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Why do people indulge in these pissing contests?

Provided your club is not sliding into debt then why care about anything other than on field performance?

Yep, Hammer Nail Head :thumbsu:

Only on BF are these BS made up and altered figures relevant.
 
Why do people indulge in these pissing contests?

Provided your club is not sliding into debt then why care about anything other than on field performance?

St Kilda are at best a middle of the road club in most off-field areas but TBH I couldn't give a toss. I'd be kidding myself to think we have the same level of support as the Crows, Eagles, Pies, etc.

Doesn't matter who the club is, if you perform onfield the crowds and more importantly the ratings will come. IIRC the St Kilda/WB prelim out-rated the Collingwood/Geelong prelim in Melbourne.

Spoken like a true minnow:thumbsu::)
 

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LOL at this precious little bunny (and he really is a precious one) actually trying to take potshots when his mob can barely even beat us at Subi, let alone on our home turf... :cool:
 
Spoken like a true minnow:thumbsu::)

Why does it not surprise me this post came from a Richmond supporter?

Hawthorn & Richmond supporters seem to be the main culprits in these pissing contests.

Hawthorn supporters trying to convince themselves they're not relocating by stealth, and Richmond supporters trying desperately to find something to talk up.

Face it, neither are anything more than middle of the road clubs in terms of overall support.

Adelaide, West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon & Carlton at the very least have you well covered. So why care? You're never going to be #1.
 
Why does it not surprise me this post came from a Richmond supporter?

Hawthorn & Richmond supporters seem to be the main culprits in these pissing contests.

Hawthorn supporters trying to convince themselves they're not relocating by stealth, and Richmond supporters trying desperately to find something to talk up.

Face it, neither are anything more than middle of the road clubs in terms of overall support.

Adelaide, West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon & Carlton at the very least have you well covered. So why care? You're never going to be #1.

Correct, but we like to agrue over who's next.
 
What clubs have how many members????

currently Hawthorn have 19413

have other clubs started listing yet?

Ahh, the hawks.
The club with 5 million memebrs but it doesn;t seem to transfer into attendances over the years.?? Interesting isn't it?

We are totally hopeless, have far ,less members but seem to regularly pull big crowds, reflecting a greater membership base.

st kilda calling us middle of the road in terms of supporter base....please...get real.
Heaven help us if we ever started winning!

How do the the dawks get exempt from going to skilled for the past five years yet we have to go year in year out??
 
How so?

Profit margins and attendance numbers are 2 completely different categories
The point you seem to have missed, is as soon as someone questions why the Hawks have low crowd numbers compared to other top sides, the line always gets trotted out about playing at a 20000 seat stadium, but when the Hawks fans talk about their clubs large profits their is no complaining about the games played in Tassie that contribute greatly to the clubs bottom line.

Imagine if W Bulldogs and St Kilda didn't have the past 100 years of crap to wipe out the bandwagon effect of the more successful clubs :rolleyes:
Imagine if both sides had only played 2 finals series in the last 20-30 years, there would be a side called the Western Saints playing in the AFL now.

Imagine if Hawthorn got to play Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon all twice at the MCG in the one season

Imagine if Hawthorn got a bankable 12 games a season at the MCG
Your club chooses to sell off 4 home games a season to Tassie, the AFL aren't going to send Essendon, Carlton and the Pies to Tassie to play in a 20000 seat stadium. A couple of your sold off home games could easily be against these sides if our club wasn't chasing cash down in Tassie.


Yet the innital poster used club by club attendance (even comparing Richmond's attendances to Hawthorn) as a point of reference to disregard the importance of membership numbers.

Go figure
Its a valid point though Hawkk, the Hawks had around 17k more members that Richmond this year and yet only managed to outdraw us by around 30k or so for the year and yet your only excuse seems to be the 4 games at Tassie hurt the Hawks bottom line on attendances. What effect do you think 30 years of crap would have on a clubs ability to draw big numbers?
 
Spin it, twist it, bend it, contort it anyway you want Richmond fans but for every year since 2000 (except 2006) Hawthorn has had more members, made more $$ and won more premierships than Richmond, they are facts.

And taking it back 30 years: Richmond 1 flag, Hawthorn 6 flags
 
Would you care to define what "hardly any" is supposed to mean, oh ever-so knowledgeable one? :rolleyes:

Moreover, if you think your club's attendances wouldn't have been affected if your home fixtures consisted almost entirely of Sunday and twilight matches, and half against interstate opposition, then you're out of your mind.

carlton, richmond, melbourne, north, hawthorn and essendon have all been there done that (some still :p). most of those clubs still had acceptable attendences (in our case, 3rd in the league in our amazing 2007)
 

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Spin it, twist it, bend it, contort it anyway you want Richmond fans but for every year since 2000 (except 2006) Hawthorn has had more members, made more $$ and won more premierships than Richmond, they are facts.

And taking it back 30 years: Richmond 1 flag, Hawthorn 6 flags
Credit where it's due though, I thought the line about Hawthorn being a 'minnow club', especially coming from a Richmond fan, was comedy gold.
 
Geelong and Richmond would've drawn around 20,000 more at the G than at Skilled.

Gillion McLaughlan is on record saying scheduling the Hawks-Saints game in Tasmania probably cost them 45,000 spectators

We ussually get around 35,000 to Crows games in Melbourne too. So thats about 45,000 more we would've got.

Really?

2008 - 32,767
2006 - 24,461
2005 - 27,092
2004 - 25,592
2002 - 23,355
 
Hard to fit any more in at Subi when it is sold out every week...

Sold Out = 75% capacity?

Ridiculous comparison, because only about 3000 more tickets could be sold to any given Fremantle match maximum. And there are no stadium members.

A Hawthorn game at the MCG would sell anywhere between 5,000 and 30,000 additional single tickets sold, and thousands, if not tens of thousands, of AFL and MCC members showing up.

A 40k crowd to a Hawthorn vs Victorian club would be lucky to have 20k Hawthorn members attending.

Your argument is flawed when 4 of our 7 Melbourne based home games are against low drawing opponents (Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide and Port Adelaide)
 
Ahh, the hawks.
The club with 5 million memebrs but it doesn;t seem to transfer into attendances over the years.?? Interesting isn't it?

How so?

How do the the dawks get exempt from going to skilled for the past five years yet we have to go year in year out??

When Richmond can pull 60,000+ against Geelong Geelong will request their games be shifted to Melbourne

For too long Richmond have been riding on the back of Collingwood and Carlton's drawing power
 
The point you seem to have missed, is as soon as someone questions why the Hawks have low crowd numbers compared to other top sides, the line always gets trotted out about playing at a 20000 seat stadium, but when the Hawks fans talk about their clubs large profits their is no complaining about the games played in Tassie that contribute greatly to the clubs bottom line.

Once again, the attendance and profit margin is a completely seperate argument

I'm amazed that you lack the you lack the comprehension to seperate the 2 in argument, its really pretty basic

Your club chooses to sell off 4 home games a season to Tassie, the AFL aren't going to send Essendon, Carlton and the Pies to Tassie to play in a 20000 seat stadium. A couple of your sold off home games could easily be against these sides if our club wasn't chasing cash down in Tassie.

Not when those games are away games or when we're playing Carlton at Ethiad the year after pulling 70,000 against them at the MCG (Melbourne are rostered to play them at the MCG)

Its a valid point though Hawkk, the Hawks had around 17k more members that Richmond this year and yet only managed to outdraw us by around 30k or so for the year and yet your only excuse seems to be the 4 games at Tassie hurt the Hawks bottom line on attendances. What effect do you think 30 years of crap would have on a clubs ability to draw big numbers?

The same impact 80 years of poor success has had on the Bulldogs attendance
 
There's a few things to consider here before defending/attacking Hawthorn.

1. In 1996 we had one of the lowest membership tallies in the AFL and unsurprisingly we almost disappeared off the face of the earth. Since that day we've taken our membership very seriously and it's been a point of pride for the club that we have gone from practically the worst membership supported club in the AFL to the best (and record breaking) in 2009.

2. Yes, we sell games down to Tassie and we're strongly affiliated with the proud footballing state. Playing games at Aurora affects our average attendance as the stadium is small, but we don't actually sell out all of our games there. Tassie isn't that big and even with a 40,000 seat stadium, they'd still only attract 20,000 to any Victorian team playing games down there. Understandably it's not ideal for us Victorian members having 4 games down there, but considering the benefits for the club, you won't find too many members openly complaining about the agreement.

3. We don't have pet memberships or 1-game armchair memberships. It seems to be the in-vogue excuse from other clubs when trying to explain why a 'minnow' club like Hawthorn could have 50,000 members. Our simplest membership is a 4-game Tasmanian membership which is $75 (same price as Collingwood's 3 game membership).

4. I personally don't care that we're number 1 in memberships. It's nice to know that we're well supported and our club is making plenty of money but in the end Geelong wins this little d1ck measuring competition because they won the flag in 09. I'd take another flag in 2010 over 100,000 Hawthorn members any day of the week.
 
Why does it not surprise me this post came from a Richmond supporter?

Hawthorn & Richmond supporters seem to be the main culprits in these pissing contests.

Hawthorn supporters trying to convince themselves they're not relocating by stealth, and Richmond supporters trying desperately to find something to talk up.

Face it, neither are anything more than middle of the road clubs in terms of overall support.

Adelaide, West Coast, Collingwood, Essendon & Carlton at the very least have you well covered. So why care? You're never going to be #1.

Just taking the piss mate.

Spin it, twist it, bend it, contort it anyway you want Richmond fans but for every year since 2000 (except 2006) Hawthorn has had more members, made more $$ and won more premierships than Richmond, they are facts.

And taking it back 30 years: Richmond 1 flag, Hawthorn 6 flags

Why don't we take it back furthur to when it's 10 a piece?

Gillion McLaughlan is on record saying scheduling the Hawks-Saints game in Tasmania probably cost them 45,000 spectators



Really?

2008 - 32,767
2006 - 24,461
2005 - 27,092
2004 - 25,592
2002 - 23,355

Didn't realise that. I thought the 08 game was 34,000. Never mind.

The same impact 80 years of poor success has had on the Bulldogs attendance

Bulldogs have made the finals a fair bit over the last 15 years.
 

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