1st round draft pick 2010

[SHURN]

Regardless of whether we account for brisbane this weekend, we are going to end up with pick 4/6.
Personally, I don't think the club would allow Worsfold to trade away our 1st pick unless the offer was too good to refuse. I also don't think Worsfold would risk his already fragile reputation by trading when it is imperative we continue our rebuild.
Having said that, who would be looking to snag at pick 4/6.
I haven't done a lot of research but the kid Atley (spelling?) looks like someone we could use. Has decent speed, good in traffic, nice size, and skills look above average.
So, who is in the mix?

 

[WCE_phil]

If drafting for needs i want gorringe,polec or atley in that order.

If drafting purely on talent then it would probably be gaff or atley at 4 and atley or polec at 6.

If i had my way i'd be trading out our first pick in some form of deal for either matera,rich,hill or ryder or just straight up drafting gorringe.

 

[Galileo9]

If drafting for needs i want gorringe,polec or atley in that order.

If drafting purely on talent then it would probably be gaff or atley at 4 and atley or polec at 6.

If i had my way i'd be trading out our first pick in some form of deal for either matera,rich,hill or ryder or just straight up drafting gorringe.

I agree with Gorringe. a ruckman that is capable in forward line. at moment we have two ruckman who can only really ruck.

id still take darling at no.4. people complain that he is 190cm as opposed to 192cm. he is imposing and can take a contested mark. thats more of a key than actually what height he is. extra height isnt helping Kosi thats for sure.

 

[Prem87]

I agree with Gorringe. a ruckman that is capable in forward line. at moment we have two ruckman who can only really ruck.

id still take darling at no.4. people complain that he is 190cm as opposed to 192cm. he is imposing and can take a contested mark. thats more of a key than actually what height he is. extra height isnt helping Kosi thats for sure.

It will be interesting to see if Darling has grown when he gets measure at draft camp. Like you said it doesn't really matter in the end when you are solid like a mini Brown and can take a damn good contested mark. Our forward line really needs a focal point deep and Darling or a Gorringe is what we need.

 

[SHURN]

Just looked at a bit of footage of Gorringe, Atley and Polec,
It would be an unpopular choice on this board but I think Gorringe looks a great bet at 4. Gold Coast will definitely take him at 5 if available.
Listed at 198 but that will probably reach 200cm at least. Handled the ball beautifully in the wet. Great goal sense.
Would compliment Naitanui as our Ruckman/forward beautifully. Moves a little like Kreuzer.
If we are rebuilding long term, Gorringe is the bet. Also, if we commit to Gorringe, all of a sudden Gold Coast prick their ears at the sound of Cox. We could grab one of their late first rounders.
Very hard to make calls based on limited footage but Gorringe would be a great long term addition.

 

[Underdog]

I'd rather a genuine FF rather then a part-time ruckman and part-time FF

 

[ziad]

Just looked at a bit of footage of Gorringe, Atley and Polec,
It would be an unpopular choice on this board but I think Gorringe looks a great bet at 4. Gold Coast will definitely take him at 5 if available.
Listed at 198 but that will probably reach 200cm at least. Handled the ball beautifully in the wet. Great goal sense.
Would compliment Naitanui as our Ruckman/forward beautifully. Moves a little like Kreuzer.
If we are rebuilding long term, Gorringe is the bet. Also, if we commit to Gorringe, all of a sudden Gold Coast prick their ears at the sound of Cox. We could grab one of their late first rounders.
Very hard to make calls based on limited footage but Gorringe would be a great long term addition.

you have got me interested. He will be hitting is straps as Cox retires. We can not have two kids in the rick -how is Sullival going?

Just when i thought small fowards were all the go

 

[PRANKSTER666]

No to another ruckman, we have a very exciting prospect in NicNat, we should however get another one on our list somewhere as backup, maybe even a mature recruit.

How many ruckman are genuine options at FF anyway, the view that they could play forward is a horrible idea.

We are not in the position to draft on a needs basis with our first pick, so we should target best available.

IMO that would be Gaff, but everyone has differing views.

I have a feeling we will draft Darling though, and his height does not worry me, there have been plenty of great FF smaller than 190, but he must have speed off the mark, so will be nice to see his DC results.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

No to another ruckman, we have a very exciting prospect in NicNat, we should however get another one on our list somewhere as backup, maybe even a mature recruit.

You could be on the money here - particulary a Rookie spot.

The role of the part-time ruckman is almost become a specialty position - and one which allows the jack of all trades to thrive.

Leigh Brown, Kepler Bradley have done quite well in the position this year. Even the likes of Tom Hawkins and Justin Westhoff have played their best footy out of the ruck.

NicNat should lead our ruck for a decade and we will need a ready made replacement to cover for him should he go down.

 

[WCE_phil]

No to another ruckman, we have a very exciting prospect in NicNat, we should however get another one on our list somewhere as backup, maybe even a mature recruit.

How many ruckman are genuine options at FF anyway, the view that they could play forward is a horrible idea.

We are not in the position to draft on a needs basis with our first pick, so we should target best available.

IMO that would be Gaff, but everyone has differing views.

I have a feeling we will draft Darling though, and his height does not worry me, there have been plenty of great FF smaller than 190, but he must have speed off the mark, so will be nice to see his DC results.

Darling reminds me of fev. Ever so slightly undersized but a good mark and solid athletically. The part that makes him seem more and more like fev is that he seems like a ****head and has a cancer of a personality. If treated right and developed properly could be a huge asset. If incorrectly developed then he will end up with fevalenko styled issues.

Gorringe to my mind is very similar to kosi. That is if you were to actually give kosi a brain and the ability to read the play.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Problem with Gorringe is the same problem we have with Cox and NicNat, trying to play both in the same time which is have negative effects on both.

Gorringe may be a better option than those two up forward but certainly not a long term option, would fit beautifully in Woosha's too tall forward line philosophy.

If we are confident that Darling could hold down FF, then I don't have a problem drafting him, but I don't want another utility type if he can't. Unlike Gorringe he would at least provide pressure up forward when the ball hits the ground.

As far as I'm concerned Gaff has everything in a player you could ask for minus blistering speed.

As I posted elsewhere:

I really think Gaff would compliment the young midfielders we have drafted over the past 3 years and add some real class outside. He's the guy you want to have the ball in his hands when you spread.

He's a big accumulator who reads the play really well, makes good decisions, has a big tank and nice foot skills and could really prove to be the link up player we need. If that ain't enough he can get his own ball too.

 

[WCE_phil]

Problem with Gorringe is the same problem we have with Cox and NicNat, trying to play both in the same time which is have negative effects on both.

Gorringe may be a better option than those two up forward but certainly not a long term option, would fit beautifully in Woosha's too tall forward line philosophy.

If we are confident that Darling could hold down FF, then I don't have a problem drafting him, but I don't want another utility type if he can't. Unlike Gorringe he would at least provide pressure up forward when the ball hits the ground.

As far as I'm concerned Gaff has everything in a player you could ask for minus blistering speed.

As I posted elsewhere:

I really think Gaff would compliment the young midfielders we have drafted over the past 3 years and add some real class outside. He's the guy you want to have the ball in his hands when you spread.

He's a big accumulator who reads the play really well, makes good decisions, has a big tank and nice foot skills and could really prove to be the link up player we need. If that ain't enough he can get his own ball too.

Gaff is everything you want in a player if you dont already have masten,ebert,stevens and scooter on your list. He's a lot more inside than outside imo and as far as ability and playstyle goes i think he's very similar to ebert. If we go down the midfielder path i would much prefer polec or atley.

 

[new breed]

Jack Darling I would say because he will be strong enough for AFL straight away , plus we may trade / delist a tall forward or two ie Hansen / Wilson / Lynch and Darling would be a good replacement . He may turn out gold or another Lynchy .... worth the risk !

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I disagree that he is like those 4 you mentioned who are all specifically inside mids.

Gaff can get his own ball but he is a distributor unlike those guys and he is someone who you want receiving handballs and distributing to leading forwards or pinpointing passes in the corridor.

Like Dal Santo he is somebody who you want to get the ball to as much as possible because he uses it so well.

I am still very concerned who we are going to play at FF next year, or the following year if we don't draft Darling...

 

[sTeeL]

We need another option in case Notte doesn't make it. I think Gorringe should be the plan. Cox wont be around forever and if Notte doesn't make it, there isnt another player other than perhaps Brown who could occupy FF.

 

[Marlin01]

To those against selecting a ruckman/FF, what do you see as the ideal rucking set-up?

Personally, I think you need 1.5 ruckmen in the team. Going into a game with 2 ruckmen means one is sitting on the bench for 70-80% of the game. To me, that's a huge waste of a rotation.

 

[Underdog]

To those against selecting a ruckman/FF, what do you see as the ideal rucking set-up?

Personally, I think you need 1.5 ruckmen in the team. Going into a game with 2 ruckmen means one is sitting on the bench for 70-80% of the game. To me, that's a huge waste of a rotation.

I'd prefer a third tall that could ruck like a Notte. That way you don't mess up your forward structure every time Nic needs a rest.

Collingwood successfully do it with Leigh Brown allowing Dawes and Cloke to remain as key forwards.

 

[Aarick13]

the only problem i see with drafting a midfielder is that we already have priddis, a.selwood and kerr. and it would seem that woosha will persist with them since we haven't seen anything this year to show differently. if we get a gaff/atley/polec they need to start in the middle right away which i don't think will happen, esp if masten and shuey have a big pre season.

i wouldn't take gorringe unless cox gets traded even then i wouldn't really want to take him at number 4.

darling would make a lot of sense, he would give us a big forward to kick to and it would help in releasing lecras up the ground, lessening the need for a mid.

 

[worsfold]

We haven't drafted a quality KP since 2006 -yes we got kennedy but seeing how they take so long to develop I would say we need to do so again. Soon we want have the services of Glass, Hansen, Lynch so and injury to Brown, Kennedy, Mackenzie is what we need to cover. weather we do so in round 1 will be based on best available.

2005 - Hurn, Mckinley, Spangher
2006 - Brown, Mckenzie, Houlihan, Schofield
2007 - Masten, Ebert, Notte, Selwood + Kennedy, Stevenson, Wilson, Sulivan,Wilkes, Priddis
2008 - Nick Nat, Shuey, Swift, Smith, Jones, Mcginnity
2009 - Sheppard, Weedon, Stevens, neates, Hams, strijk, Jon, Broome

 

[tesseract]

If WC pick Gorringe, he'll play at FF and relieve NicNat in the ruck. WC have to discern if Gorringe is a viable option at FF. His U18's games says it's so, but can that translate to AFL.
I wouldn't want Gorringe if he has the competency of Cox at FF. If Gorringe could be another Kurt Tippett, who's a competent FF and part time ruck, then he's an automatic pick. WC would want to be pretty certain if they go down this path though.

If Gorringe is not the plan, WC need a midfielder who's predominantly outside. WC need a receiver, who can run and carry, someone to play forward of centre and kick goals. Polec seemingly fits that bill, but he has question marks over not getting enough of the ball. That's not a big issue, IMO. For someone who plays outside, he'll be reliant on the work of our inside brigade.

If WC plan to select Gorringe with their 1st pick, Cox should be traded, so as to take a double dip in the 1st round. WC can take Gorringe and an outside midfielder with early picks. Both players likely to be of the quality required to be of benefit in our rebuild and future plans to move the club forward.
WC could then use Sullivan or Lynch in a rucking role till Gorringe is AFL ready.

This draft should be looked upon as a needs based draft. WC can't afford to take anymore inside midfielders, just because they're the best at our pick. We have quite enough already. WC need diversity in their midfield now. Run and carry, outside types is the order of the day.

Like Sheppard, if Atley can play on a wing, he'd have to be right up there as an option. But will he kick goals in such a role. WC severely lack midfield goal kickers. Our future selected outside types must be able to contribute to goal scoring. No more HBF/wing, link up, defensive wingman. WC will continue to kick low, non-winning scores unless the deficiency of goal kicking midfielders can be rectified.

 

[Lach72]

To those against selecting a ruckman/FF, what do you see as the ideal rucking set-up?

Personally, I think you need 1.5 ruckmen in the team. Going into a game with 2 ruckmen means one is sitting on the bench for 70-80% of the game. To me, that's a huge waste of a rotation.

Youe have a point...we have been trying Zac Clarke at FF EP to add morfe strings to his bow

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Darling reminds me of fev. Ever so slightly undersized but a good mark and solid athletically. The part that makes him seem more and more like fev is that he seems like a ****head and has a cancer of a personality. If treated right and developed properly could be a huge asset. If incorrectly developed then he will end up with fevalenko styled issues.

Gorringe to my mind is very similar to kosi. That is if you were to actually give kosi a brain and the ability to read the play.

Thats a load of crap Phil.

Jack Darling was supsended from school camp from mucking up once.

This myth that he's a headcase is far from the mark, everyone at West Perth agree's he none of those things.

Its big footy bullshit, dont get suck in on it.

I was one of the first to say he would slide earlier in the year.

But have changed my mind recently after speaking to a few recruiter's who have been pretty happy with his form for west perth over the last few weeks.
Especially his work of the ball, and the fact he is looking better when the ball is below his knee's.

I would now be happy if WCE used pick 4 on Jack Darling.

If not Darling, would like Atley as he fills a need.

We should be trading for Brandon Matera as he will have a very good first year of AFL footy.

 

[run2dmax]

If WC plan to select Gorringe with their 1st pick, Cox should be traded, so as to take a double dip in the 1st round. WC can take Gorringe and an outside midfielder with early picks. Both players likely to be of the quality required to be of benefit in our rebuild and future plans to move the club forward.
WC could then use Sullivan or Lynch in a rucking role till Gorringe is AFL ready.

I endorse these thoughts. No idea of how good Gorringe is, but if he fits this role, then this is a good plan. I'd hate to see Cox go, but I really feel that we'd do better to get a good pick for him now, to win a premiership in 3-4 years, rather than holding onto him.

 

[Kerr04]

I think the club has there eye's on either Rich or matera to use there 1st draft pick to try and get a deal done.

 

[dajesmac]

Assuming Swallow, Day and Bennell are GC bound, as of right now, the main candidates I've heard are:

Andrew Gaff
Shaun Atley
Luke Parker
Daniel Gorringe
Jack Darling
Luke Polec
And to a lesser extent, Brodie Smith, but I don't know shit about him.