Retired #10: Angus Brayshaw – retired due to concussion (22/02). Thanks for everything, Gus.

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Sylvia Saint said:
Surely there's no hiding a player out on the field. This isn't under 12s. There are contests and bodies flying around everywhere on the field.

Feel like it will be a long time, if ever, before we see Gus play to his potential.
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Yeah, don't really get that statement. He is at risk every time he walks out onto the field regardless of position.
 
Sylvia Saint said:
Surely there's no hiding a player out on the field. This isn't under 12s. There are contests and bodies flying around everywhere on the field.

Feel like it will be a long time, if ever, before we see Gus play to his potential.
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They're just letting him play a more outside role to get his confidence back, non issue
 
Sylvia Saint said:
Surely there's no hiding a player out on the field. This isn't under 12s. There are contests and bodies flying around everywhere on the field.

Feel like it will be a long time, if ever, before we see Gus play to his potential.
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Makes perfect sense. It's a numbers game with head injuries, the fewer knocks you cop the less likely it is that you'll cop the bad one
 

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Yeah don't understand it either, as a back you will be forced to stand in front of leading forwards and packs. Sure he might not stick his head into the contest but he is still at just as much risk.

Guessing he is going to be given a free role at the HBF to receive and kick as often as possible
 
Topkent said:
Yeah don't understand it either, as a back you will be forced to stand in front of leading forwards and packs. Sure he might not stick his head into the contest but he is still at just as much risk.

Guessing he is going to be given a free role at the HBF to receive and kick as often as possible
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I think so too, I think its a decent role to give him some confidence. The HBF is the easiest position on the ground to accumulate possessions, he should be able to show off his kicking on both sides and reasonable dash.
 
Topkent said:
Has a little of the Kossies about him, I think his peripheral awareness is quiet poor
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Probably because his head is so large and his eyes are so close to the centre of his face
 
Does anyone know if he's wearing headgear? Would be daft not to with his recent history / luck.
 
Cannon82 said:
Does anyone know if he's wearing headgear? Would be daft not to with his recent history / luck.
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There was an article that said that his head is literally too large for headgear. At any rate it doesn't actually help that much with brain injuries
 
Gysberts2Bate said:
There was an article that said that his head is literally too large for headgear.
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If my professional sporting career were on the line, I'd consider having something custom made. I know he has a large bonce on him, but I'm almost certain there's enough padded material in the world to circumnavigate his noggin.

Gysberts2Bate said:
At any rate it doesn't actually help that much with brain injuries
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Reducing the impact wouldn't help? Where did that come from?
 
Sylvia Saint said:
Surely there's no hiding a player out on the field. This isn't under 12s. There are contests and bodies flying around everywhere on the field.

Feel like it will be a long time, if ever, before we see Gus play to his potential.
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Maybe the club has stats that show that starting square midfielders receive more concussions that HBs?
 
Gysberts2Bate said:
Makes perfect sense. It's a numbers game with head injuries, the fewer knocks you cop the less likely it is that you'll cop the bad one
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Exactly, you can't eliminate the risk but can mitigate it by reducing exposure to the hazard.
 

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Cannon82 said:
If my professional sporting career were on the line, I'd consider having something custom made. I know he has a large bonce on him, but I'm almost certain there's enough padded material in the world to circumnavigate his noggin.



Reducing the impact wouldn't help? Where did that come from?
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I am not a doctor.

But as an engineer, I would guess that the deceleration of the skull (how 'quickly' it goes from moving, to stationary, to rebounding back the other way) during and immediately following a collision, plays some role in determining how severe the impact between the brain and the inside of the skull is. Like a crumple zone in a car, I'd suggest a padded helmet could absorb some energy and extend the duration of the collision, reducing the g-force on the skull and potentially resulting in a lower impact between skull and brain. It does seem a bit strange when people (admittedly including medical experts) say that wearing a helmet would have no positive effect.

There would have been research done into this. Perhaps the research has shown that for the available designs and padding materials, there is some threshold of thickness below which there is basically no effect? If that threshold was say 40mm or something, it might be impossible to play with something that thick strapped to your bonce...

Either way I too find it strange and would love to see the data that lead to the conclusion.
 
old55 said:
Maybe the club has stats that show that starting square midfielders receive more concussions that HBs?
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Thinking of the blokes lately who have retired from concussion
Lumumba
Clarke
Bail
Richards

Everyone is stationary at the Centre bounce, it's probably the safest place
 
Cannon82 said:
Reducing the impact wouldn't help? Where did that come from?
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AFL itself has a statement about helmets and concussion - I read it recently but can't recall where - which essentially says that research hasn't been able to show that the helmet has a significant (or any???) role in reducing risk of concussion.

I think studies vary. More work required I guess. I would wear the damn thing anyway. If it can even marginally slow the speed of a brain sloshing into the side of the skull then I'd give it a burl.

Edit: oh here is the bizzo I read: http://www.aflcommunityclub.com.au/index.php?id=883
 
stretcharmstrong said:
I am not a doctor.

But as an engineer, I would guess that the deceleration of the skull (how 'quickly' it goes from moving, to stationary, to rebounding back the other way) during and immediately following a collision, plays some role in determining how severe the impact between the brain and the inside of the skull is. Like a crumple zone in a car, I'd suggest a padded helmet could absorb some energy and extend the duration of the collision, reducing the g-force on the skull and potentially resulting in a lower impact between skull and brain. It does seem a bit strange when people (admittedly including medical experts) say that wearing a helmet would have no positive effect.

There would have been research done into this. Perhaps the research has shown that for the available designs and padding materials, there is some threshold of thickness below which there is basically no effect? If that threshold was say 40mm or something, it might be impossible to play with something that thick strapped to your bonce...

Either way I too find it strange and would love to see the data that lead to the conclusion.
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Crumple zone of the car is exactly the way I thought of it, too. Admittedly there might be relatively little energy dissipated using normal headgear, but if that's the case, I'm sure they could come up with something ludicrously bulky and embarrassing for a player to wear that would provide more protection. I find it hard to believe that boxers go out wearing headgear to keep their brain intact but AFL footballers aren't going to derive any benefit from it.
 
Cannon82 said:
Eh, I read "no definitive evidence" as there being no competent / conclusive studies carried out yet. Mitigating concussions is a relatively fresh field of study in football, I guess.
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Yeah I read it that way too. The crumple zone car analogy is a good one - If the speed of the brain travelling is slowed at all by the impact first being with a helmet before the skull, then you would have to surely conclude that it's worth further work. I am however speaking from the not a doctor club recently established here though.
 
Great timing for Angus to be featured in the Demons calendar for May.
 
He's playing this weekend at Casey.

Meanwhile, Goodwin confirmed youngster Angus Brayshaw was set to return for Casey this weekend after missing the past two weeks with concussion.

“He’ll play this week in the VFL, so it really was precautionary the last couple of weeks to make sure he was over his concussion issues,” he said.

“He’s looking forward to playing and he’s had two weeks of training, and we’ll get him back playing and probably play him in a slightly different position [down back] and ease him back that way.”
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http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-05-11/goodwin-eager-to-see-contested-battle
 
Proper Gander said:
Yeah I read it that way too. The crumple zone car analogy is a good one - If the speed of the brain travelling is slowed at all by the impact first being with a helmet before the skull, then you would have to surely conclude that it's worth further work. I am however speaking from the not a doctor club recently established here though.
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Isn't there a bunch of stuff on this with head gear in boxing not reducing the concussion/later problems rates? NFL have had some studies say it actively makes it worse due to leading with the head.
 

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Retired #10: Angus Brayshaw – retired due to concussion (22/02). Thanks for everything, Gus.

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