Sherman, I'd love to have him, but not for pick 21. As has been said before on this thread, it looks to be fairly deep this year. Maybe Vez and a later pick. But, do we need him? Dunno..is he quick?, if so, go get him...
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That is his main attribute, and he also is a very offensive player who would play off a HFF and can kick a goal. In terms of the depth for this year it is much better than last year, but falls short of the 2008 Draft where guys like Liam Anthony were picked up late 3rd round.
We are looking at guys like Kieren Harper at our 1st round pick and the moment he is our ideal pick up.
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That is awesome news, cos that's who i'm hoping to pick up.
He seems like a Gary Rohan type player.
all stocks towards the
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So hope Rhett Mason gets drafted, only cos he's a Peel boy
Use your head guys - I personally wanna stick clear of Harper.
How do the Swans play? We are all about discipline - Roos said it himself this year that he was pissed off with some reserves players who should be making an impact at senior level but continue to ignore instructions. Swans players are disciplined - we play tight lock down footy, and theres no other way. We have our style, and you've got to find your spot in it. Harper doesn't seem to be the type of bloke who can fit that bill, and in all honesty, with TDL, Rohan, Jetta and Veszpremi coming through we have plenty who can play a roving role in the forward line similar to harper's.
We have stuffed up first rounders a lot lately - Daniel Okeefe, Veszpremi and even Johnstone has taken a while to come along (though I understand thats typical of a KP). I would personally prefer it if we took something more straight down the line - where we know what we are getting.
The bloke who I do like the sound of (though admittedly seen much of) is mentioned in the same article:
Don't you think his description fits the swans perfectly? Plus I think in the coming years a tagger is someone we may need - I think you all agree Jack plays better when he is freed up, and with Kirk gone there is a void there.
Just a few thoughts to consider
How do the Swans play? We are all about discipline - Roos said it himself this year that he was pissed off with some reserves players who should be making an impact at senior level but continue to ignore instructions. Swans players are disciplined - we play tight lock down footy, and theres no other way. We have our style, and you've got to find your spot in it. Harper doesn't seem to be the type of bloke who can fit that bill, and in all honesty, with TDL, Rohan, Jetta and Veszpremi coming through we have plenty who can play a roving role in the forward line similar to harper's.
We have stuffed up first rounders a lot lately - Daniel Okeefe, Veszpremi and even Johnstone has taken a while to come along (though I understand thats typical of a KP). I would personally prefer it if we took something more straight down the line - where we know what we are getting.
The bloke who I do like the sound of (though admittedly seen much of) is mentioned in the same article:
Don't you think his description fits the swans perfectly? Plus I think in the coming years a tagger is someone we may need - I think you all agree Jack plays better when he is freed up, and with Kirk gone there is a void there.
Just a few thoughts to consider
Yes, he does fit the Swans perfectly. Too perfectly. He would just be more of the same. Don't get me wrong, players like Guthrie (at least based on how he has been described) are the bread and butter of any good team, they are vital, but we are overflowing with them right now. Drafting Rohan, Jetta, TDL and Sumner has taken us some way in the other direction, but I still wouldn't be comfortable spending a first round pick on a tough, defensively-minded midfielder when we have tonnes of them already.
Maybe Harper isn't the right fit either (though the fact that he is aware of his drawbacks can only be encouraging), but I don't think I'd go Guthrie.
By the way, does anybody else like the look of Luke Mitchell? Key forward, good hands, fast, smart, and can also play defence. Might be there at our pick too.
Who exactly do we have to tag? I know we have McGlynn, Kennedy and Jack as those tough midfields with strong bodies, BUT, I would argue that Jack is better when freed up (see last 6 weeks of 2010), McGlynn is at his best when Kicking goals, and Kennedy showed late in the year what he can do when he runs amock.
So who to tag for the next 5-7 years?
Is smith the future? I think he plays better as a defensive HF locking down an important running back, or as a secondary tagger. Not sure if he has the ability (yet) to run with the more accomplished midfielders.
Just not sure who else...
And whats wrong with more of the same bloodstainedangel? Over the past 5-7 years, we haven't really had any out and out stars. Goodes, Bolton, Hall may be - but when you look at geelong who have had 20-25 All Australian Jumpers between them over the last 3-4 years, its massive compared to what we had. Thats what we have been in the Roos era - a team achieving well above what its list should (when viewed objectively). That was Roos' speciality - making players and teams into something more than they or anyone ever believed they could be. He realised it wasnt about individuals, but about working towards something as a team. You had to fit the team structures and style, otherwise it just didnt work - it would fall in a heap and we would get trounced, because we cannot match many teams for sheer skill and athleticism alone.
Its just that Guthrie caught my attention due to the fact he just sounds like a blood. I think that someone who is tough, disciplined and understanding just seems someone who would fit the club well - that is all.
That, and Im sick of our first rounders turning into nothing (or very little) in recent years. I suppose the truth is though that our first rounder this year is really a high second rounder in a normal draft, and thus it probably isnt even worth that much - might be worth the risk of hitting something gold.
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I prefer Mitch Hallahan. Inside and Outside Mid
I was all for Kieran Harper until I read that article, he looks and sounds like another Veszpremi, great skills and kicks freakish goals but lacks fitness and discipline and can be a detriment to the team.
I'd prefer a Rohan clone like Jed Lamb a tough midfielder like Mitch Hallahan or Reece Conca.
I've said this before but man there is alot of depth in this years draft compared to last years!
I'd prefer a Rohan clone like Jed Lamb a tough midfielder like Mitch Hallahan or Reece Conca.
I've said this before but man there is alot of depth in this years draft compared to last years!
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I think Shaw will become our tagger nexy year with Jack playing on the Judd's and Ablett when necessary.
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There was a much better interview up today with recruiting manager Kinnear Beatson. As usual the subject of Veszpremi came up (does anyone in the AFL know anyone else on our list?) and Kinnear said that he and Johnston were contracted for 2011 and "we're hopeful they'll become very good players for us". Talked about injury problems, groin for Vesz and hip for Johnston. Hannebery is also having shoulder surgery. Named several players as having standout leadership qualities including Wallis, Conca, Heppell and Smedts. 2 of them will definitely not be available at our 1st pick but someone like Conca could slip to around that point.
He reminded me of just how many players we turned over last year, he said 12 which I immediately thought couldn't be right as its a quarter of the list, but then I remembered we traded in Mumford/McGlynn/Kennedy/Seaby plus 5 draft picks, Bradshaw, and a rookie in McNeil.
He reminded me of just how many players we turned over last year, he said 12 which I immediately thought couldn't be right as its a quarter of the list, but then I remembered we traded in Mumford/McGlynn/Kennedy/Seaby plus 5 draft picks, Bradshaw, and a rookie in McNeil.
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Well of those 4 we could get 2 IMO:
Wallis - Tied to the Dogs with F/S guarnteed to go at 22
Conca - A swans fan who certainly could slip to our pick and we wouldn't be hesitant to take him
Heppell - Has become a hot commodity with a possibility of going at Pick 4 to West Coast. Will be definetly gone before Pick 21
Smedts - A good kid, who I like and others on the board are keen on him (TLW in particular). I think that GC will take him at 15 but I if slips to us which is possible I wouldn't be against taking him at all.
Send McVeigh back to tagging as he can't get his own ball and while i'm at it use Moore as a tagger as he also can't get his own ball.
Problem is that when McVeigh does get it, he normally uses it well.
As for Shaw, Im not sure he has the tank at the moment for such a role (though he could build that up over the summer). His pace and ability to break the lines is also vital at times IMO. I don't mind Shaw as a defensive HF either - can pop up and kick a few goals here and there whilst also using the more defensive aspect of his game.
We shall see...
As for Shaw, Im not sure he has the tank at the moment for such a role (though he could build that up over the summer). His pace and ability to break the lines is also vital at times IMO. I don't mind Shaw as a defensive HF either - can pop up and kick a few goals here and there whilst also using the more defensive aspect of his game.
We shall see...
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He holds the AFL draft combine record for the beep test. I think he's one of the fittest players in the competition.
I've always found that fact surprising. He just doesn't look that fit out on the field and seems to look tired a bit. I dunno, I just have never looked at him and thought he was one of the physically best runners in the game that I'm watching. I suppose it has something to do with leg speed which he certainly doesn't have in spades but it has always confused me.
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I think Lakey is talking about Rhyce
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Ah, yeah you're right. I skipped over "as for sure" and didn't realise he was talking about the player
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As I noted in my review, Rhyce played on Marc Murphy in the Carlton final and did a good job, even managing to kick a few goals himself. Whether he can consistently do it week in and week out remains to be seen.
Look at our 2005/2006 teams. It was built on a good balance of tough, inside players (Kirk, Bolton, Buchanan, Ablett, Crouch, etc) and effective outside runners and finishers (Williams, Fosdike, Kennelly, Schneider, Davis, etc). Now, there is no question that most of our finishers were still disciplined (Davis and possibly Schneider the exceptions), so I'm not saying Harper is necessarily the way to go (though disciplined isn't the first thing that springs to mind when I think of Jetta, and he's going alright), but at the moment, our squad is skewed towards the inside and defensive. Too many starters, not enough finishers.
We would be better off going for a Guthrie-type later in the draft, or even the rookie draft. You can get plenty there.
Was talking about Shaw.
I said "sure", because...Im an idiot...and have been writing essays all day!
As for not enough finishers, that is a fair point, but Id prefer to get a midfielder then someone who plays predominantly half forward/pocket like Harper seems to do. I think we have plenty of class for the future up there with Jetta, Rohan, TDL (who has a dead eye) and hopefully Veszpremi. Just like we seem to have plenty of half back runners for the time being.
Jack is silky smooth when freed up - I hope he plays the outside role all 2011.
I said "sure", because...Im an idiot...and have been writing essays all day!
As for not enough finishers, that is a fair point, but Id prefer to get a midfielder then someone who plays predominantly half forward/pocket like Harper seems to do. I think we have plenty of class for the future up there with Jetta, Rohan, TDL (who has a dead eye) and hopefully Veszpremi. Just like we seem to have plenty of half back runners for the time being.
Jack is silky smooth when freed up - I hope he plays the outside role all 2011.
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Outside finishers? How bout Jayden Pitt? Outside Mid with a sublime kick (I'm talking pin-point accuracy). Also can go back and take a mark with a great pair of hands. I agree that we don't need someone like Harper, and Pitt fits the bill as a superb outside mid/flanker type.
How about Angus Litherland at 39? Quick, tall, rebounding defender who could play small or tall. Has a nice kick to him and makes good decisions.
How about Angus Litherland at 39? Quick, tall, rebounding defender who could play small or tall. Has a nice kick to him and makes good decisions.
