Spot onYeah for sure. It would be nice if small forwards are actually allowed to play attacking footy under the new coach or if their priority will still be guarding space and pressuring....
Kai Lohmann could be a good small forward target....
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Spot onYeah for sure. It would be nice if small forwards are actually allowed to play attacking footy under the new coach or if their priority will still be guarding space and pressuring....
Kai Lohmann could be a good small forward target....
Cumberland is the perfect example. He can do things others can't, creates goals from nothing. Plays tall and small. He has been marked way to hard. Small forwards don't fire every week.Yeah for sure. It would be nice if small forwards are actually allowed to play attacking footy under the new coach or if their priority will still be guarding space and pressuring....
Kai Lohmann could be a good small forward target....
Reckon we already have enough small and medium forwards. Leave Vlas where he is best. My opinion onlyThat’s what he has predominantly played as but I think he has what it takes to also play as a great forward ….. I think if we invest a full preseason in him as a forward he will really shine in 2024
Yep. Quality intercept defenders are hard to find so I'd be leaving him where he is. Particularly with the huge drop off in Grimes' form over the last 2 seasons.Reckon we already have enough small and medium forwards. Leave Vlas where he is best. My opinion only
Grimes had a great 21. In 22 we lose Astbury bring in Tarrant, Gibcus. Balta, and play Miller in the backline. Rioli for Short. Broad took quite a few marks in 22.Yep. Quality intercept defenders are hard to find so I'd be leaving him where he is. Particularly with the huge drop off in Grimes' form over the last 2 seasons.
Trade to Geelong for picks 25 and 43
Stewart's over hyped and Valstuin under rated, but Stewart is still slightly better IMO.Time for a bit of Vlastuin love.
Tom Stewart has played 7 seasons of AFL, all prime-aged years, and has 5 x AA selections. AA selectors obviously apply subjective judgements to who they select.
Nick Vlastuin has never been selected in the AA team......
Yet we move to the more objective player ratings.
Vlastuin career average rating is 10.13. This is above Stewart's career average of 9.37. But this includes Vlastuin playing in his developmental years 18-22yo, where Stewart never played AFL at that time of his life while his body was still developing.
Vlastuin's career rating from the age Stewart was when he entered the scene is about 11 v Stewart about 9.4.
They play quite similar roles. Stewart has rated above 12.0 across a season once. Vlastuin has done that twice. Stewart was selected in 2019 with an average player rating of 6.4. Vlastuin's lowest average rating EVER including his very first season at 18yo is 8.07.
Stewart was also selected in 2018 with an average rating of 9.2. Vlastuin has rated above this figure in 9 separate seasons.
This does pretty clearly demonstrate how biased the AA process is towards Geelong players and against Richmond players.
But how good are these guys when put to the test in finals?
Vlastuin finals player ratings through his prime years:
2022 15.6
2020 14.5 8.4 9.9 0.2(ko'd by Dangerfield in early minutes)
2019 9.8 10.5 11.1
2018 10.9 13.3
2017 11.1 6.4 10.2
Ignoring the 2020 GF for obvious reasons, Vlastuin averages a player rating of 11 across his 12 prime aged finals. Best of 15.6. Worst of 6.4. Median 10.7.
Stewart in his prime-aged finals:
2022 14.9 9.0 11.1
2021 -
2020 4.3 9.3 7.3 8.4
2019 15.6 6.6 8.8
2018 3.9
2017 1.0 4.0 4.4
Stewart averages a player rating of 7.8 across 14 prime aged finals. best of 15.6, worst of 1.0. Median 7.9.
So Vlastuin has proven a lot stronger finals performer.
Yet Vlastuin has been judged unworthy of even 1 AA selection, and Stewart is seemingly the most AA selectable player in history. Wtf is going on here?
Vlastuin has been a magnificently consistent and high performing player for us. And a tremendous finals performer. We should really appreciate that.
Stewart's over hyped and Valstuin under rated, but Stewart is still slightly better IMO.
The Champion Data ratings are garbage.Not judging by Champion Data's objective ratings system that considers every act a player does each game. Where you go through all of their key indicators, there is very little between them across their respective careers, but if you take Vlastuin just from the age when Stewart started playing in the AFL, Vlastuin probably goes ahead of him. Bar the fact Stewart has 5 x AA selections in 7 seasons and Vlastuin has no AA selections and only once in the squad, no fair person would have any real reason to say Stewart is a better player. So the 5 v 0 AA selections are laughably wrong. And we can see from their finals ratings I listed who has been the better player when that particular gun is held to their head. It is Vlastuin by a very clear margin.
Stewart is a very good player by the way, but not better than Vlastuin overall.
I also think the joke of stadium that is Cardinia park makes Stewart look better than he actually is . It funnels the incoming ball to the intercepting backman like no other groundTime for a bit of Vlastuin love.
Tom Stewart has played 7 seasons of AFL, all prime-aged years, and has 5 x AA selections. AA selectors obviously apply subjective judgements to who they select.
Nick Vlastuin has never been selected in the AA team......
Yet we move to the more objective player ratings.
Vlastuin career average rating is 10.13. This is above Stewart's career average of 9.37. But this includes Vlastuin playing in his developmental years 18-22yo, where Stewart never played AFL at that time of his life while his body was still developing.
Vlastuin's career rating from the age Stewart was when he entered the scene is about 11 v Stewart about 9.4.
They play quite similar roles. Stewart has rated above 12.0 across a season once. Vlastuin has done that twice. Stewart was selected in 2019 with an average player rating of 6.4. Vlastuin's lowest average rating EVER including his very first season at 18yo is 8.07.
Stewart was also selected in 2018 with an average rating of 9.2. Vlastuin has rated above this figure in 9 separate seasons.
This does pretty clearly demonstrate how biased the AA process is towards Geelong players and against Richmond players.
But how good are these guys when put to the test in finals?
Vlastuin finals player ratings through his prime years:
2022 15.6
2020 14.5 8.4 9.9 0.2(ko'd by Dangerfield in early minutes)
2019 9.8 10.5 11.1
2018 10.9 13.3
2017 11.1 6.4 10.2
Ignoring the 2020 GF for obvious reasons, Vlastuin averages a player rating of 11 across his 12 prime aged finals. Best of 15.6. Worst of 6.4. Median 10.7.
Stewart in his prime-aged finals:
2022 14.9 9.0 11.1
2021 -
2020 4.3 9.3 7.3 8.4
2019 15.6 6.6 8.8
2018 3.9
2017 1.0 4.0 4.4
Stewart averages a player rating of 7.8 across 14 prime aged finals. best of 15.6, worst of 1.0. Median 7.9.
So Vlastuin has proven a lot stronger finals performer.
Yet Vlastuin has been judged unworthy of even 1 AA selection, and Stewart is seemingly the most AA selectable player in history. Wtf is going on here?
Vlastuin has been a magnificently consistent and high performing player for us. And a tremendous finals performer. We should really appreciate that.
The Champion Data ratings are garbage.
Yeah, the eye test.All ratings systems will have flaws. AA selections are one of the most flawed. CD ratings are likely to be the least flawed imo. This is because they are objective, and don't miss things you would miss with any combination of relying on your eyes or what commentators say.
CD ratings in 2023(10 games or more, average player rating):
Top 10 mids:
1 Bontempelli
2 Liberatore
3 Butters
4 Petracca
5 Anderson
6 Oliver
7 Merrett
8 Uniacke
9 Gulden
10 N Daicos
Top 10 forwards who played vast majority forward:
1 Greene
2 Curnow
3 Walker
4 Martin
5 Rankine
6 Daniels
7 Heeney
8 Daniher
9 Hawkins
10 Dylan Moore
Top 10 defenders:
1 Sinclair
2 Houston
3 Sicily
4 Blakey
5 Darcy Moore
6 Sam Taylor
7 Andrews
8 Short
9 Barrass
10 Vlastuin
Sometimes there are blurred lines around the roles of some of these players, and you could break it down further to key forwards/defenders and medium forwards/defenders and so on. You could argue around a player here or there or what position players should be in the order, but I watched a fair bit of footy this season and those ratings seem very credible to me.
Could you come up with a better system of rating players?
Leadership wins flags and Vlaustin has that in spades compared to the sniper and that's why we won 3 and they won only 1. I would take vlaustin every single day of the week if I wanted to build a team to win a flag. I'd take Stewart if I wanted someone to hit people behind play and to wear a meaningless jacket once a year.Stewart is better than Vlastuin. Don’t need stats to tell you that. But who cares, Nick is a great player.
I also think the joke of stadium that is Cardinia park makes Stewart look better than he actually is . It funnels the incoming ball to the intercepting backman like no other ground
If footy was played on a computer than these ratings would be great.
Vlas is great but Stewart significantly better.
Yeah, the eye test.
Averages more marks 7 to 5.7In what way is Stewart significantly better than Vlastuin?
The playing partIn what way is Stewart significantly better than Vlastuin?
I'll give you 10 good reasons.Why?