are coaching football, but he’s coaching warfare,” says former player Donte Stallworth. In a rare recorded team meeting, Belichick lived this theme.

“Now look,” he says, “I’m not saying we are in a war here, but I’m just telling you, understand how one stupid play, one stupid penalty, one mistake, ends it for us all.”

This ruthless style may not resonate with today’s more sensitive generation, but most successful AFL coaches have a hard edge. They are not looking to make friends with their players.

Geelong coach Chris Scott and Sydney’s John Longmire would not dare praise their players’ effort after a 91-point smashing.

Three-time premiership coach Damien Hardwick did not spare his Gold Coast players after the two-point loss to North Melbourne: “It’s my job as a coach to sit there and demand better because at the moment we’re capable of beating the premiership favourites last week and then this week we let ourselves down.”

Hardwick put it all on the table: “I’m angry, to be fair. As a footy club we’ve got to grow the f--- up to be perfectly honest.”

After a 51-point loss to Fremantle in the same round, Yze approach was the polar opposite: “I just spoke to the players around their effort, I couldn’t doubt their effort... We never turned our toes up, even the way we finished the game. I thought we were equal [for] inside 50s and time in the forward half, things like that. I thought we played the right way, even through [there’s] some frustration, but yeah their polish was just too good.”

This suggests the coach is too comfortable with mediocrity.

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In another poor look, Yze celebrated a Shai Bolton goal in jubilation with his players on the bench. He is not a supporter. He is the coach and needs to act like one.

The Tigers’ next five seasons will be painful as they rebuild their list.

They need a coach who will drive them hard, hold them accountable, and refuse to accept anything less than their best. They need a coach, not a best friend.

Rebuilding coaches seldom last more than five seasons. Yze has no hope of bucking the trend unless he changes his approach.

Stopped reading at Kane Cornes

 

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Adem Yze appears to be more a cheerleader than an AFL senior coach.

With Richmond’s fall from powerhouse to last on the AFL ladder now complete after just two wins in 17 rounds, the honeymoon is over for the first-year coach.

It’s clear Yze is desperate to be liked by his players and is afraid to publicly hold them accountable for unacceptable performances.

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The first warning sign of Yze’s soft approach came after Richmond were annihilated by 91 points against the Western Bulldogs in round nine.

After consecutive defeats of 43 points against Melbourne and 54 points to Fremantle, it would have been reasonable for Yze to criticise his players and send a message that meek performances would not be acceptable. Standards need to be set early in a new coaching regime.

Surprisingly, Yze appeared satisfied with his players’ efforts.

“I just spoke to our players about our effort, and I can’t fault our effort. The boys are trying. It’s like they are trying hard ... I’ve said this over and over that we can’t fault the effort; it’s just the execution and our tackle technique,” Yze said post-match.

This struck a concerning tone. Players could believe the coach was happy with their endeavours in a 91-point loss. It was not a shock that this disaster was followed by a season-high 119-point loss to the Brisbane Lions. At half-time, the score was 13 goals to two. The Richmond players had given up.

What did Yze expect after he had lowered the bar a week earlier? He had become a booster – and was slapped in the face for his cheerleading.

Yze’s approach contrasts sharply with that of successful coaches who don’t shy away from demanding the best from their players, even if it makes them unpopular.

The best coaches are respected, not necessarily liked, because they hold their teams to high standards. They push them to maximise their potential. Yze’s apparent fear of alienating his players seems to have created a lack of accountability. The result is Richmond’s dismal standing.

Former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick won six Super Bowl trophies with a demanding and sometimes brutal coaching style. This approach is detailed by former players in the documentary Dynasty, which explores the highs and lows of the Patriots across a 20-year period.

No matter what the score was, Belichick cared more about the things they were doing poorly than what they were doing well. He never let them get ahead of themselves.
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“Most of the coaches in the NFL are coaching football, but he’s coaching warfare,” says former player Donte Stallworth. In a rare recorded team meeting, Belichick lived this theme.

“Now look,” he says, “I’m not saying we are in a war here, but I’m just telling you, understand how one stupid play, one stupid penalty, one mistake, ends it for us all.”

This ruthless style may not resonate with today’s more sensitive generation, but most successful AFL coaches have a hard edge. They are not looking to make friends with their players.

Geelong coach Chris Scott and Sydney’s John Longmire would not dare praise their players’ effort after a 91-point smashing.

Three-time premiership coach Damien Hardwick did not spare his Gold Coast players after the two-point loss to North Melbourne: “It’s my job as a coach to sit there and demand better because at the moment we’re capable of beating the premiership favourites last week and then this week we let ourselves down.”

Hardwick put it all on the table: “I’m angry, to be fair. As a footy club we’ve got to grow the f--- up to be perfectly honest.”

After a 51-point loss to Fremantle in the same round, Yze approach was the polar opposite: “I just spoke to the players around their effort, I couldn’t doubt their effort... We never turned our toes up, even the way we finished the game. I thought we were equal [for] inside 50s and time in the forward half, things like that. I thought we played the right way, even through [there’s] some frustration, but yeah their polish was just too good.”

This suggests the coach is too comfortable with mediocrity.

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In another poor look, Yze celebrated a Shai Bolton goal in jubilation with his players on the bench. He is not a supporter. He is the coach and needs to act like one.

The Tigers’ next five seasons will be painful as they rebuild their list.

They need a coach who will drive them hard, hold them accountable, and refuse to accept anything less than their best. They need a coach, not a best friend.

Rebuilding coaches seldom last more than five seasons. Yze has no hope of bucking the trend unless he changes his approach.

Written and authorised by noted click bait artist Kane Cornes and no surprises that it's being taken as gospel by those who would have less idea than Cornes when it comes to knowing what is happening inside the club because it suits their negative narrative.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

It looks like they have. Starting from finding a new ceo when they knew he was going last year , should be in place now for the handover , but still trying to shortlist

People assume they have.
Whats their motive for it?
To be shit for the next decade?
To run the club to the ground?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Nah mate you’re wrong the flags were all down to Dumma , he had no help , greatest coach ever

What's with the hate dude, i actually thought you were better than that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Excuse me what Cornes was stating is what the eyes and ears tell us. Well why didn't the club tell us them as in 2010 they told fans where the club was going? It Gave us hope and members bought into it and growth happened, debt become profits and long time failure became success. There was a large PDF given to us all back then. So why hasn't it happened? Why didn't they conduct a review back in 21 when we didn't make the 8 or definitely after last season? Everyone is asleep atm and when have you last heard a murmur of any positivity from Benny in where the club is heading. They've kept us ill informed recently so badly they can't even update us with proper player injury reports. If you're happy then you're basically at the 2016 level as your accepting poor results. It was when everything was reviewed that the success came. The 11% here that supported DH back then still haven't accepted the fact unless those changes after the review was made we still would be looking for our 11th flag.

Here is some information to enlighten you:

News - Revealed: The nine key points of Richmond’s internal review that turned the Tigers around

Revealed: The nine key points of Richmond’s internal review that turned the Tigers around IT’S the document that propelled Richmond towards one of the game’s most unlikely premierships. With the footy world drastically closing in on the Tigers last year, 30 pieces of paper helped set the club...

www.bigfooty.com

Winning Together - lessons from the Richmond Tigers - Porters CA

Business planning helps achieve your prosperity. If you want to win your business premiership, start with a plan and use a great coach.

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This is so right T, well done to you for this brilliant suggestion. In fact you should take it to all 18 clubs, it s sure to bring them all success at the same time.

 

[SunshineBoy]

People assume they have.
Whats their motive for it?
To be shit for the next decade?
To run the club to the ground?

Indecision , Fear from making a decision , which could be wrong, the biggest fear in corporate world .

They need to make a decision based on what they know , whatever decision they make will be right it may later be proven to be wrong but at the time is right .

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

They put a camel at training because it was suppose to motivate players during pre season , that no matter how hot it got a camel pushes through it
He removed gf memorabilia from one room as he said we can’t live in the past and wanted to create a new path etc but I think it was removed from a certain room but moved to another

Sack him

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Indecision , Fear from making a decision , which could be wrong, the biggest fear in corporate world .

They need to make a decision based on what they know , whatever decision they make will be right it may later be proven to be wrong but at the time is right .

What are you on about?
Just because they haven't announced who the new CEO is doesn't mean they have done their homework ffs.
Too much jumping at shadows.

 

[Livonski]

Think it comes down to the footwear.IMO.

No doubt. And our players who did ACLs all had the same footwear, which was different to all the other players in the AFL.
It's obvious.

 

[Muddiemoose]

ACL are being and have been studied at high levels at FIFA and UEFA , they don’t believe and have reported that there are a number of factors even the type of footwear worn during a game , if the average is 0.7 and we are running at 5 it’s not dumb luck, couple that to the “other” injuries it’s not bad luck , the correlation is it’s connected to strength and conditioning , over stressing the players etc .

If the club doesn’t review that part of its Organisation we are in for a world of pain

Club should be reviewing of course as they should continuously doing in good times and bad

But not sure if the data from study’s from soccer are super applicable either

The mechanics of both sports are completely different with soccer having a lot more lateral movement but afl players are unique to pretty much any other sport because they have that same lateral movement but combined with a lot more jumping and aerial impacts that can effect the way players land and that specifically seems like where most of the ACL injuries in footy come from

I believe, although I could be wrong but people are also more prone to doing an ACL injury after they have had one in the past

3 of the players who we currently have would fall into that higher risk category off the top of my head (Clarke, Lefau and Naismith)

Gibcus could of also been in a higher risk category because of his hamstring injuries last year so not necessarily the fault of anyone at Richmond per sae but more factors out of the clubs control

 

[TigerImposter]

Written and authorised by noted click bait artist Kane Cornes and no surprises that it's being taken as gospel by those who would have less idea than Cornes when it comes to knowing what is happening inside the club because it suits their negative narrative.

So tell us what's happening inside the club Mr. Positive? We are on the bottom of the ladder so yeah we can only go up now. . About the only positive I can identify. What Cornes said was actually right based on actual facts witnessed.
What is your argument against it if you think you know any wiser?

 

[TigerImposter]

Club should be reviewing of course as they should continuously doing in good times and bad

But not sure if the data from study’s from soccer are super applicable either

The mechanics of both sports are completely different with soccer having a lot more lateral movement but afl players are unique to pretty much any other sport because they have that same lateral movement but combined with a lot more jumping and aerial impacts that can effect the way players land and that specifically seems like where most of the ACL injuries in footy come from

Not true as this would be consistent annually with every club with similar numbers to ours. So why has it started recently and rampant in our club? We won 3 flags with the normal low numbers and then Meehan took over and all sort of soft tissue injuries escalated. I put up all the medical reports and studies on this in the injury thread months ago and S and C or lack of it is a factor in lots of sports and not only football.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Not true as this would be consistent annually with every club with similar numbers to ours. So why has it started recently and rampant in our club? We won 3 flags with the normal low numbers and then Meehan took over and all sort of soft tissue injuries escalated. I put up all the medical reports and studies on this in the injury thread months ago and S and C or lack of it is a factor in sports and not only Aussie Rules football.

I didn’t mention soft tissue injuries I was specifically talking about ACL injuries

Some rose coloured glasses re soft tissue injuries pre Meehan as well
Cotch, Prestia, Nank, Edwards I think even Riewoldt did like a 10 week injury at one stage

Or that game where Cotch and Edwards both did hammies


If you actually go back and look at the round by round injury reports during those years our soft tissue injury record wasn’t much better it’s just this year we have also copped a large amount of ACL and even breaks like Taranto

But don’t just take my word for it actually go back and have a look

 

[TigerImposter]

I didn’t mention soft tissue injuries I was specifically talking about ACL injuries

Some rose coloured glasses re soft tissue injuries pre Meehan as well
Cotch, Prestia, Nank, Edwards I think even Riewoldt did like a 10 week injury at one stage

Or that game where Cotch and Edwards both did hammies


If you actually go back and look at the round by round injury reports during those years our soft tissue injury record wasn’t much better it’s just this year we have also copped a large amount of ACL and even breaks like Taranto

But don’t just take my word for it actually go back and have a look

It doesn't matter as ACL and other soft tissue injuries are rampant this year and last year it was the latter bc we've had our players poorly prepared and even rushed back too early. Those players did suffer these, but were all able to come back and not suffer them repeatedly as some have since Meehan took over. Prestia has missed a large percentage of his career with them, but we managed him correctly to get him back when it counted. That's the difference. When you're VFL side is down to 5-6 listed AFL players as well as a dozen top up vfl players going down questions need to be raised . This can't be bad luck bc it's two years now where they've increased rather than minimised to the norm.

 

[Muddiemoose]

It doesn't matter as ACL and other soft tissue injuries are rampant this year and last year it was the latter bc we've had our players poorly prepared and even rushed back too early. Those players did suffer these, but were all able to come back and not suffer them repeatedly as some have since Meehan took over. Prestia has missed a large percentage of his career with them, but we managed him correctly to get him back when it counted. That's the difference. When you're VFL side is down to 5-6 listed AFL players as well as a dozen top up vfl players going down questions need to be raised . This can't be bad luck bc it's two years now where they've increased rather than minimised to the norm.

Nank has also missed games every season due to soft tissue injuries but hasn’t had any this year

No point picking individual examples

Like I said before actually go back and have a look at our soft tissue injury’s in the years people are claiming that we didn’t have them

I’m also not saying this year hasn’t specifically been bad, it’s been terrible but the rose coloured glasses applied to our premiership years is absolutely insane and highlights how lazy people are in drawing their conclusions about things

 

[TigerImposter]

Nank has also missed games every season due to soft tissue injuries but hasn’t had any this year

No point picking individual examples

Like I said before actually go back and have a look at our soft tissue injury’s in the years people are claiming that we didn’t have them

I’m also not saying this year hasn’t specifically been bad, it’s been terrible but the rose coloured glasses applied to our premiership years is absolutely insane and highlights how lazy people are in drawing their conclusions about things

That is one player it's not the high numbers we've experienced. Of course in such a high strain sport you're going to get these injuries, but it's the high numbers.

 

[SplintWhisky]

The Board has known this was coming at the start of last year.
You think they have sat on the hands since then?

Yes. From all outward appearances the fact that we don't appear to have a short list and there have been so many signals that Gale was going to leave to take the Tassie job would lead me to think we are sitting on our hands.

This is a large job and transition period and the fact that the Media don't have an idea who some of the candidates even are (beyond the initial speculation when Gale leaving was announced) is concerning.

 

[T4P]

Showing support for first year head coach who has had just about everything go wrong for him

Meanwhile Dimma is publicly giving the Suns a spray, telling the public that '[putting on] a Suns jumper [means] you have to play a certain way', telling them to 'grow the f*** up.'

What kind of a message does a coach whining to the media/public about their players not following orders send?

 

[SplintWhisky]

Nank has also missed games every season due to soft tissue injuries but hasn’t had any this year

No point picking individual examples

Like I said before actually go back and have a look at our soft tissue injury’s in the years people are claiming that we didn’t have them

I’m also not saying this year hasn’t specifically been bad, it’s been terrible but the rose coloured glasses applied to our premiership years is absolutely insane and highlights how lazy people are in drawing their conclusions about things

We have had longer term injuries to players from 2019 onwards. The difference being in those seasons, those players were able to get back onto the park and string multiple games together.

What we are appearing to have an issue with is the players are reinjuring themselves way too quickly.

 

[Muddiemoose]

We have had longer term injuries to players from 2019 onwards. The difference being in those seasons, those players were able to get back onto the park and string multiple games together.

What we are appearing to have an issue with is the players are reinjuring themselves way too quickly.

Agree with that but also could be a byproduct of our poor season win wise

Match committee could be pushing the envelope and pushing for players to return sooner and even ignoring the recommendations of the medicos when in like 2019 we had better depth to cover injuries and stronger team overall the MC could of been more inclined to give players that “extra week” so to speak

Even this year I feel our injury and player management has changed since earlier in the years with us being a lot more conservative about pushing players back

 

[Vassp]

Nah mate you’re wrong the flags were all down to Dumma , he had no help , greatest coach ever

YOURE 100% RIGHT, IT WAS A PERFECT STORM that got us those flags, cant be down to one or two people.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yes. From all outward appearances the fact that we don't appear to have a short list and there have been so many signals that Gale was going to leave to take the Tassie job would lead me to think we are sitting on our hands.

This is a large job and transition period and the fact that the Media don't have an idea who some of the candidates even are (beyond the initial speculation when Gale leaving was announced) is concerning.

Thats the key words.
We use to leak like a sieve years ago(Every time our coach would fart Caro would know about it).
Nowdays its silence.
Doesn't mean we're sitting on our hands on all aspects not just our hunt for a new CEO.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Thats the key words.
We use to leak like a sieve years ago(Every time our coach would fart Caro would know about it).
Nowdays its silence.
Doesn't mean we're sitting on our hands on all aspects not just our hunt for a new CEO.

 

[_RT_]

After 18 weeks do people really need to have it explained to them what is likely to have been happening inside the club this year?

1. First Year Coach
Yze has come in and inherited a list that was built to suit Hardwicks game style, so there was always going to be a period of assessment and adjustment as Yze looked over the list and tried to find the right mix of players that could execute his game style. After a rough start to the season, things started to settle as we headed into the game against the Swans and we were able to get the first win under Yze, then the injuries really started to pile up.

2. Injury Crisis
As part of the rough start to the season, we were dealt a series of unfortunate injuries, Gibcus did his 2nd ACL, Lynch ripped the hammy off the bone, Balta hurt his knee, Hopper had the knee issue then a hammy, Taranto broke his wrist, Prestia had soft tissue problems, Martin had calf issues, Trezise suffered a syndesmosis injury, Graham had soft tissue issues, Grimes hurt his wrist then a back complaint and it seemed every week it was another injury or 2 that was added to the list. At one stage we had 27 players to choose from and you need 26 just to submit an AFL side. So far 41 of 46 listed players have played a senior game this year, no wonder our consistency and confidence has been poor.

3. Confidence is shot
As the injuries and losses kept coming it's no shock that eventually it all became too much and we hit the wall performance wise and were blown off the park in both the AFL & VFL games. Now it would be very easy for a coach to rip shreds from the players in that situation, but what's the point, the players know that they are up against it already and a coach screaming and yelling at them isn't going to achieve a thing other than to destroy the little confidence that is left. So Yze take the approach of praising the side during this time to try and show them that he understands that it's not simply a case of the players not being good enough, but that circumstances have ruined any chance we had during this period to play the type of footy he'd like them to be playing.

4. 2nd win and improved performances
After that horror stretch where we lost by 9, 15 & 20 goals we rebounded against Essendon to get within 2 goals a week after the 20 goal loss, we followed that up by leading Geelong in Geelong for a half before they ran over the top of us, then beat the Crows in Adelaide to get our 2nd win, while the injuries still kept coming.

5. Another Tough Stretch
After our bye following the Hawthorn game, we have a 5 game stretch where we play the teams that sit: 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 7th & 6th on the ladder, while still trying to get our best players back on the park and playing. Little wonder that in the first 2 games we've lost by 61 & 51 points as we sink to the bottom of the ladder. As mentioned above we've used 41 players so far this year with just 2 players having played every game, the team that sits 17th has used 37 and has 9 players who've played every game.

6. List Assessment
As the year from hell has unfolded, Yze has been given the chance to take a good look at the players on the list, by seasons end he'll have a much clearer picture of just who will be part of the list moving forward and with a typical injury run chances are we'll start to see a more consistent level of performance and expectations will increase from Yze in terms of what is acceptable performances.

7. Relationship Building
This season has also allowed Yze to build relationships with the players and vice versa. What that means is that as his tenure continues the players will know that when he does give them a spray that it's deserved and not personal. The thing with old players like Cornes is that they are used to the old fire and brimstone approach from coaches where they were to be feared. That no longer works in todays game, where connection and understanding are more important than the fear and authoritarian approach.

2024 can be viewed as ground zero for the next era of the Richmond Football Club. Yze is the man who has been entrusted to lead the way as head coach and is 2/3 of the way through one of the toughest years any first year coach has had to deal with in terms of on field and off field issues derailing a season. Time will tell if he will be a successful coach or not and only fools would be making judgement on him at this stage. 2025 & 2026 will be the time when you can start making informed assessments on his coaching.