Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Sam Reid’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid
DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

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Troystenvic said:
He won't earn much then. Lucky for him he got paid to rehab last year. Good move paying him what he's really worth. Too many years he sucked up cash on our cap for no or little return.
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What Reid is really worth this year depends on his fitness. Fully fit he's worth a lot more than we're (likely) to be paying him. If he's injured for the whole year he's worth less than we're paying him. I get that the club wants to hedge its bets with Reid but there is upside as well as downside.

Coaches take a wholistic view of a player. One percenters, spoils, chases, shepherds, crunching a pack, tackling, bringing the ball to ground, forcing turnovers and heaping pressure on the opposition. The work a player does without the ball is just as important.

I honestly don't think we'd have made the 2022 GF without Reid. He played in 14 of our 16 wins. After he was injured in the PF against the Pies our collective wheels fell off. We scraped into the PF and we had no hope in the GF without him.

Taking a player out of a team is probably the best way to judge the worth of any individual player and determine how much they've been adding to the team, the pressure they bring and the roles they fill. In 2022 Reid patched several holes in our young team. He'd have been a huge help to us if he'd been available in 2023.

Odds are we'll get more injuries to key players in 2024. How do you place a value on a spare defender, spare ruck and spare forward? What's the value of additional experience or the manic tackling pressure that Reid brings? What's the value of Reid helping other players to play at their best?
 
RubbaDuck said:
I don't think any player who gives everything to get fit and keep playing will finish with many regrets. They tend to come when you feel you could've done more.

I suspect if Reid can retire knowing he gave his all to the Swans, he'll be OK with that. Fans will too.
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I mean "If only he didn't have all those injuries, how good could he have been?" And my answer to that is "Bloody Good"

It's not a What If? because we know when he was on the park, fully fit, he was bloody good.

Having said all that, he really did let himself, the team, and us fans down by putting his hand up for the GF when not fit. That's on him.
 

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kelpie_X said:
I mean "If only he didn't have all those injuries, how good could he have been?" And my answer to that is "Bloody Good"

It's not a What If? because we know when he was on the park, fully fit, he was bloody good.

Having said all that, he really did let himself, the team, and us fans down by putting his hand up for the GF when not fit. That's on him.
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Yep. I'm a big Sam fan in every way and always have been, but he looked shot from the minute he ran out to warm up and should have said he wasn't up to it.
 
Jewelsbon said:
Yep. I'm a big Sam fan in every way and always have been, but he looked shot from the minute he ran out to warm up and should have said he wasn't up to it.
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I reckon Horse approached the selection the wrong way. He should have selected the same team from the prelim but put Sam on notice that it was subject to a last minute VERY searching fitness test. McLean should have trained in his place all week. Logan shouldn't have been dropped. So in reality, Logan was the late in.
He put all the weight on Sam. Just wrong.
It would probably have made no difference to the outcome but it would have been much better man management.
 
Kiama Chris said:
I reckon Horse approached the selection the wrong way. He should have selected the same team from the prelim but put Sam on notice that it was subject to a last minute VERY searching fitness test. McLean should have trained in his place all week. Logan shouldn't have been dropped. So in reality, Logan was the late in.
He put all the weight on Sam. Just wrong.
It would probably have made no difference to the outcome but it would have been much better man management.
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Yes, you are probably right there.
I just think Sam MUST have known deep down that he wasn't up to it, heaven knows we could all see it in the warm up, and he should have made the call for himself.
As you say, wouldn't have made an iota of difference to the end result 😢
 
I'm a little more sanguine about the whole Reid GF thing. I expect the majority of players are carrrying injuries come the pointy end of the season. The lucky ones may just have a few niggles, while some will carry quite serious injuries, like Paul Kelly, who kept playing despite broken ribs.

The bashing and smashing of the regular season goes up several notches in finals. Big hardened mature bodies tend to stand up better - if they can avoid soft tissue injuries. Whether a player is deemed fit can just depend on how debilitating the injury is, the likelihood of exacerbating the injury during play and how well pain is managed. It also depends on how much sheer determination and willingness to endure pain a player can muster. Of course a good win is the ultimate salve, which must have meant our boys were feeling pretty sore afterwards. They were gracious in defeat, setting the right tone and making many of us proud despite the awful scoreline

Back on Reid, he may genuinely have believed he could play through the injury. For a start, he'd have known there were other players carrying injuries into one last game of the season. It's probably safe to assume he didn't expect the PF injury to become so aggravated that it became unbearable. A willingness to push himself because the team needed him can hardly be held against him. There's nothing in his history to suggest he would put his own interests above that of the team. Reid bleeds red and white.

We can all speculate as to how Reid was assessed for his fitness to play before the game, but none of us fans were privy to the conversation. We don't know how Reid felt or what cririteria he and/or Horse used to judge his suitability to play. Even if he was genuinely in pain before the game, he wouldn't be the first player to feel proppy only to bounce up like the Indian rubber man following a well placed jab. Was Reid overly optimistic? Probably. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Optimism is synonymous with self belief. Players and fans alike tend to be overly optimistic. How else does a team like Norf even exist?

Judgement calls are made with all the information available at the time. If Horse had made a reasoned assessment that we were no chance without Reid, then he'd have been entirely justified in taking the risk. McDonald couldn't fill Reid's role, and in any case, can we just assume McDonald wasn't carrying any injuries of his own. A long hard season will take a toll on a young tall forward.

Even if Horse could see the future (like we wise fans can now). Even if he could see the future and access the great wisdom of hindsight, what would he have changed to give us any chance of winning?. I don't see any scenario short of interfering with the Cats team bus. We were smacked in the midfield and at both ends by the most experienced GF team in the history of the game. Hardened vets who were in peak condition for the one game that really mattered. We were a team of many young players, perhaps amazed with their luck at getting to a Grand Final. Truth is, they got there on their merit abd, having had a taste, they'll be hungry to have another crack.

We should be proud of our young players going so far. If Reid can help them get back to the big dance, I'll be very glad we offered him a lifeline back on-board. A 2024 Grand Final will bury any regrets of 2022, whether Sam plays in it or not.
 
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Adductor Strain Rehab - E3 Rehab

Have you had a groin pull or adductor strain? What are the best groin exercises during rehab? Should you stretch or strengthen?
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An example of the sort of rehab and assessment required for Reid's injury.

Perhaps some "optimistic" progress assessments were made but there's no reason to assume Reid was motivated by self-interest. It's more likely he didn't want to let his team down. Perhaps Horse heard what he wanted to hear, as he simply had no other choice
 
There are some injuries that are harder to carry than others.

Adductor, hamstring and calf injuries are arguably harder to carry than some bone breaks. As a keeper batsmen I played with bone breaks and a knee issue but could not play with hamstring injuries.

Some injuries respond to local anaesthetic, others not.

Reids selection remains a blight on the Club. IMO, the absence of explanation and basic accountability is worse.

Who knows the extent of the injury and how what Reid did in the following weeks and months to get it right?

Subsequent to the GF, Reid has twice been the last player signed. Earlier this season when we were heavily hit with injury, Longmire was asked about the possibility of Reid being available. Longmire half snorted, said no and moved on.
 
Grand Uncle Horace said:
There are some injuries that are harder to carry than others.

Adductor, hamstring and calf injuries are arguably harder to carry than some bone breaks. As a keeper batsmen I played with bone breaks and a knee issue but could not play with hamstring injuries.

Some injuries respond to local anaesthetic, others not.

Reids selection remains a blight on the Club. IMO, the absence of explanation and basic accountability is worse.

Who knows the extent of the injury and how what Reid did in the following weeks and months to get it right?

Subsequent to the GF, Reid has twice been the last player signed. Earlier this season when we were heavily hit with injury, Longmire was asked about the possibility of Reid being available. Longmire half snorted, said no and moved on.
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Horace, we're all merely speculating on Reid's thoughts or Horse's thoughts in the lead up to the GF.

REally, a blight on the club? Most accept it was bad luck, a bad call or a reasonable call that just happened to go sideways (shit happens). At worst it was poor judgement. No-one else thinks there was anything so underhand or untoward, that just one decision could have blighted the club so badly that it remains a blight to this day, more than a year later.

I have to wonder why, in the absence of anything other than speculation, you choose to assume that it's all Reid's fault. That he was motivated purely by self interest, even implying that he deliberately concealed the extent of his injury. But for what reason? He already has a premiership medal. I expect he'd have loved for some of his teammates to have the same. If he'd known the full extent of his injury he'd also have known he was a risk of breaking down. That was neither in his own nor in the team's best interest. So even if he is the narcissist sociopath you paint him as, logically he'd still have acted in the team's best interest. There's simply nothing in his past or in his make-up to indicate he would have put his own interests before the success of the club. Sam had nothing to gain and everything to lose by breaking down.

I suggest you delve deep into your psyche and try to understand what it is you're holding against Sam and why. It's painfully evident to others but it's also a bit baffling.
 
RubbaDuck said:
Horace, we're all merely speculating on Reid's thoughts or Horse's thoughts in the lead up to the GF.

REally, a blight on the club? Most accept it was bad luck, a bad call or a reasonable call that just happened to go sideways (s**t happens). At worst it was poor judgement. No-one else thinks there was anything so underhand or untoward, that just one decision could have blighted the club so badly that it remains a blight to this day, more than a year later.

I have to wonder why, in the absence of anything other than speculation, you choose to assume that it's all Reid's fault. That he was motivated purely by self interest, even implying that he deliberately concealed the extent of his injury. But for what reason? He already has a premiership medal. I expect he'd have loved for some of his teammates to have the same. If he'd known the full extent of his injury he'd also have known he was a risk of breaking down. That was neither in his own nor in the team's best interest. So even if he is the narcissist sociopath you paint him as, logically he'd still have acted in the team's best interest. There's simply nothing in his past or in his make-up to indicate he would have put his own interests before the success of the club. Sam had nothing to gain and everything to lose by breaking down.

I suggest you delve deep into your psyche and try to understand what it is you're holding against Sam and why. It's painfully evident to others but it's also a bit baffling.
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onya Sigmund.

Love the fan fiction!
 
Incidentally your interesting vids on recovery from adductor injuries was interesting. I did not see where it was said recovery was possible within a week.

The points remain.

We turned in a disgraceful effort on the day. Of course it was a Malcolm on the game.

Why was a bloke who seemingly struggled with the warm up lap selected? It is hardly a winners’ mind set. The opposite in fact.

What tests was he put through? What did he say And the fitness people?

Was Longmire surprised to see Reid make zero contribution?

Why was Reid the last player signed to the main list 12 months ago, if he was so integral to the team’s success?
 

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Grand Uncle Horace said:
Incidentally your interesting vids on recovery from adductor injuries was interesting. I did not see where it was said recovery was possible within a week.

The points remain.

We turned in a disgraceful effort on the day. Of course it was a Malcolm on the game.

Why was a bloke who seemingly struggled with the warm up lap selected? It is hardly a winners’ mind set. The opposite in fact.

What tests was he put through? What did he say And the fitness people?

Was Longmire surprised to see Reid make zero contribution?

Why was Reid the last player signed to the main list 12 months ago, if he was so integral to the team’s success?
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Good to know "my interesting vid was interesting".

i feel you're trying to conjure up some kind of conspiracy. Accept it and move on, whether it was bad luck, a bad call or perhaps a desperately optimistuc call that went sideways. Mistakes happen.

News just in from AFL.com.au: Sydney coach John Longmire concedes that selecting Sam Reid to play in the 2022 Grand Final was a mistake. "We were obviously confident, that's why we picked him, but we made a mistake," Longmire said.

We got to a GF way ahead of expectations. We beat the reigning premiers then beat the team the media had crowned the unbeatable close game specialists" in a PF, decided by one point. Oh, the delicious irony.

We were never a chance, with or without an injured Reid, against a fresh and full strength mature, experienced and formidable Cats outfit, which had brushed Brisbane aside by an easy 71 points the week before, even after putting the cue in the rack and resting half their veterans after 3/4 time. We'd already played out our GF, a week early, to scrape past a determined Pies outfit.

You're not the only fan who was disappointed, even upset, but you're still harping on about it.

Celebrate that we got to a GF so quickly after struggling through a big rebuild.

Celebrate that we're back to playing finals every year and that another premiership is a real possibility.
 
robbieando said:
Just for the record, players can't sign minimum performance contracts. You can include bonuses for awards won, playing certain amount of matches or kicking a certain amount of goals but these bonuses cannot be in place of the contracted base rate.

As a rookie, Reid will be on a base rate of at least $90k and match payments of $5k per match which is the rookie minimum. There is nothing stopping the club paying him more also.
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Damn must be a huge kick in the teeth going from 400-500k per year back down to Rookie payments.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
Damn must be a huge kick in the teeth going from 400-500k per year back down to Rookie payments.
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The fact he plays as a rookie says nothing about Reid's salary. It doesn't even mean that he has to have a one year contract (although obviously it will only be a one year contract). I don't think there would be anything to stop a rookie being your highest paid player. The only thing it means is that you have a lower minimum salary.
 
sataris said:
If we keep playing injured players in grand finals it's really not.
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I doubt there was ever a premiership team that didn't carry any injuries. Many players carry injuries at times throughout a season. It's the extent of the injury and the impact on the quality of the player that matters. Goodes proved he was still best 22 even on one leg in the 2012 GF. "Cometh the moment - Cometh the man"

Horse has said publicly that the Swans misjudged the extent of Reid's injury and made the wrong call. Even then, we can't know the extent to which Reid's injury was exacerbated during the match. There is always some luck involved but nevertheless, we shouldn't need to rely on luck.

Really bad luck is when a player goes into a game fully fit but is hobbled within the opening minutes, like Buddy in the 2014 GF, after a teammate landed heavily on his foot.

Had we built up more depth in our young list we'd have never had to consider playing Reid. Goofball Ladhams ruled himself out with a red misted brain-snap in the VFL, while McDonald wasn't considered able or ready to cover Reid's role(s) sufficiently. Heck, he may also have been carrying a niggle. We may never know all the facts behind the decision not to play McDonald.

Lack of depth is kryptonite, something we almost managed to skirt around in 2022. We were lucky not to be exposed until the finals. In 2023 our lack of depth was exposed much earlier, leaving us with no replacements for several key players. We were so exposed we almost missed finals altogether.

To be any chance of a premiership in 2024 we need a solid depth of players to cover every role we need covered. In that regard, the extension of Reid for another year is a very sensible strategy, a no-brainer. If he stays fit he provides quality extra depth for several key positions (ruck, key defence or key forward) and for much less cost than paying three extra players, even if we had the salary cap. If he doesn't stay fit he can still help mentor and develop our young forwards. The worse case is not great but neither is the cost.
 
Gerard Healy wonders whether Melbourne could pinch Sam Reid out from under Sydney’s nose.

The delisted veteran Melbourne should go after and why rookie rules could see a team “get burnt”

“I’d be concerned if I was a coach that you may lose this gamble.”
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I am slightly comforted that they'd have to persuade Reid - a mature, senior, long-term one-club player like him isn't going to Melbourne if he doesn't want to. But if they offer him more money/longer contract and given he's originally from Melbourne (not sure how embedded in Sydney he is these days) they might have a chance. Also, I guess if we did lose him, I could live with that - it wouldn't be a disaster. I have after all spent most of the past 6 months thinking we shouldn't recontract him for the coming season. And it appears clear that if we had brought in a 'big name' forward we wouldn't be committing to re-rookieing him.
 
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