Not really, the only real surprise win was against Hawthorn.
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I didn't really expect us to beat Port over there , even though they were having a shit year....but all that really did was cancel out the Carlton shambles.
Wins: 15
Losses: 7
Finish: 4th
Best and Fairest: Brett Deledio
Most Goals: Morton (60)
Most improved player: Dean Polo
5 Players to make an impact on the rest of the competition (Who will the media/opposition fans be talking about): Ben Cousins, Tambling, Polo, Jack Riewoldt, Kelvin Moore (premier defender of AFL)
First player promoted from rookie list: Andrew Browne
Best first year player (inc. rookies/non-debutants): Tyrone Vickery
First player to get Rising Star nomination: Alex Rance
Which player will have a greater impact, Cousins, Thomson or Hislop: Cousins, he already has
5 players who wont be there in 2010: Silvester, Putt, Pettifer, can't think of the other 2.
JON will be there.
Losses: 7
Finish: 4th
Best and Fairest: Brett Deledio
Most Goals: Morton (60)
Most improved player: Dean Polo
5 Players to make an impact on the rest of the competition (Who will the media/opposition fans be talking about): Ben Cousins, Tambling, Polo, Jack Riewoldt, Kelvin Moore (premier defender of AFL)
First player promoted from rookie list: Andrew Browne
Best first year player (inc. rookies/non-debutants): Tyrone Vickery
First player to get Rising Star nomination: Alex Rance
Which player will have a greater impact, Cousins, Thomson or Hislop: Cousins, he already has
5 players who wont be there in 2010: Silvester, Putt, Pettifer, can't think of the other 2.
JON will be there.
Could have easily have lost that game, as well as games against Essendon and Brisbane. The 8 out of 11 statement sounds nice, but it is a bit misleading. Should be 8 of the last 13. If you want to be a real darksider, we won 9 of the last 18.
So what are the short term fixes that are going to put us in the finals then? Is it just Cousins? And a bit of Thomson?
Hislop, Thomson, Cousins and keeping Bowden, Johnson and Pettifer. Our dire list deficiency of inside midfielders has been largely fixed.
But surely you didn't honestly expect that we would delist Bowden, Johnson and Pettifer. Pettifer fair enough, but the other two clearly weren't going to be.
And did you really not expect us to make finals next year prior to the draft? Then with the ND and the PSD that suddenly changed?
And did you really not expect us to make finals next year prior to the draft? Then with the ND and the PSD that suddenly changed?
Johnson and Pettifer should have gone. At that time Bowden was rubbish, and his form from that point onwards allowed him to keep his place.
At that time I thought we were rubbish, which we were, and making finals in 2009 looked very bleak. Now we are a better than 50/50. We could still miss finals this year no worries.
You are looking for me to take a backwards step, so sure I was being absolute like I usually am, but remember that pedantic thing you are always guilty of?
So at that point in the season you honestly believed that Johnson, Bowden and Pettifer would be 3 of the 4 or 5 players we delisted at seasons end?
So at that time you thought we were rubbish, and didn't believe rapid enough improvement for us to make the finals in 09. That has since changed. Hence, you were wrong.
Yes I am, and I'm taking this as a backwards step for you, because I know you won't openly say 'Yes I was wrong'. I do remember Beave. Trying to get you to admit you're wrong here isn't me being pedantic here, it's me being a prick. Difference.
So at that time you thought we were rubbish, and didn't believe rapid enough improvement for us to make the finals in 09. That has since changed. Hence, you were wrong.
Yes I am, and I'm taking this as a backwards step for you, because I know you won't openly say 'Yes I was wrong'. I do remember Beave. Trying to get you to admit you're wrong here isn't me being pedantic here, it's me being a prick. Difference.
I'm sorry but since when did Richmond make the finals in 2009? Jumping the gun as usual. Regardless if the facts change, so will my opinion. Are you suggesting yours doesn't? How very unwise of you if that is the case.
By 'that has since changed', I meant your belief. Not the facts.
On what I said with the middle paragraph of my last post...no facts have changed too dramatically there. Perhaps our mature aged recruits will improve the rate of our improvement, and yes that is facts changing. But I don't believe that your opinion on whether or not we will make the finals next year has changed simply on the back of these recruits. I believe you were surprised at how strongly we finished the season, and as such you now give us an increased chance of making finals next season.
Opinions do chance, correct Beaver. But you make out as though every time someone else has a change in opinion, they are committing some sort of crime. You sort of inadvertently made the point I was trying to make there.
On what I said with the middle paragraph of my last post...no facts have changed too dramatically there. Perhaps our mature aged recruits will improve the rate of our improvement, and yes that is facts changing. But I don't believe that your opinion on whether or not we will make the finals next year has changed simply on the back of these recruits. I believe you were surprised at how strongly we finished the season, and as such you now give us an increased chance of making finals next season.
Opinions do chance, correct Beaver. But you make out as though every time someone else has a change in opinion, they are committing some sort of crime. You sort of inadvertently made the point I was trying to make there.
First off opinions on this matter are neither right or wrong, only facts are. You can think I am wrong, but that is just your opinion. You have always thought I was wrong, so what has changed?
No I was not as impressed by this so called rapid improvement that you speak of, as much as you think. I have told you why I changed my opinions, deal with it. I have already shown how our so called rapid improvement of 8 out of 11 wins is misleading. 9 out of 18, what do you think of that statistic?
I rip RT for changing his opinions, because he does it all the time, if that is what you were alluding to?
I agree with you that we will make the finals...I don't know what you're arguing.
K. On that statistic though, 9 out of 18 is a lot less relevant than 8 out of 11, because 18 matches is, obviously, going back a lot further, and as such the difference in our ability as a team to now is greater. If you wanted to go back 100 or so matches I'm sure you could build a compelling case for Geelong not deserving to be up the top of the ladder.
I meant change by the way. Not chance. *Change. But yeah, I was alluding to that. I understand that you think he does it a lot, but as I said, you make it out to be a crime of sorts every time he does it. As you said, and proved by doing so yourself, people change their opinions.
K. On that statistic though, 9 out of 18 is a lot less relevant than 8 out of 11, because 18 matches is, obviously, going back a lot further, and as such the difference in our ability as a team to now is greater. If you wanted to go back 100 or so matches I'm sure you could build a compelling case for Geelong not deserving to be up the top of the ladder.
I meant change by the way. Not chance. *Change. But yeah, I was alluding to that. I understand that you think he does it a lot, but as I said, you make it out to be a crime of sorts every time he does it. As you said, and proved by doing so yourself, people change their opinions.
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I only change my opinion when it is clear that my original opinion has been shown to be wrong. Nothing wrong with that, in fact some people find it quite courageous for others to admit that they have been wrong.
Wins: 13
Losses: 8
Draws: 1
Finish: 6th
Best and Fairest: Nathan Foley
Most Goals: Morton (44)
Most improved player: Riewoldt
5 Players to make an impact on the rest of the competition (Who will the media/opposition fans be talking about): Tambling, Mcmahon, Riewoldt, Coughlan, Richardson playing off half back
First player promoted from rookie list: Gourdis
Best first year player (inc. rookies/non-debutants): Rance
First player to get Rising Star nomination: Connors
Which player will have a greater impact, Cousins, Thomson or Hislop: Thomson
5 players who wont be there in 2010: Polak, Cousins, Pettifer, Johnson, Raines
Losses: 8
Draws: 1
Finish: 6th
Best and Fairest: Nathan Foley
Most Goals: Morton (44)
Most improved player: Riewoldt
5 Players to make an impact on the rest of the competition (Who will the media/opposition fans be talking about): Tambling, Mcmahon, Riewoldt, Coughlan, Richardson playing off half back
First player promoted from rookie list: Gourdis
Best first year player (inc. rookies/non-debutants): Rance
First player to get Rising Star nomination: Connors
Which player will have a greater impact, Cousins, Thomson or Hislop: Thomson
5 players who wont be there in 2010: Polak, Cousins, Pettifer, Johnson, Raines
That's fine, I've been wrong plenty of times, just like every other human being. But seriously the whole "we are shit/we are good" and the "our forwards are fine/our forwards are shit" were a bit much to take, considering they are polar opposites of each other.I only change my opinion when it is clear that my original opinion has been shown to be wrong. Nothing wrong with that, in fact some people find it quite courageous for others to admit that they have been wrong.
JSFish: What we were arguing became a bit confused, but when you said my original opinion was wrong because I have changed it makes no sense, considering that Richmond have not made the finals yet in 2009. If they do not, that would make my new opinion wrong, while validating my original contention.
So either way, you will be wrong. Whether with your new or your old opinion.
Clearly JS has said from the start that we will make the finals 09'. If we don't he will be wrong, but will have pride knowing that he took the whole pie, rather putting half in each court. If we don't, you will rub it in; "I told you so". If we do, you will point out your change in opinion. It's a clever ploy by you to cover your arse because Richmond aren't as shit as you want to believe.
This isn't as clear cut as you make it. If we don't make the finals I will be wrong, so how can I say "I told you so"? JSFish is basing his opinions on different things. I changed my decision mostly because of the list management we undertook this draft period. He based it on beating teams that finished below us on the ladder (excluding Hawthorn). We had miserable defeats against Adelaide and Sydney, and the shocking Carlton loss which suggest that we are not as advanced as many pundits believe.
While I am expecting finals next year, it would not surprise me if we miss out either. It is not a matter of trying to cover all bases, simply I believe we are around 7-10 on the ladder. Closing your mind to any other alternatives is not wisdom. Sure he can take all the glory, but he may also look like a fool. Especially considering the facts he based his initial contention on.
About Richmond not being as shit as I believe, short term we have improved, long term we could have done a lot better.
So you whinge that we didn't pick up enough 18 y/o's, and yet think that the players we did pick up, who are mostly young enough to still have ten years, if they're any good (barring Cousins), were bad pick ups, because they aren't 18...
If you can make sense of that, well done.
I'm too tired to do this...
Cousins, Hislop, Thomson and Nahas who will probably be promoted. 31, 21, 23 and 22 next year. Recycled players that will definitely be able to contribute more than 4 18 yr olds.
About them being bad, they aren't that bad. Like I have been drumming on about for ages, the players themselves are not the problem, it is the processes we implemented to build the list. If we keep picking up recycled players, it will bite us on the arse. 10 out of the 38 players on our list are recycled. Might work for Sydney, but it doesn't seem to work for others. Not taking enough kids in a draft will hurt down the line. The 2005 draft has already hurt us. We are relying on too few kids to make the grade.
you cant tell much about how a player will develope until they are about 23 to 24 years old f***** NFI if you think you can pick them and how good they will be 21 and under clubs are drafting them straight out of nappies these days so IMHO it prob takes 4 years in the system before the club can be sure the player will or will not make it.
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