2009 Draft Camp/State Screening invitees

[FromTheArc]

I correct my previous post and the Cannons have 6 to DC and 5 to SS. The one I missed I would never have considered a chance for DC.

i am not 100% sure but i have heard that robbie hicks got an invite to DC. That is very interesting considering i would have had Hoegel ahead of him after the championships, and i just heard the other day that Hoegel didn't get anything!!!

 

[WatchOut]

i am not 100% sure but i have heard that robbie hicks got an invite to DC. That is very interesting considering i would have had Hoegel ahead of him after the championships, and i just heard the other day that Hoegel didn't get anything!!!

It baffles me to mate. I haven't seen a lot of Hicks' games as I don't follow school footy at all. Saw him put in a good 1/4 early in the season where he booted a few goals. Saw his return down at Geelong where he was very ordinary and in another thread someone said he got 3 possies in the Pegs v Assumption grand final.

Saying all that - those that matter obviously see something in him.

As for Hoegal - very surprising. That makes 2 VMs that got nothing.

 

[shooters]

Busher and Elari didn't get a screening?!

No they didn't, surprising...

Out of the guys that did;

Michael Florio: 22k, 13h, 11m (BOG)
Joel Houghton: 14k, 4h, 11m, 7goals 6behinds
Cameron Kickett: 4k, 8h, 2m, 21hitouts
Joel Leeson: 10k, 12h, 5m, 3goals

 

[FromTheArc]

It baffles me to mate. I haven't seen a lot of Hicks' games as I don't follow school footy at all. Saw him put in a good 1/4 early in the season where he booted a few goals. Saw his return down at Geelong where he was very ordinary and in another thread someone said he got 3 possies in the Pegs v Assumption grand final.

Saying all that - those that matter obviously see something in him.

As for Hoegal - very surprising. That makes 2 VMs that got nothing.

indeed it is strange but as you say, those that matter obviously see something in him.

who was the other VM player that didn't get anything?

 

[JohnnyMacIntyre]

That is phenomenal about Busher and Elari. Moreso Busher I thought he showed quite a bit in the carnival. There have been some much worse players around nominated. Perth, while sitting atop the ladder didn't have strong representation at the championships. Only Busher played the majority of the games with Houghton, Elari and Kickett playing a few each, and none of whom dominated at national level. Perth are a strong side with good third year colts players, not necessarily draft camp material. I would think some of the boys with screenings will get drafted this year, as I've said before the camp is not the be all and end all of being drafted, one club's genuine interest can ultimately mean a lot more than 5 or 6 clubs dabbling for the sake of it. The camp is just a general indication of how wide the interest is for the particular player and how they are rated across the clubs.

 

[shooters]

Only Busher played the majority of the games with Houghton, Elari and Kickett playing a few each, and none of whom dominated at national level.

Houghton played all 5 games
Busher played 4 games
Elari played a few (i think)
Kickett only played the one game and got injured.

 

[JohnnyMacIntyre]

Houghton played all 5? I didn't think he travelled to NT but obviously he did. I did think Busher played 5 though. Elari went to NT but Neates got the majority of games for the small mid spot. Houghton has really shown a bit and obviously played pretty well today to kick 7.6!

 

[shooters]

Houghton played all 5? I didn't think he travelled to NT but obviously he did. I did think Busher played 5 though. Elari went to NT but Neates got the majority of games for the small mid spot. Houghton has really shown a bit and obviously played pretty well today to kick 7.6!

Yes he is starting to find his feet, i saw him today Laithlan oval, impressive.

From memory Houghton kicked 4 in the NT game and Busher was left out of the Tassy game.

 

[foj1]

Perhaps, but I would have thought that approx only 60% of the VM teams in the past would have got DC invites. Being on a VM list doesn't guarantee a DC pass and may have been more of a poison chalice this year.

Sounds like you didn't agree with some of the Cannon VM selections and so not surprised with the DC invites. Of the Cannon VMs I would have only had Talia & Carlisle as certain DC invitees. To be honest I am surprised that Cannons has so many DCs. With the investment put into Melksham you would also expect him to have a guaranteed DC invite. From the 5-6 canons games I have seen I would have thought the following would get invites (mostly to SS):

Talia, Carlisle, Melksham
Thompson, Lucin, Temel, & McCallum

I would have thought Melksham is a very good chance to be a late first round selection- not because of AIS investment but because he is an exceptionally promising footballer.

 

[vandelay]

I would have thought Melksham is a very good chance to be a late first round selection- not because of AIS investment but because he is an exceptionally promising footballer.

I'd agree.

Hasn't had a lot of positive press around here, but I thought his Champs were actually pretty good relative to the other guys in this year's pool and he certainly was one of Metro's better players.

He's a good, creative user of the footballer with a turn of speed, how many clubs wouldn't be looking closely at a guy with those attributes?

 

[I AM THE PRINCESS]

Perhaps, but I would have thought that approx only 60% of the VM teams in the past would have got DC invites. Being on a VM list doesn't guarantee a DC pass and may have been more of a poison chalice this year.

Sounds like you didn't agree with some of the Cannon VM selections and so not surprised with the DC invites. Of the Cannon VMs I would have only had Talia & Carlisle as certain DC invitees. To be honest I am surprised that Cannons has so many DCs. With the investment put into Melksham you would also expect him to have a guaranteed DC invite. From the 5-6 canons games I have seen I would have thought the following would get invites (mostly to SS):

Talia, Carlisle, Melksham
Thompson, Lucin, Temel, & McCallum

Cannons players Draft Camp & State Screening invitees are as follows - 11 all up

Draft Camp

Daniel Talia, Jake Carlisle, Jake Melksham, Robbie Hicks, James Lawton & Anthony Long

State Screening

Jacob Thompson, Tommy Hunter, Serhat Temal, Brendan Fewster & Ned Daniher

The names of all 74 Draft Camp invitees will be published in the Herald Sun on the 24th August (or there abouts)

On the subject of the Western Jets, Jack Fitzpatrick is their only draft camp invitee, and I along with others feel for Kyle Hartigan as he has carried an injury for the majority of the year

Cheers

 

[WatchOut]

Cannons players Draft Camp & State Screening invitees are as follows - 10 all up



You forgot Tommy Hunter and I believe Lawton got DC

 

[I AM THE PRINCESS]

Yep sorry, you are correct - 11 in total

 

[devonport_magpie]

im suprised that vin ponsonby from TAS didnt get a look at he has had a good season in the state league and as a over age player for the mariners

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

im suprised that vin ponsonby from TAS didnt get a look at he has had a good season in the state league and as a over age player for the mariners

Yeah - must say I'm a wrap on Vin and think he's got some upside, but the queries over his kicking are damning for a player who would be playing the run and carry role at AFL level.

Would be very much a development type player, and being overage, AFL clubs may be less willing to pour time into him than a younger player of the same ilk.

 

[chb_25]

Cannons players Draft Camp & State Screening invitees are as follows - 11 all up

Draft Camp

Daniel Talia, Jake Carlisle, Jake Melksham, Robbie Hicks, James Lawton & Anthony Long

State Screening

Jacob Thompson, Tommy Hunter, Serhat Temal, Brendan Fewster & Ned Daniher

The names of all 74 Draft Camp invitees will be published in the Herald Sun on the 24th August (or there abouts)

On the subject of the Western Jets, Jack Fitzpatrick is their only draft camp invitee, and I along with others feel for Kyle Hartigan as he has carried an injury for the majority of the year

Cheers

what injury would that be?

 

[chb_25]

Cannons players Draft Camp & State Screening invitees are as follows - 11 all up

Draft Camp

Daniel Talia, Jake Carlisle, Jake Melksham, Robbie Hicks, James Lawton & Anthony Long

State Screening

Jacob Thompson, Tommy Hunter, Serhat Temal, Brendan Fewster & Ned Daniher

The names of all 74 Draft Camp invitees will be published in the Herald Sun on the 24th August (or there abouts)

On the subject of the Western Jets, Jack Fitzpatrick is their only draft camp invitee, and I along with others feel for Kyle Hartigan as he has carried an injury for the majority of the year

Cheers

lucky to have a last name like that, i cant believe Steve McCallum not even a screening

 

[I AM THE PRINCESS]

lucky to have a last name like that, i cant believe Steve McCallum not even a screening

AGREED about Stevie Mc, shattering news for him missing out on VM, now this

Kyle's injury was a calf early on and then a quad by memory, just a bad year all round for him footy wise

I had wondered all year what the recruiters were going to do with Ned, maybe they see him as 'a work in progress'

 

[Bachar43]

lucky to have a last name like that, i cant believe Steve McCallum not even a screening

A few of those guys could be counting themselves lucky. Proves how line ball and unexpected some decisions can be.
Just going by what we already know about other vic clubs (pretty much only western)... what has Lawton done that Kyle Hartigan, Sean Tighe or Temel haven't? What's Anthony Long got over Johnny Rayner? and what makes Ned Daniher a better prospect than say a Majak Daw?
Glad to see Thompson get a SS and also very suprised that McCallum couldn't get a gig.

 

[WatchOut]

A few of those guys could be counting themselves lucky. Proves how line ball and unexpected some decisions can be.
Just going by what we already know about other vic clubs (pretty much only western)... what has Lawton done that Kyle Hartigan, Sean Tighe or Temel haven't? What's Anthony Long got over Johnny Rayner? and what makes Ned Daniher a better prospect than say a Majak Daw?
Glad to see Thompson get a SS and also very suprised that McCallum couldn't get a gig.

They've got the surname.

I had to shake my head in disbelief last week when I saw Long named in the Cannons best on 6 possessions.

 

[ragabone]

Can some-one enlighten me are Draft camp & state screening invites already out in all states, if so, does any-one have information on who has been invited to either from South Australia

 

[footyman]

i cant believe Steve McCallum not even a screening

Fair point. He's hardly put a foot wrong.

 

[footyman]

A few of those guys could be counting themselves lucky. Proves how line ball and unexpected some decisions can be.
Just going by what we already know about other vic clubs (pretty much only western)... what has Lawton done that Kyle Hartigan, Sean Tighe or Temel haven't? What's Anthony Long got over Johnny Rayner? and what makes Ned Daniher a better prospect than say a Majak Daw?
Glad to see Thompson get a SS and also very suprised that McCallum couldn't get a gig.

Hartigan, Temel and Tighe have height. Daniher has two clubs who can take him father-son.

The problem for McCallum and Lawson and all those other midfielders is the quantity of them available. Go down and watch Williamstown or Werribee in the VFL and there'll be another 20 of them running around down there in the seniors and reserves. Look how hard Liam Picken had to work to show he had a point of difference from all the other 'run of the mill' midfielders.

The system stinks in some respects, but not everybody is lucky enough to get the career they choose. It's like a uni course - limited places so some miss out. Or Australian Idol wannabes - thousands of hopefuls, one winner. Or any other job - you go through the interview process and get beaten by a better applicant. So what these guys need to do is go away, improve and keep trying.

And as I've said before if you can't kick you're going to struggle, such is the way AFL footy is now played and we've seen the last two flags won by sides who have a high skill level and can maintain possession.

Footy is tough. You only need to look at AFL coaches in waiting...there must be 100 guys lining up for an AFL senior coaching job at present, reality is only a lucky few will achieve their dream. The same applies to all these kids in the U18s. Thousands of hopefuls, 100 lucky ones.

 

[Boundary Boy]

The system stinks in some respects, but not everybody is lucky enough to get the career they choose. It's like a uni course - limited places so some miss out. Or Australian Idol wannabes - thousands of hopefuls, one winner. Or any other job - you go through the interview process and get beaten by a better applicant. So what these guys need to do is go away, improve and keep trying.

I agree with your sentiments FM that Life's tough, and not always fair. But does that make it acceptable?

You also acknowledge that the system stinks and therefore I hope others also understand that it is a bitter pill to swallow for these kids and not acceptable to put down to just another one of life's hard knocks.

Whilst we all know that footy selection is a subjective process it should be based on fairness and some measurable criteria. If to a greater extent selection is going to be based on someone's height or "tricks" or other intangible factor then what's it all about? Some of the kids that have missed out have been outstanding footballers through their careers and have been very dedicated to get to where they are now. To be discarded because someone else has a surname or "unrealised potential" simply is not a good enough reason to those who have put in the work and are constantly demonstrating their abilities. I say to these kids there is nothing wrong with you: it is the system.

Some of FM's examples of selection for uni or a job are interesting. To some extent these selections too are subjective but there is normally set criteria to meet when applying for a job (eg qualifications, experience etc) or uni places - usually based on performance. Yes there are exceptions. We've all heard it's not what you know but who you know and in the case of getting a job under these circumstance we call that nepotism. I'll let you draw your own conclusion on whether preference shown to Long, Daniher, Brent Wallace is a form of nepotism.

The advice to go away, improve and keep trying is often proferred and if you want it enough you'll get it. I'm afraid fairy tales are few and far between. My life advice to these kids is get on with your life, don't make footy everything. Sure play footy at the highest level possible but put more emphasis into your job or uni or perhaps even your alternative sport that had been put on hold for footy. The years can spin on bye when chasing a dream that for most will always be out of reach....

Here ends the sermon.

 

[Boundary Boy]

Cannons players Draft Camp & State Screening invitees are as follows - 10 all up

You forgot Tommy Hunter and I believe Lawton got DC

Just confirming Watchout because a few of us can't believe it.....do you mean Tommy Hunter or Tommy Lucin. Both regulars in the Cannons best but I would have thought Lucin has a greater upside in terms of his ability to get the ball, speed and endurance - Lucin also being a talented athlete.