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Also ... we can't win the flag because we took Frankie Evans as an SSP selection.
Can: Anything is possible
Can't: Antiquated 20 year old gameplan
Can't: Antiquated 20 year old gameplan
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A few people might have been right, we look slow and disorganised.
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Can: we're misfiring at present, but we're also trying a few different things and forcing people who haven't done it before to be the focal point. If you remember, in 2019-2020, Sydney had injuries and no other options than Tom Papley to kick goals for them, and they spent the entire first halves of both years with him one out. He's now the premier small in the comp largely because of that development. This also mirrors what Hardwick did in 2016 with Martin, in that their gameplan all season was give it to Dusty.
Restriction based training is a decent way to encourage specific behaviour, and right now it's focusing on Brodie Kemp.
If we can add a third tall to complement a firing Charlie and Harry, there's very few sides that can challenge us in the air inside forward 50. No threat can be ignored, provided all are willing to work for each other. Add this to midfield pressure, and there's a potential for bour burst to again be the most undeniable in the comp.
People can also point to Gov and Haynes as though they're always going to stuff it up, but this is a team that clicks. And when things flip from bad Carlton to good Carlton, these boys won't know themselves.
Can't: the midfield and ruck division simply isn't working without outstanding efforts from Cripps or TDK. And TDK espouses the overall problem: he looks ****ing amazing when winning the ball or tapping to advantage, but his kicks are wild and aren't at anyone in particular. In the absence of Newman, we have no-one in there who can lower their eyes and hit a target from 40m away.
The KPD's are still undersized, and we concede too many shots at goal from extreme close range; while everyone and sundry can get out kicking data, your opposition aren't going to miss many from the goalsquare, and easy goals raises confidence. You're more likely to nail that shot from 50m if you've just gotten a cheapie from 5m out.
Finally, everyone else has added to their 22. We haven't; if anything, we've gotten appreciably worse, relying on the last few years development to make up the shortfall. While this absolutely could happen, it will take some of the younger players - Campo, Cowan, Binns, Lord, Mots - time to truly reach that level, and even if they get there it will be hard for them to sustain it. Sneaking into the finals is what'll do it, but people don't win grannies from 8th.
Restriction based training is a decent way to encourage specific behaviour, and right now it's focusing on Brodie Kemp.
If we can add a third tall to complement a firing Charlie and Harry, there's very few sides that can challenge us in the air inside forward 50. No threat can be ignored, provided all are willing to work for each other. Add this to midfield pressure, and there's a potential for bour burst to again be the most undeniable in the comp.
People can also point to Gov and Haynes as though they're always going to stuff it up, but this is a team that clicks. And when things flip from bad Carlton to good Carlton, these boys won't know themselves.
Can't: the midfield and ruck division simply isn't working without outstanding efforts from Cripps or TDK. And TDK espouses the overall problem: he looks ****ing amazing when winning the ball or tapping to advantage, but his kicks are wild and aren't at anyone in particular. In the absence of Newman, we have no-one in there who can lower their eyes and hit a target from 40m away.
The KPD's are still undersized, and we concede too many shots at goal from extreme close range; while everyone and sundry can get out kicking data, your opposition aren't going to miss many from the goalsquare, and easy goals raises confidence. You're more likely to nail that shot from 50m if you've just gotten a cheapie from 5m out.
Finally, everyone else has added to their 22. We haven't; if anything, we've gotten appreciably worse, relying on the last few years development to make up the shortfall. While this absolutely could happen, it will take some of the younger players - Campo, Cowan, Binns, Lord, Mots - time to truly reach that level, and even if they get there it will be hard for them to sustain it. Sneaking into the finals is what'll do it, but people don't win grannies from 8th.
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Think about why teams “look slow”, is it leg speed or how the move the ball in transition?
It’s usually how effectively the extract the ball , hand it off to somebody & run to support.
Our guys aren’t running to support - that’s not a list thing - it’s a game plan / execution thing.
That comes from low confidence - defensive mindset.
It’s not built in!
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At this point I'm starting to doubt if I'll ever seen another Carlton premiership.
I've given up on this list. We're a full rebuild away from competing.
See you all in 2034.
I've given up on this list. We're a full rebuild away from competing.
See you all in 2034.
We will when a flag when the board is replaced with some members who can drive the necessary changes in the football department. The changes to all departments need to be wholisitic and not piecemeal & embrace a higher risk profile in regards to list management and coaching
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Question is contradicting?
We can’t both win and not win the flag?
We can’t both win and not win the flag?
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actually against Hawthorn we were running for each other but the ball carrier still kicked long instead of handballing to a team mate near them. First Crack showed that in their assessment of us.
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They need to train that first give - maybe throw a plus one around the contest.
Then run baby … ruuuunnnn!
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I'm still positive that all the above is correct but I will add a couple more now, as I was thinking we were changing.
Why we can't win
If we don't change our kicking game to include more run and carry. Need to run as a group and spread from the contest to receive. It has nothing to do with pace but structure and execution. We handball 1 metre to each other in congestion - need Williams to highlight this to our COACHES!!!!
Don't push our half forwards so far behind the ball and leave us exposed when moving forward with kicks. It's great to defend well but the opposition have players back double/triple teaming and then picking off our long bombs. Winning the ball at half back and through the midfield is great, but if we don't have the half forwards setup to take advantage, it's no use.
I'm interested in this one, what changes would you make
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We lose Newman. Docherty is recovering from a knee and could use matches and being behind the ball to give him his best chance to acclimatise...otherwise don't use him if he sucks that much. Docherty's best form over his football life is half back. He has never and i mean never showed anything anywhere else except a pass mark in a role (he has been bad in these roles too). At least at half back he has been good in the past.
Why did we draft Hollands and why have we given up on him on the wing? Doesnt have the body/nous for the defending component of half back. Does have potential for rebound which im ok with with. However, with our defending of goals....Carlton are inviting trouble here.
Again, why did we draft Hollands...it is doing my head in...draft a half back flank.
Kicking skills, defensive awareness/strength, speed, think you need at least 2 of those 3 traits to play as back flanker, not sure Ollie is completely competent in 1
I'd move him back to a wing rotation
I'd move him back to a wing rotation
Kemp back.
Jsos forward
Gov forward when required not back anymore liability
Walsh wing
O hollands wing
Doc retired ( as much as we love him)
Lord mid rotation full time
Moir in takes fog position
One of Carrol ( risky) OR Boyd half back.
Having run is our issue at the very least having two endurance animals on the wings will help.
And no more of this Cripps in the ruck,jsos did a great job a couple years back and could easily second ruck.
I don't mind most of them
Still don't trust Kemp as a defender
I prefer Gov forward as well, perhaps he could be our swing guy
No reason both Noyd and Carroll can't exist in the same team
Ollie, Jack, Moir spot on for me
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Common sense moves.
Would like to see how Kemp goes with both Harry and Charlie there first though before switching him back. If we had a solid 2nd KPD, then Kemp down back wouldn't be so bad... he's just mismatched by the stronger KPFs... along with some brain dead decision making at times.
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Doesn't have the kicking skills, has a little bit of defensive awareness in terms of tracking the ball and killing it in dangerous situations, and is quick, but not as quick as most small forwards (sadly, aside from ours).
The other factor I'd add is that those that have the first 2 but not the pace, are only effective if there is pace around them. Otherwise, they are just part of the problem.
Weitering is not quick, Cowan is not quick and Newman is not quick. These guys suffer when we stack our side with interceptors who can't defend well enough, and have enough pace for a 3rd tall, but not for a small defender.
Ideally, I'd have two tall defenders, one medium defender who can play a bit taller who distributes (Cowan/Newman), and 3 running defenders who can also lock down. We are so far away from this that we are trying anything.
I do wonder if the Ollie experiment is because he did okay in training against our own small forwards who are not quick (Durdin aside), and not particularly strong.
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Greater than 50% chance we can’t win so I cant think of any reason that suggests we can win it…
We can’t win because of an outdated game style that most opponents have worked out how to defeat.
Another reason is I don’t think we’ve got enough players with tge skill set required for tge modern game.
We can’t win because of an outdated game style that most opponents have worked out how to defeat.
Another reason is I don’t think we’ve got enough players with tge skill set required for tge modern game.
Deficiencies on our list, one paced midfield and forward line
Not enough speed and foot skills across the park
Not enough speed and foot skills across the park
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