Draft Review 2006 - Redo the 2006 Draft

[Mystical Mac]

how would clubs draft players in the first round now that they have played for 3 years and thinking about their needs:

1. Carlton - Selwood - best player in the draft. obvious choice

2. Essendon - Kurt Tippett - gun versatile player and perfect forward replacement for lloyd

3. North Melbourne - Bryce Gibbs - gun midfielder which is their weakness

4. Brisbane - Travis Boak - going to be a gun midfielder and don't need Leuy now that clark has stepped up in ruck

5. Port - Matthew Leunberger - need a ruckman badly and he showed a lot before he got injured

6. Hawthorn - Todd Goldstein - also need a ruckman badly and he showed he will be a very good one this year

7. Geelong - Scott Gumbleton - have a good enough list to take a chance even though he is so injury prone then if he comes good he form a good combo with hawkins when mooney is gone

8. Collingwood - Nathan Krakouer - great running back who will suit the pies game plan

9. Saints - Jesse White - ready made ruck forward who provide saints with more dangerous options

10. Collingwood - Lachlen Hansen - get a very good future back to take over from presti

11. Western Bulldogs - Jack Reiwoldt - he is a small key position forward but is the best available and dogs need

12. Melbourne - James Frawley - stick with frawley because they are very happy with how he is going

13. Richmond - Mitch Brown - get the good strong backman the better brown brother

14. Adelaide - Justin Westhoff - desperately need a tall forward with no Tippett and he showed he could be good in his first year

15. Sydney - Andres Everitt - sydney love running players like everitt and like what they saw in his first year

16. West Coast - Nathan Brown - showed some good things last year and west coast need tall backman

 

[Axel.]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Would have still got Matthew Leunberger. Clark was recruited as a forward and no one would have guessed Luey and Charman would have gotten injured for the whole season and Clark played Ruck in AA form.

 

[Mystical Mac]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Would have still got Matthew Leunberger. Clark was recruited as a forward and no one would have guessed Luey and Charman would have gotten injured for the whole season and Clark played Ruck in AA form.

the whole point of this is based on knowing what we know now otherwise every club would draft the same players.

 

[EagleMan87]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Would have still got Matthew Leunberger. Clark was recruited as a forward and no one would have guessed Luey and Charman would have gotten injured for the whole season and Clark played Ruck in AA form.

This is a hindsight thread, so you can use whatever knowledge you have now, such as Clark dominating in the ruck.

EDIT: Beaten to it

Anyways, that's a good list, but I don't think Gumbleton would go first round with his injury troubles.

 

[Axel.]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

the whole point of this is based on knowing what we know now otherwise every club would draft the same players.

Ah my bad.

 

[deledio7]

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Jack Riewoldt should go earlier IMO. Has played on the number 1 defender most of his career and has developed very well for a guy so undeveloped physically.

 

[dark blue days]

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You could argue Carlton would take Tippet or even stick with Gibbs. Tippet a 50+goalkicker would obviously slot nicley in our team.

 

[macleodboy07]

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id still take nathan brown. and take jesse white were we took reid. clearly the better forward option and ruck option!

pick8 jesse white. pick 10 nathan brown

 

[Richo83]

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the whole point of this is based on knowing what we know now otherwise every club would draft the same players.

Goldstein hasn't shown that much, neither has Gumbleton. On what we've seen I'd take Josh Hill over bot of them based on what we know now (which for you means who has performed well over the past two years). Meaningless. Leunberger would still go to the lions, primarily because the lions need a ruckman and Matt hasn't done anything really wrong. I mean what more of Goldstein do we know? 16 games hasn't told us that much. Fail.

 

[scooter22]

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Disagree with Todd Goldstein but apart from that wouldnt change much.

 

[Silvagnis]

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Pointless thread.

Wouldn't swap Gibbs for anyone.

White, Krakouer and Goldstein have no place in the top ten.

 

[Mystical Mac]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Goldstein hasn't shown that much, neither has Gumbleton. On what we've seen I'd take Josh Hill over bot of them based on what we know now (which for you means who has performed well over the past two years). Meaningless. Leunberger would still go to the lions, primarily because the lions need a ruckman and Matt hasn't done anything really wrong. I mean what more of Goldstein do we know? 16 games hasn't told us that much. Fail.

not a fail at all you just dont have the brain to understand it.

goldstein has shown a fair bit and he is a ruckman who is only 20. he would be the frist ruck for the hawks so we would love to have him. i didnt say goldstein is better than leuenberger but he is the second best ruck prospect from that draft and the hawks desperately need a ruckman. brisbane now have clark and charman who can play ruck so they could get a gun midfielder like boak and stilll have ruck covered.

 

[docker_champ29]

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Looks like an average draft

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

not a fail at all you just dont have the brain to understand it.

goldstein has shown a fair bit and he is a ruckman who is only 20. he would be the frist ruck for the hawks so we would love to have him. i didnt say goldstein is better than leuenberger but he is the second best ruck prospect from that draft and the hawks desperately need a ruckman.

Shaun Hampson.

Hampson just kept improving as the season grew longer and getting better with each game played.

Hampson leaves Kreuzer in the shade as an athlete and runs down midfielders.

brisbane now have clark and charman who can play ruck so they could get a gun midfielder like boak and stilll have ruck covered.

Leuenberger is Brisbane's best tap ruckman by a street.

 

[Mystical Mac]

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Shaun Hampson.

Hampson just kept improving as the season grew longer and getting better with each game played.

Hampson leaves Kreuzer in the shade as an athlete and runs down midfielders.

you cannot be that biased. goldstein has shown MUCH more than hampson.

Leuenberger is Brisbane's best tap ruckman by a street.

luenberger will probably be the best ruckman but there is no point having three ruckman when you can swap one for a gun midfielder.

 

[Powerade 08]

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Heard of Robbie Gray? lol.

Much better player than Krakouer.
Westhoff shouldn't be there but then again it looks like there isn't much to compete with.

 

[Pykie]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Goldstein hasn't shown that much, neither has Gumbleton. On what we've seen I'd take Josh Hill over bot of them based on what we know now (which for you means who has performed well over the past two years). Meaningless. Leunberger would still go to the lions, primarily because the lions need a ruckman and Matt hasn't done anything really wrong. I mean what more of Goldstein do we know? 16 games hasn't told us that much. Fail.

Oh dear.

He had 16 disposals, 25 hitouts and 5 goals in a game this year, shown enough for you?

Enough to be considered the best tap ruckman at North.

Enough to have the best footskills of any ruckman at North including Petrie and McIntosh.

Name me a ruckman under 21 ruckman with a comparible performance.

Leunburger is a great prospect, but you're essentialy still rating them on their draft pick status rather than their output.

Shaun Hampson.

Hampson just kept improving as the season grew longer and getting better with each game played.

Hampson leaves Kreuzer in the shade as an athlete and runs down midfielders.

He may be ahead in the athletic stakes over Goldstein.

But there is daylight in their respective football abilities.

 

[Monkey King]

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Oh dear.

He had 16 disposals, 25 hitouts and 5 goals in a game this year, shown enough for you?

That was a good game wasn't it, but one game doesn't maketh the player. He didn't kick more than one goal in any other single match for year and didn't have 20+ hitouts again in any other match for the year.

Hampson had 20+ hitouts 9 times last year sharing the ruck pretty evenly with Kreuzer.

2009 Averages - Goldstein/Hampson

Disposals 8/8.3
Marks 2.8/2.3
Goals 0.7/0.3
Tackles 1.4/2.1
Hitouts 13.8/18.5

The gap between these players - if any - sure isn't as big as you're trying to make out. In terms of genuine draft orders, Hampson's athleticism and recent conversion to the game from soccer makes their relative selection possibilities an even more interesting prospect.

 

[hilly]

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Hampson's athleticism and recent conversion to the game from soccer makes their relative selection possibilities an even more interesting prospect.

This is from Wikipedia:

Goldstein played his junior basketball at Balwyn Blazers and Nunawading Spectres. He moved to football in 2006, playing for the Oakleigh Chargers and nominated for the AFL draft in that same year.

But you're right, he doesn't play for Carlton so is therefore a dud.

 

[rusman]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Name me a ruckman under 21 ruckman with a comparible performance.
.

I think Ryder is 21 and Clark is 22 both of those 2 have had a few good performances over the years

 

[Richo83]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Oh dear.

He had 16 disposals, 25 hitouts and 5 goals in a game this year, shown enough for you?

Enough to be considered the best tap ruckman at North.

Enough to have the best footskills of any ruckman at North including Petrie and McIntosh.

Name me a ruckman under 21 ruckman with a comparible performance.

Leunburger is a great prospect, but you're essentialy still rating them on their draft pick status rather than their output

Enough shown to be picked in the top ten? Don't think so. He, like many other players has shown glimpses of talent. Even looking at ruckmen, as monkey king has shown, there is just as good, in some ways better talents than Goldstein.

And regardless, as the op defines, on what we have seen, one would take Hill, especially as the op has a tendency to rank players who have performed well in their first few years highly.

 

[Smyth94]

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Gumby should be listed as N/A

Selwood #1, Tippet a close #2 for mine...can't be bothered with the rest for now

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Tippet has been superb, but is starting to become quite over rated.

Selwood/Gibbs are a CLEAR 1 and 2.

 

[Richo83]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

not a fail at all you just dont have the brain to understand it.

Mate your orders are often biased and ignore A) club needs and B) that clubs don't draft for two year periods.

goldstein has shown a fair bit and he is a ruckman who is only 20. he would be the frist ruck for the hawks so we would love to have him. i didnt say goldstein is better than leuenberger but he is the second best ruck prospect from that draft and the hawks desperately need a ruckman. brisbane now have clark and charman who can play ruck so they could get a gun midfielder like boak and stilll have ruck covered.

Have you heard of depth? I still think Brisbane would love Leunberger. Leunberger in the ruck, Clark up forward/ruck. And it's questionable that Goldstein is the second best prospect, certainly not the 7th best prospect. I mean first you base it on prospects and type, then performance, as with Rioli in your other thread. Brisbane need Luenberger as much as ever especially as Clarke can't shoulder the ruck duties forever.

Pointless thread.

Right you are.

Wouldn't swap Gibbs for anyone.

Exactly. Oh wait, Gibbs hasn't shown much, has he mystical man?

White, Krakouer and Goldstein have no place in the top ten.

It seems that much of these picks are arbitrary. Pulled out of the arse so to speak. For instance, the op has us selecting a KPD, if there's one thing we didn't need, it's KPD, with Thursfield, Moore and McGuane, we'd much more likely select a ruckman, midfielder or key tall. Morton would be a better pick for us based on needs than Brown. Based on performance, well one wouldn't have the list he has.

 

[Richo83]

Re: re do the 2006 draft now that we have seen them

Tippet has been superb, but is starting to become quite over rated.

Selwood/Gibbs are a CLEAR 1 and 2.

Based on needs, I think Carlton would still take Gibbs (especially remember folks the midfield is key in today's football) based on output, Gibbs, and future, well Gibbs could win the charlie so Gibbs again. Not sold on this order. Not sold that Selwood is better than Gibbs either.