Certified Legendary Thread 2 x Premiership Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2026 (aka the Chris Scott volumes

[Isaac Norm Smith]

I level no criticism at you personally. I share information here that I get from sources and sometimes it’s right and sometimes wrong.

You say they agreed for him to see out the final year, that’s one thing. But all the signs were that an extension was also coming. I can’t find the quote but Hocking said at one point it would be his “first order of business”. Are you saying that plan has been shelved?

That is all correct. The club wants to re-sign him and they want him to continue post 2022. There is no doubt about that. But Chris is burnt out, and this is something that can just happen overnight. It's not something you can forecast or prepare for. The information that I shared regarding an 'early contract termination' was not driven by the club.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

Thanks Shadow89 I appreciate that. I wasn't sure whether to post the info initially, and despite others implying I made it up, I know the information was correct so I am contented with sharing what actually happened.

Thanks For Sharing!

I’m not sure if anyone saw the b and f speech but Scotty looked spent- I agree with you he will do a fine job next year and will always do what he thinks is in clubs interest -

but for people to suggest that it was ridiculous to question whether Geelong should immediately extend him or to question whether they may have rethought that plan if it was in place - then I am not sure what they think of the exodus of coaches, strange silence and speaking in generalities from the club and reports in the media..

If the plan hasn’t changed since mid year then it’s one ****ing strange plan

I think the truth is always in the middle and if we believe in the integrity of those at the club and we should ALL options would have been explored

We will be fine either way go cats


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[Biggy_Boy]

Dont give me this utter craap linking the Dogs with Melbourne

Melb are an outstanding side - and if anyone is primed to win a string of flags its them - and it is probably a god send to - for the competition - because they play exciting attractive football

Melb flogged them by 74 pts in GF - the Dogs are a long way off Melb

They were very average against Ess - Dons could have been 4-5 goals up at h/t . Haw beat them comfortably in the 2nd last round. The Tigers earlier in the year with half a team - gave them 3 goals start a h/t - and then killed them

But all you read on big footy is the Dogs the Dogs the Dogs the Dogs

Melb are the Premiers and then you have got daylight to the rest

I'm not linking the Dogs to Melbourne. Based on the GF, Melbourne are the better side.

But both are better than us (to differing degrees) and both have more top-end players in an age bracket where they will be able to continue at that level for several years, where we do not. That is how they are similar.

 

[Cataholic]

Thanks Cataholic. No doubt many thought I made it up, and that's fair enough, but these discussions are quite complex and I thought I would pass on what I knew had occurred. I'd like to think many here can understand that I never go around making up rumours on here. In-fact, to the best of my knowledge, that's the first time I've shared any inside 'info' on here. Appreciate your support.

I thought your sincerity was quite obvious from the start, and thought the response you got from some was poor.

Anyhow, it's interesting that they came to a stalemate given there was a willingness by both parties to entertain the idea. I wonder what the roadblock was?

 

[Wojcinski]

Scott and the club have agreed for him to see out the last year of his contract. Not sure whether they couldn't come to a payout agreement in the end, or whether Scott just decided to honour his last year in the end. Apologies for getting the hopes up of people that want to see him moved on, but the fact is a meeting did occur where Scott and the club discussed an early departure from his contract. That is factual information and I certainly stand by what I reported on here.

Personally, I am happy he is staying - I think even though he's clearly burned out, the man is an absolute professional, and I have no doubt he will give us his full commitment and dedication in what will certainly be his last year at the helm. Unless something drastically changes, this gives us a full year to prepare for a life after Scott. Clarkson, Buckley etc will be available and this gives us time to start assessing our options. Those guys will be hungry after a year out of the game IMO.

In any case, Scott is our man for the next 12-months.

Makes sense, Selwood, Higgins, Smith, Dahlhaus, Tuohy, Hawkins and probably Stanley and Rohan all will be OOC at the end of 2022. Very good chance all 8 of them hang up the boots as well. Huge changes at the end of next year incoming.

 

[Shadow89]

Makes sense, Selwood, Higgins, Smith, Dahlhaus, Tuohy, Hawkins and probably Stanley and Rohan all will be OOC at the end of 2022. Very good chance all 8 of them hang up the boots as well. Huge changes at the end of next year incoming.

Stanley and Hawk have two years, Tuohy will go on at least one more, as he's still very fit and durable besides an injury or two. Smith still has another year or two left as well.

The other 4 I wholeheartedly agree on, and from all reports Dahl will probably retire this year anyway.

 

[iameviljez]

Is there much star power? You have Cameron and Stewart who are both high-end players still in their prime age bracket. Dangerfield, Hawkins and Selwood are big names who have performed to a high standard but are very much on their way down. Other than that, it's pretty barren. It's a long way from Melbourne or the Dogs, who have a group of top-end players who will be in their footballing prime for a number of years yet. We are yesterday's news, and our list has reflected that for some years now. We've been acquiring last generation talent and trying to use it to compete with the upper echelon of the current generation, the results of which were laid bare come finals.

Sorry, I meant more as in the 2016-20 list.

 

[Vdubs]

Is there much star power? You have Cameron and Stewart who are both high-end players still in their prime age bracket. Dangerfield, Hawkins and Selwood are big names who have performed to a high standard but are very much on their way down. Other than that, it's pretty barren. It's a long way from Melbourne or the Dogs, who have a group of top-end players who will be in their footballing prime for a number of years yet. We are yesterday's news, and our list has reflected that for some years now. We've been acquiring last generation talent and trying to use it to compete with the upper echelon of the current generation, the results of which were laid bare come finals.

Even Carlton now has a very talented top tier.
Walsh
Cripps
Curnow
Weitering
McKay
Cerra
They could and should replace a team in the top 8 next year- will it be us?
The irony if it is with Cook at the helm.

 

[Wojcinski]

Stanley and Hawk have two years, Tuohy will go on at least one more, as he's still very fit and durable besides an injury or two. Smith still has another year or two left as well.

The other 4 I wholeheartedly agree on, and from all reports Dahl will probably retire this year anyway.

things can change very quickly as players age. Don't be surprised if they all go at the end of '22

 

[Turkey Tom]

In any case, Scott is our man for the next 12-months.

Thanks for sharing the info!

Will be interesting how the club and Scott decide to play this. Announce this is what is going to happen, or do they say nothing at all and let everyone speculate?

If they saying nothing then the media will get itself into a frenzy about his future, so I hope they spell out exactly what will happen.

 

[Shadow89]

things can change very quickly as players age. Don't be surprised if they all go at the end of '22

I'd be pretty surprised - given both Hawk and Stanley committed to 2 year contracts this year

 

[My Tilly]

Even Carlton now has a very talented top tier.
Walsh
Cripps
Curnow
Weitering
McKay
Cerra
They could and should replace a team in the top 8 next year- will it be us?
The irony if it is with Cook at the helm.

It's not irony but timing. Cook or no Cook, Carlton would be playing finals next year no matter what. Same goes with the selection of coach.
Their list is primed and if they did not make finals, it would be the greatest f*ck up in history.
McKay, Walsh, Cripps, Weitering is one of the best spine's in the game.

 

[And_ROOS]

Without checking, I’m near certain metres gained is very highly correlated with winning the ball. Win the ball and you gain metres.

We won the ball a lot and had high possession in games. We also had midfielders like Guthrie pump out 55m from 17 possessions in midfield, meaning it was dinky sideways/backwards kicks and nothing handballs.

Its more to do with direct attacking football. And the teams that looked likely to win finals went through the roof with their MG during finals. Melbourne were super direct, played on frequently and forward pressure forced Brisbane, us and the Bulldogs to topped over.

Hopefully this leads to teams wanting to follow Melbournes lead, because we have a better forwardline than Melbourne but its pointless if the ball either doesn't get down there, or gets down there after the other team has had 3 minutes to flood numbers back while we play kick to kick on the half back line.

 

[cats_09]

I'd be pretty surprised - given both Hawk and Stanley committed to 2 year contracts this year

Stanley apparently has

Hawkins re-signed for 2 years last season - don't think he extended again this season

 

[catempire]

We won the ball a lot and had high possession in games. We also had midfielders like Guthrie pump out 55m from 17 possessions in midfield, meaning it was dinky sideways/backwards kicks and nothing handballs.

Its more to do with direct attacking football. And the teams that looked likely to win finals went through the roof with their MG during finals. Melbourne were super direct, played on frequently and forward pressure forced Brisbane, us and the Bulldogs to topped over.

Hopefully this leads to teams wanting to follow Melbournes lead, because we have a better forwardline than Melbourne but its pointless if the ball either doesn't get down there, or gets down there after the other team has had 3 minutes to flood numbers back while we play kick to kick on the half back line.

I’m unconvinced. Metres gained is not a meaningful stat at the team level. It just reflects weight of possession.

 

[And_ROOS]

I’m unconvinced. Metres gained is not a meaningful stat at the team level. It just reflects weight of possession.

Its just a stat, you can use any to make a point, but with 6-6-6 in effect 3 glaring stats that changed for winning teams during finals were contested ball wins, centre clearances and MG. Meaning that teams went in, got the ball out and sent it long. Football is sometimes a simple game, and those stats are just things that confirm getting the ball forward, long and direct, will always stand up in finals.

 

[catempire]

Its just a stat, you can use any to make a point, but with 6-6-6 in effect 3 glaring stats that changed for winning teams during finals were contested ball wins, centre clearances and MG. Meaning that teams went in, got the ball out and sent it long. Football is sometimes a simple game, and those stats are just things that confirm getting the ball forward, long and direct, will always stand up in finals.

Did any teams win contested ball but fail to win metres gained?

 

[year of the cat]

That is all correct. The club wants to re-sign him and they want him to continue post 2022. There is no doubt about that. But Chris is burnt out, and this is something that can just happen overnight. It's not something you can forecast or prepare for. The information that I shared regarding an 'early contract termination' was not driven by the club.

That’s effectively what I heard last week and posted. Except that I was told he was “more likely than unlikely” to be coaching next year. Clearly either the interpretation of the going’s on was incorrect or Scott has reassessed his ability to see out his contract.

 

[Cataholic]

Its just a stat, you can use any to make a point, but with 6-6-6 in effect 3 glaring stats that changed for winning teams during finals were contested ball wins, centre clearances and MG. Meaning that teams went in, got the ball out and sent it long. Football is sometimes a simple game, and those stats are just things that confirm getting the ball forward, long and direct, will always stand up in finals.

I agree with you...... and CE.

It's about metres gained in one respect, but the winner of that stat is almost certain to win the possession count too, so it can be argued that the former is a byproduct of the latter.

I think it comes down to which MF gets it into their F50 in the fastest time with the least possessions, whilst also winning the forward efficiency stats.

I don't know if there's a way of measuring and collating that. Maybe a question you can ask CE?

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

That’s effectively what I heard last week and posted. Except that I was told he was “more likely than unlikely” to be coaching next year. Clearly either the interpretation of the going’s on was incorrect or Scott has reassessed his ability to see out his contract.

Yep, spot on YOTC.

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[Vdubs]

Our list reminds me a lot of our 1989 - 1995 list. Plenty of star power but five or six players who would not get a game in the teams that won the flag.

Pity that a lot of our stars had such injury interrupted seasons

It's not irony but timing. Cook or no Cook, Carlton would be playing finals next year no matter what. Same goes with the selection of coach.
Their list is primed and if they did not make finals, it would be the greatest f*ck up in history.
McKay, Walsh, Cripps, Weitering is one of the best spine's in the game.

Cerra will give them a Demons like MF.

 

[Vdubs]

CS did comment last night on SHocking, glowingly, but added we are looking forward to his direction, "even if it is with trepidation"

 

[Cataholic]

CS did comment last night on SHocking, glowingly, but added we are looking forward to his direction, "even if it is with trepidation"

What's behind that comment??

 

[year of the cat]

Pity that a lot of our stars had such injury interrupted seasons

Can’t be a surprise carrying so many ageing players.

 

[Vdubs]

Can’t be a surprise carrying so many ageing players.

AGE RELATED:-

B+ Parfitt-NO
B Miers-NO
A+ Cameron-not yet
B Simpson-NO
A+ Stewart-NO
A Duncan-NO
A Guthrie-NO

B+ Tuohy-YES
A+ Danger- N/A

B Hendo-YES
B Higgins-YES

Let's rethink that age-related concept
Really, only Tuohy qualifies as a true age related injury
Higgins and Hendo are certainly senior, but their issues were not necessarily injuries
Danger- not an age-related injury