2004 Premiership side asked to 'donate' 5 Grand each to Port Adelaide's debt demolition

[Steve Dore]

..... You're asking me if I'm happy he chose his career over the club from which he retired? For real? I didn't enjoy his response, and I wish he didn't do it. But if he weighed up his options, listed the pros and cons, and went with "why am I on the payroll?", then I understand.

Thanks for that insight into your moral compass and ethics. I can now see that there is no point discussing this issue with you.

BTW, how much did you get for your grandmother?

 

[malph]

Thanks for that insight into your moral compass and ethics. I can now see that there is no point discussing this issue with you.

BTW, how much did you get for your grandmother?

Ooooh, zing.

I said I understood a motivation to choose career first. It seems other people are taking quite an interest in mapping out Warren's post-football life for him. Such charitable souls.

Anyway, maybe his motivation was even different to that. Perhaps he didn't do it for ratings. Knowing the questions were coming, faced with a decision to tell the truth or lie, he took aim at the club, rather than throw a friend under a bus. Who knows what he was thinking, just as who knows what has happened between them?

 

[Natman]

So let me summarise:

PAFC needs money to eliminate debt - use the proven successful Vic model - job started.
PAFC need to get people to sign up as real financial supporters - job continues.
Wakes - as a PAFC soldier puts on thinking cap to look for recruiting avenues - job continues.
Tredders - now a media slave and needs ratings and spots opportunity to lift them - job done.
SNAFL - sit on arse and leave stadium deal as is and cash cows bleeding (heard of the hybrids $200 donation request from all members?) bleeding - job done.
SA media and people - turn molehill into mountain and reinforce insular, backward thinking attitude - job done.
2004 premiership players - some donate, some do not - job done.
Tredders - donates 50% of his benefit fund which from my understanding is the norm in the game - job done.
Round 2 - let's just get the job done.

 

[wapower]

Ooooh, zing.

I said I understood a motivation to choose career first. It seems other people are taking quite an interest in mapping out Warren's post-football life for him. Such charitable souls.

Anyway, maybe his motivation was even different to that. Perhaps he didn't do it for ratings. Knowing the questions were coming, faced with a decision to tell the truth or lie, he took aim at the club, rather than throw a friend under a bus. Who knows what he was thinking, just as who knows what has happened between them?

Come on malph. Surely by now you should appreciate that wharfie_1870 forms opinion based on rumour and innuendo then pretends that's the right version whilst dismissing reasonable comment taking all factors into consideration.

As most people who are looking at this issue objectively rather than choosing to slag off Warren Tredrea we simply don't have all the information nor do we know what the critical events were that have taken place. It's much better to try and understand what's transpired, why it's transpired and hope that it can be resolved privately rather than playing itself out in the media. To say one side is right or wrong with the limited information we have is the problem.

It's hysterics 101 at work.

 

[The Slingshot]

Wakes may have been out of line with the way he asked for a donation, however, Tredrea was most DEFINITELY out of line with his comments in the media....idiot. He had a choice and he chose to sell out for trinkets and toys.

Wakes' heart was in the right place, Tredrea donated 50% of his at his testimonial. He's going to need to do a lot of work to come back from this in a lot of port people's eyes.

 

[Portia]

Oh bullshit.

So you're saying Tredders just undid carrying our side to a premiership, just by arcing up when he's plugged for extra money, despite probably having already given funds in the last few years in excess of most posters on this board?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Far out, I hope we win or WW3 might erupt on this board. Either way their both club legends and that shouldnt be forgotten. Ultimately we'll probably never know the full story.

The sun will still come up tomorrow.

 

[Mitch Power]

Wakes may have been out of line with the way he asked for a donation, however, Tredrea was most DEFINITELY out of line with his comments in the media....idiot. He had a choice and he chose to sell out for trinkets and toys.

Wakes' heart was in the right place, Tredrea donated 50% of his at his testimonial. He's going to need to do a lot of work to come back from this in a lot of port people's eyes.

Could not agree more. Tredrea is totally out of order.

 

[Janus]

Oh bullshit.

So you're saying Tredders just undid carrying our side to a premiership, just by arcing up when he's plugged for extra money, despite probably having already given funds in the last few years in excess of most posters on this board?

Not for arcing up - he's got every right to go to town on Wakes for asking him after giving so much of his own money to the club - but for exploiting it in the media to raise the profile of his show.

If he wants to bring it up because its the story of the day and people ask him about it, fine. Why didn't he simply say, "Yeah, the story is true, and good on the club for doing something about the crippling debt. As for me, I'm not giving a donation because I already gave at the office (or in this case, his testimonial)?"

Of course, that means the story can't play out over a day and a bit. It's been mentioned in this thread that Wakes is ALWAYS a board member of the PAFC. Well, Tredrea is ALWAYS a premiership captain of the PAFC, and as such has similiar responsibilities to the club.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

F$#k all this bullshit!!

Wakes had the right intention but poor delivery. Tredders could have said things a bit differently but didn't - so what.

When you personally have stuck your hand in your pocket for $5k and done plenty else for the club like our players, then have a good whinge. I haven't so, I don't have any right to have a good whinge about either Wakes or Tredders or the club.

As Tony Abbott once said - shit happens.

If more of our so called supporters go off their arse and went and watched us play, rather than riding on the coat tails of our past players success, our debt wouldn't be as big and none of this shit would have happened.

I'm going to go to Footy Park tomorrow and watch an A grade SANFL game and see the prison bars run around Footy Park for the first time since the first Sunday in October in 1995. I'm going with some Norwood mates and going to have some good footy banter and have a few beers with them. Then I'm gonna watch the A grade play and remind my Norwood mates if their club officials weren't squibs, then they would be in the big league with us, all over a few beers. Then I'm going to the Hanger and go and talk to a few club legends from the black and white days as well as those from the black white and teal days, give a few of our officials the benefit of my opinion and have a few beers there as well. I will go home and watch the GC play their first game on TV over a few beers. Then I will go to the Rugby 7's at Adelaide Oval, and whilst there I am going to try and visualise how a redeveloped AO will look when I go watch Port play there in a few years and have a few beers. So I am going to have a festival of the boot --- and beers weekend, and not give a second of thought about all this bullshit.

I hope plenty of others in SA have a similar weekend. If you're interstate or overseas I hope you can filling in the weekend with a similar sort of festival of the boot and beers ( or whatever your favourite poison is) and not waste anytime on this bullshit.

 

[The Slingshot]

F$#k all this bullshit!!

Wakes had the right intention but poor delivery. Tredders could have said things a bit differently but didn't - so what.

When you personally have stuck your hand in your pocket for $5k and done plenty else for the club like our players, then have a good whinge. I haven't so, I don't have any right to have a good whinge about either Wakes or Tredders or the club.

As Tony Abbott once said - shit happens.

If more of our so called supporters go off their arse and went and watched us play, rather than riding on the coat tails of our past players success, our debt wouldn't be as big and none of this shit would have happened.

I'm going to go to Footy Park tomorrow and watch an A grade SANFL game and see the prison bars run around Footy Park for the first time since the first Sunday in October in 1995. I'm going with some Norwood mates and going to have some good footy banter and have a few beers with them. Then I'm gonna watch the A grade play and remind my Norwood mates if their club officials weren't squibs, then they would be in the big league with us, all over a few beers. Then I'm going to the Hanger and go and talk to a few club legends from the black and white days as well as those from the black white and teal days, give a few of our officials the benefit of my opinion and have a few beers there as well. I will go home and watch the GC play their first game on TV over a few beers. Then I will go to the Rugby 7's at Adelaide Oval, and whilst there I am going to try and visualise how a redeveloped AO will look when I go watch Port play there in a few years and have a few beers. So I am going to have a festival of the boot --- and beers weekend, and not give a second of thought about all this bullshit.

I hope plenty of others in SA have a similar weekend. If you're interstate or overseas I hope you can filling in the weekend with a similar sort of festival of the boot and beers ( or whatever your favourite poison is) and not waste anytime on this bullshit.

If you see Wazza tell him I'll be around to pick up the $5K in the morning .....make sure you buy him a beer first.

 

[Portia]

REH channeling boydman, I love it.

 

[ClintEastwood]

I've always loved Tredders and had him on a pedestal, but I'm very very disappointed in him over this in a number of ways.

I don't give a shit if he went 50% on the testimonial, for a man in his position to be unwilling to chip in another 5k beggars belief.

Also disappointing that he wouldn't just STFU about it on air. Surely he has the balls to stand up to any pressure the station may have put on him, if that's the reason to went on about it.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

F$#k all this bullshit!!

Wakes had the right intention but poor delivery. Tredders could have said things a bit differently but didn't - so what.

When you personally have stuck your hand in your pocket for $5k and done plenty else for the club like our players, then have a good whinge. I haven't so, I don't have any right to have a good whinge about either Wakes or Tredders or the club.

As Tony Abbott once said - shit happens.

If more of our so called supporters go off their arse and went and watched us play, rather than riding on the coat tails of our past players success, our debt wouldn't be as big and none of this shit would have happened.

I'm going to go to Footy Park tomorrow and watch an A grade SANFL game and see the prison bars run around Footy Park for the first time since the first Sunday in October in 1995. I'm going with some Norwood mates and going to have some good footy banter and have a few beers with them. Then I'm gonna watch the A grade play and remind my Norwood mates if their club officials weren't squibs, then they would be in the big league with us, all over a few beers. Then I'm going to the Hanger and go and talk to a few club legends from the black and white days as well as those from the black white and teal days, give a few of our officials the benefit of my opinion and have a few beers there as well. I will go home and watch the GC play their first game on TV over a few beers. Then I will go to the Rugby 7's at Adelaide Oval, and whilst there I am going to try and visualise how a redeveloped AO will look when I go watch Port play there in a few years and have a few beers. So I am going to have a festival of the boot --- and beers weekend, and not give a second of thought about all this bullshit.

I hope plenty of others in SA have a similar weekend. If you're interstate or overseas I hope you can filling in the weekend with a similar sort of festival of the boot and beers ( or whatever your favourite poison is) and not waste anytime on this bullshit.

Don't forget to have a beer with me Russ!

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[Slippery Pete]

I don't give a shit if he went 50% on the testimonial, for a man in his position to be unwilling to chip in another 5k beggars belief.
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Is this really anybody's business?

 

[Portology]

Send REH's post to the OED to use as the definition of "coherent argument". /end thread

 

[ClintEastwood]

Is this really anybody's business?

If you mean I should keep my opinion of it to myself, then no, **** that.

It's the Port forum and I will air my view, "my business" or not.

 

[Hodges 153!]

After checking the club's website it looks like the silent one, Geoff Dodd who was our Communications Manager in Dec 2010 when the annual report/year book was sent to members, has been given the arse.

According to the twit-vine, Andrew Rutter, the Exec Producer of the Ch 9 news has left, to take up a position at the club.....

EDIT: Confirmed as the new Media & Communications Manager

 

[reCOGnise]

According to the twit-vine, Andrew Rutter, the Exec Producer of the Ch 9 news has left, to take up a position at the club.....

EDIT: Confirmed as the new Media & Communications Manager

Good or bad news, anyone know much about him? what can we expect?

 

[Slippery Pete]

If you mean I should keep my opinion of it to myself, then no, **** that.

It's the Port forum and I will air my view, "my business" or not.

No, I meant is Tredders' perceived financial position relevant to any judgement about his decision not to donate?

 

[tribey]

No, I meant is Tredders' perceived financial position relevant to any judgement about his decision not to donate?

It became relevant the moment he felt the need to say he wasn't in a position to donate $5000.

If he'd have stuck to his guns purely on his opposition to way the request was handled - the SMS and the subsequent discussion where he felt his loyalty was questioned - that's fine, but he blurred the lines by making it about what he apparently can and cannot afford on top of his previous financial contribution to the club via his testimonial, etc.

By making it about him and not the issue he left himself wide open to debate and criticism beyond his decision to go public with his gripe(s).

 

[Slippery Pete]

It became relevant the moment he felt the need to say he wasn't in a position to donate $5000.

If he'd have stuck to his guns purely on his opposition to way the request was handled - the SMS and the subsequent discussion where he felt his loyalty was questioned - that's fine, but he blurred the lines by making it about what he apparently can and cannot afford on top of his previous financial contribution to the club via his testimonial, etc.

By making it about him and not the issue he left himself wide open to debate and criticism beyond his decision to go public with his gripe(s).

$5k is a lot of money in anyone's language. You'd have to be naive to think he's not thinking of himself, and rightly so. I would too.

 

[Natman]

If the premiership players wanted to do something to help why don't they offer time instead of money.

They could host a banquet upstairs in the Port Club - one player at each table of 12 each paying $200-250. To make it fair the players could rotate each course and for extra funds they could auction memorabillia.

To make a good atmosphere the players could tell a few war stories and the GF gets shown on big screens during the night.

If 20 players could make it - possibly straight after the season finishes, we could see up to $50k raised less costs.

I reckon BF could raise enough interest to fill 3 or 4 tables alone.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I haven't seen Chad's response to the request noted here.

link

Cornes admitted he will be giving back to the club that has given him so much in a bid to help the Power wipe its debt and return to its former glory.

"I think we do owe the club. It was a bit of an interesting week last week," he said.

"Anything we can do to help the club I think most of the players are up for it. We've seen the clubs in Melbourne do it, I don't see why it should be any different here."

"The club has given me a lot – some of the best times of my life. It has really helped me develop as a person and as a player so I don't think it's a big ask to help put some money back into the club and help get it back to where it should be."

link

 

[PortBrillance]

Re: A Joint Port Board BigFooty Foundation Leader Contribution

MARK Williams has joined Port Adelaide's debt-busting campaign.

The Power's 2004 AFL premiership coach yesterday signed as a Foundation Leader - contributing at least $5000 to the campaign - on behalf of the Williams family which is a cornerstone of the club's history.

Williams' financial attachment to the Power comes less than a year after he left Alberton midway through a contract with a substantial pay-out.

"Mark felt it was the right thing to do," said Port president Brett Duncanson last night. "He wants to help and give back to the club that has given him so much."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/choco-joins-rally-to-reduce-debt/story-e6frecjc-1226039407424

Wonderful stuff from Chocs