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  1. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Of course it does. Richmond have lost 2 A graders (Dusty and Bolton) and 4 B graders (Grimes, Baker, Rioli and Graham) from their 2024 list and replaced them with kids (D graders). They enter 2025 with 0 A graders and just 9 B graders on their list. You can't expect kids (D graders) to play...
  2. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Of the names you listed only Pendles finished top5 in Pies 2023 BnF. Crisp, Sidey, DeGoey and B.Hill had their moments but weren't the blokes doing heavy lifting week in week out across the season. The point is we have a greater spread of B-graders who contribute. Across the 2023 finals it was...
  3. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    In reality majority of rankings are subjective and almost meaningless. The point being it isn't a Fadge view, or a Carlton fan just complaining about a B or C ranking. It is an unbiased source for player rankings. Carlton have the top end talent. More A graders than the Pies, and it has been...
  4. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    It is a projection of list quality for the upcoming season. Carlton have 5 A-graders for 2025, the equal most of any club (Melbourne and Brisbane the other teams with 5 A graders.) Cripps is rated as A+ for 2025, he might do his knee and only play 3 games. Is still an A+ level player though...
  5. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    I agree. Hewett is a B grader. Carlton's problem is a lack of B graders, and they got rid of Kennedy and Martin, two B graders they had in 2024. They have the most A graders of any teams in 2025, but poor B grade support.
  6. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Hewett and Kennedy both B graders
  7. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Draftguru applies a rating to all players on each list. WHE a B, same as Hewett. Carl Coll split below, which aligns with your position - Pies have much better depth (18 B+/B graders compared to just 13). And Carlton went kids (D grade) instead of trying to get some more depth in to support...
  8. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    C graders is harsh. Draftguru has them as B graders, which is fair. For comparison M.Cox and WHE are a couple the Pies B-graders.
  9. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    No the top 4 teams references the H&A ladder. The top 4 teams on the H&A ladder get the reward of a finals double chance and play each other in the two QFs. It is pretty simple
  10. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    That's what I thought when Carlton fans claim that the AFL creates a new ladder so they could pretend that Carlton have had a top 4 finish in the 21st century!!
  11. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Yep Carlton were gifted a top VFL country zone by former Carlton president Sir Kenneth. They unsurprisingly had a 20 year glory period from - 1968 to 1987. Once they had to compete without an advantage they have been the worst team in the AFL. Melbourne had a dominant 25 year glory period in...
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    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    ?? Who wrote that? Your logic seems to be that Port were the 2nd best team because they finished 2nd on the H&A ladder. The reality is Port got a soft H&A fixture that enabled them to finish 2nd on the H&A ladder. They were then shown up in finals by a "weaker" team. Unlike the 1960s, the...
  13. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    The ladder is no longer a reflection of "who is better", instead which teams were lucky enough to get an easier fixture. Port got the softest H&A fixture in 2024, but a Carlton fan thinks they were the 2nd best team because of where they finished on the ladder.
  14. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    If you haven't figured it out yet, the ladder is compromised based on different H&A fixtures. Port weren't the 2nd best team last year, but they got easiest H&A fixture and turned that into 2nd on the H&A ladder. Only Carlton fans think getting Port twice was a harder H&A match-up than getting...
  15. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Unlike Carlton's glory VFL era in the 1960s, teams no longer have the same H&A fixture where they play all other teams twice. So yes in 2024, Carlton got 4 games and 4 wins against historically inept teams and the Pies only played 2 games for 2 wins against them. Why would a Pie fan care that...
  16. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    No gotcha, you confirmed just another boring Bagger who sets timelines to start in the 1960s. Yes Sir Kenneth Luke gave you a cushy zone, and you had a golden era in the 60s and 70s. Hope you were old enough to remember it. Boring pissweak rinse and repeat banter that has no relevance to...
  17. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Where it counted?? HTH ain't where it counts?
  18. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Thought you were better than the rinse and repeat crusty old Bagger trolls. What happened 60 years ain't more relevant than what happened 100 years ago...both ancient history, and pissweak boring banter. Keep it modern or talk full timelines.
  19. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Had a poor year by our standards. But still beat Carlton twice
  20. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    You another Bagger who thinks footy only started in the 1960s? Boring piss weak banter
  21. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Thread is back on track with the usual rinse and repeat focus on the VFL era of 50 and 60 years ago. Glory days indeed
  22. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    For a human 🤣 Tall tales indeed 😜
  23. doppleganger

    Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

    Or DeGoey 2018 prelim mode.
  24. doppleganger

    Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

    Yep, JDG is def the barometer. In 2024 he was well below his best and the team was significantly poorer as a result. It was a combination of injuries and just not working hard enough without the ball. Hope we do a 50/50 type forward midfield split for JDG to manage him. Give some midfield time...
  25. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    Long John himself never averaged 270m in the mid 90s. Worms tall tales must make for fun story time
  26. doppleganger

    Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

    "Long John" Daly was driving 250-260m back in mid 90s and was the stand-out distance driver on the PGA tour. FMD - Bagger fans and their vivid memories of former glories. Time for a gif
  27. doppleganger

    Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

    For ALL clubs, a player is eligible if his father played 100 or more senior games for the respective club. Adelaide have picked up Jarman, Edwards and Welsh as sons of Adelaide Crows players who played 100 games. But despite being in the AFL for almost 35 years now, Adelaide still get to also...
  28. doppleganger

    Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

    Not sure about the bolded. It is great to add a quality player, but still think DeGoey/Moore are first in line after Naicos. Re italics, we need to improve the team if we want to win a premiership, simply hoping a kid steps up to fill Noble's role wouldn't improve the team. Houston was younger...
  29. doppleganger

    Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

    ?? In 2024, Pies had 10 players play more than 20 games and only 2 were over 30. Markov isn't even on the 2025 main list. The Pies had less of the 2018 PF team on the 2024 list than the Tigers did. In 23-24 it has been J. Daicos x 2, N.Daicos x 2, Cameron and Mitchell with top5 best and...
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