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We haven’t see a lot of the players picked up in the last 3 drafts, so we can’t really judge those.

The 5 years prior to that:

ND 2021
  • 4. N.Daicos (boom)
  • 45. Draper (bust)
  • 49. Murley (bust)
  • 52. Harrison (TBD)
RD 2021
  • 2 Dean (TBD)
  • 17 Chugg (bust)

ND 2020
  • 17. Henry (boom)
  • 19. Macrae (TBD)
  • 23. McInnis (TBD)
  • 30. Poulter (bust - although 28games in 4 seasons isn’t terrible for a pick 30)
  • 31 McMahon (bust)
  • 44 McCreery (boom)

RD 2020
13. Ginnivan (boom)

ND 2019
40. Rantall (bust)
45. Bianco (bust)
55. Ruscoe (bust)

ND 2018
13. Quaynor (boom)
29. Kelly (bust)
77. Bosenavulagi (bust)

ND 2017
6. Stephenson (boom)
39. Murphy (boom)
50. T.Brown (bust - although 28 games from a pick 50 isn’t terrible)

How many recruiters have done better with such a rubbish set of picks available to them?

Lol at Nick Daicos ffs you seriously counted him.

What talent or skill did it take to recruit Nick Daicos? Which of the other 17 recruiters would not have selected him?
 
Good riddance, don’t let the door that’s taller than 194cm hit you on the way out Dekka.

Hine has drafted a tonne of 193cm (Johnson, Maxwell, Goldsack, Mihocek, Dawes, Poulter to name a few)

But how many 194+ has he drafted?

Less than 10?
More than 10?
More than 20?
More than 30?

I count 29 …

Cochran
West
Smit
Steene
Begg
McMahon
Kelly
Keene
Tohill
Wilson
Madgen
Shade
Mitch McCarthy
Wyatt
Moore
Gault
Grundy
Cox
Hartley
Richmond
Ceglar
Witts
McNamara
Keeffe
Thoolen
Casey-Leigh
Reid
Brown
Frost
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Lol at Nick Daicos ffs you seriously counted him.

What talent or skill did it take to recruit Nick Daicos? Which of the other 17 recruiters would not have selected him?

He was drafted so he got included.

He was bid at pick 4.

There aren’t many busts at pick 4.

Hine picked a rising star at pick 6

Hine picked a Norm Smith medalist and 21+ year career player with pick 5.
 
Hine has drafted a tonne of 193cm (Johnson, Maxwell, Goldsack, Mihocek, Dawes, Poulter to name a few)

But how many 194+ has he drafted?

Less than 10?
More than 10?
More than 20?
More than 30?

I count 29 …

Cochran
West
Smit
Steene
Begg
McMahon
Kelly
Keene
Tohill
Wilson
Madgen
Shade
Mitch McCarthy
Wyatt
Moore
Gault
Grundy
Cox
Hartley
Richmond
Ceglar
Witts
McNamara
Keeffe
Thoolen
Casey-Leigh
Reid
Brown
Frost
[/QUOTE]
Hard to pick good ones when we miostly had no 1st or 2nd Round Picks
 
Hine years (National Draft)

#2 (2005) = Dale Thomas 🏆
#4 (2021) = Nick Daicos (F/S) 🏆
#5 (2005) = Scott Pendlebury 🏆🏆
#5 (2014) = Jordan De Goey 🏆

#6 (2013) = Matthew Scharenberg
#6 (2017) = Jaidyn Stephenson
#8 (2006) = Ben Reid 🏆
#9 (2014) = Darcy Moore (F/S) 🏆

#10 (2004) = Chris Egan
#10 (2006) = Nathan Brown 🏆
#10 (2013) = Nathan Freeman
#11 (2008) = Steele Sidebottom 🏆🏆
#13 (2018) = Isaac Quaynor (NGA) 🏆

#17 (2003) = Billy Morrison
#17 (2020) = Oliver Henry
#18 (2012) = Brodie Grundy
#19 (2012) = Ben Kennedy
#19 (2020) = Finlay Macrae
#19 (2022) = Ed Allan
#20 (2012) = Tim Broomhead
#21 (2005) = Danny Stanley
#23 (2004) = Sean Rusling
#23 (2005) = Ryan Cook
#23 (2020) = Reef McInnes (NGA)
#25 (2023) = Harry DeMattia
#28 (2006) = Chris Dawes 🏆
#28 (2022) = Jakob Ryan
#29 (2008) = Dayne Beams 🏆
#29 (2018) = Will Kelly (F/S)
#30 (2009) = Luke Ball 🏆
#30 (2014) = Brayden Maynard 🏆

#30 (2016) = Sam McLarty
#30 (2020) = Caleb Poulter
#31 (2007) = John McCarthy
#31 (2020) = Liam McMahon
#32 (2003) = Brayden Shaw (F/S)
#32 (2015) = Brayden Sier
#35 (2003) = Brent Hall
#35 (2016) = Callum Brown (F/S)
#37 (2005) = Jack Anthony
#37 (2023) = Tew Jiath
#38 (2012) = Jackson Ramsay
#39 (2004) = Travis Cloke (F/S) 🏆
#39 (2017) = Nathan Murphy 🏆

#40 (2019) = Jay Rantall
#44 (2006) = Brad Dick
#44 (2020) = Beau McCreery 🏆
#45 (2008) = Jarrad Blight
#45 (2010) = Alex Fasolo
#45 (2019) = Trent Bianco
#45 (2021) = Arlo Draper
#46 (2008) = Luke Rounds
#46 (2010) = Daniel Farmer
#47 (2007) = Toby Thoolen
#47 (2024) = Joel Cochran
#48 (2003) = Heath Shaw (F/S) 🏆
#48 (2014) = Matthew Goodyear
#48 (2022) = Joe Richards
#49 (2021) = Cooper Murley
#50 (2011) = Jackson Paine
#50 (2016) = Kayle Kirby
#50 (2017) = Tyler Brown (F/S)
#50 (2024) = Charlie West
#52 (2021) = Harvey Harrison
#55 (2004) = Adam Iacobucci
#55 (2019) = Trey Ruscoe
#56 (2024) = Will Hayes
#57 (2016) = Josh Daicos (F/S) 🏆
#58 (2015) = Tom Phillips
#60 (2003) = Julian Rowe
#60 (2010) = Kirk Ugle
#61 (2007) = Jaxson Braham (F/S)
#62 (2009) = Ben Sinclair
#63 (2006) = Tyson Goldsack 🏆
#63 (2015) = Rupert Wills
#65 (2011) = Corey Gault
#65 (2013) = Tom Langdon
#65 (2015) = Ben Crocker
#67 (2011) = Jarrod Witts
#73 (2008) = Leigh Brown 🏆
#75 (2009) = Josh Thomas
#76 (2010) = Paul Seedsman
#77 (2010) = Trent Stubbs
#77 (2013) = Jonathan Marsh
#77 (2018) = Atu Bosenavulagi (NGA)
#85 (2009) = Simon Buckley
#104 (2010) = Tom Young
You can hardly call picking up Luke Ball talent spotting
 
Runs on the board...

haha not for the last 7 years.

Would be a disaster for Tasmania.

This is the best News since Pies sacked Pert.

Depends on how you’re rating it. For example, if you’re looking at quality from the draft then there have been 33 players taken in those 7 years who rate B+ or better according to the current player rankings on Draft Guru. 28 (85%) of them come come from the 140 top 20 picks taken in that period.

Collingwood have taken 5 top 20 picks (the lowest number of any club) in that time and have 2x players ranked B+ or better (N Daicos; Quaynor), a success rate of 40% which is league best. Geelong (2/6) and StKilda (2/6) are next on 33%, GC (4/13) at 31% next. Those at <20% include Adelaide (0/9 0%), Brisbane(1/5 20%), Carlton (1/6 17%), Essendon (0/7 0%), GWSq(1/15 7%), Hawthorn (1/7 14%), North (2/10 20% & JHF who is one of theirs isn’t even there anymore), Richmond (0/7 0%), Sydney (1/7 14%), WCE (0/5 0%), and WB (1/8 13%).

There’ll be a lot of players taken in the last few years whose rankings will change, but I didn’t set the timeframe, just crunched the numbers.
 
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Lol at Nick Daicos ffs you seriously counted him.

What talent or skill did it take to recruit Nick Daicos? Which of the other 17 recruiters would not have selected him?
Well Brady Rawlings and the GWS recruiter make 2?
 

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Hine was one of the best in the business and unless we have someone of equal standing lined up it's the latest eroding of the team that helped us secure the 2023 Premiership. On paper it looks like a shit show with no Wright, Bolton, Hine, Leppitsch (in his assistant coaching role). Browne will soon depart also.

As for people already lauding Leppitsch in his role as list manager let's take a closer look.

1. His reputation has been earned in the role of assistant coaching. This is what we originally targeted him for.

2. He has no (or extremely limited) history in professional junior talent identification. Unlike Hine.

3. He's freshly minted in his role as list manager. He'll remain unproven until he isn't. We knew what we had in Wright when appointed.

4. Houston fell into our laps after Melbourne imploded off field and Carlton decided to prioritise the draft. Either of those two things don't happen then Houston is likely playing elsewhere IMO. Let's not forget also how Noble helped us acquire pick 13. Very very happy for it but it was dumb luck that all the stars aligned. Perryman will be a nice solid addition but let's not pretend it wasn't the pull of $800,000+ a year and playing for the club he supported as a kid that was the deciding factor. Membrey was surprisingly not wanted by St Kilda. Happy to have him but not sure we had to engage in a bidding war to get him.

5. As for the draft some people seem to be rating it (and by extension Leppitsch) simply because we took a couple of KPP at pick 47 and 50. I would suggest they spend more time asking why these players lasted until this stage and then accept if just one make it (including Hayes) then it would be a great outcome for such speculative picks. While the perception is Hine never drafts talls in reality his draft history is littered with KPP selections. The trouble is a lot were taken in the range of Cochran, West and later, it's why most fail at AFL level, most are quickly forgotten and why peoples expectations should be tempered once again.

While the perception is Hine never drafts talls in reality his draft history is littered with KPP selections.


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Recruiting father sons is no master-stroke.
They fell into his lap. I liked Hine though.

Not necessarily.

There were some we chose not to pick up.

And there were some we did pick up that didn’t turn out (Kelly, Barham, Browns)
 

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