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tigs2010 said:
Ok I've updated my list for now. I still reserve the right to adjust it over the next 4 weeks. It certainly goes against the consensus and I really struggled to eek out 43 names. Lol.
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Did you leave out Cam Giles or not rate him top 43?

Interesting list. It's very subjective after the first few. I have quite a few in the same range you do.

Will release my mock in the next week or two.
 
TJTIGER said:
Would we consider picking up Mac Weller after GC let him go ? Drafted fairly high and @17 yrs from memory. Only 21 & an inside mid that has had an interrupted run due to a few injuries. MR tigs2010 TUFLA and anyone else ?
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I lived in Tas the year Mav got pre-listed by GC, so probably saw more of him than most, but even then - injuries meant I wouldn't have seen him more than 5 times live before he was drafted.

Contested bull who seemed to have lots of time at junior level and in the TSL, but that never quite translated to the next level - seems to lack a yard (curious as he was always a terrific junior athlete), and when you add on average disposal and not a phenomenal football brain, he tended to get lost in the spread of the AFL.

May have been hurt by bulking up so much so fast. Like to see him get lean and really work on that outside game.

Think there's bits to work with - and wouldn't mind having a look as a rookie.
 

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TFLUA-Tiger said:
Did you leave out Cam Giles or not rate him top 43?

Interesting list. It's very subjective after the first few. I have quite a few in the same range you do.

Will release my mock in the next week or two.
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Forgot. I actually realised that this morning. I've slotted him in at 29. So ahead of Lobb.
 
TJTIGER said:
Would we consider picking up Mac Weller after GC let him go ? Drafted fairly high and @17 yrs from memory. Only 21 & an inside mid that has had an interrupted run due to a few injuries. MR tigs2010 TUFLA and anyone else ?
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As a rookie I would but seems like Saints will strike first.
 
TJTIGER said:
Looks like he has a lot of room for development. Seems to have the physical traits and a big call from Mark Williams saying he's the most complete footballer he's seen since Wayne Carey...that's a big call. Although tbh not sure what Carey was like school age....
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Where was this? How do you know Mark Williams said that? (Choco right?)
 
From his profile on the AFL website

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/matthew-scharenberg

Once described by Mark Williams as the best schoolboy talent he had seen since Wayne Carey, the South Australian is extremely composed in his disposal and shows great temperament in heavy traffic. Scharenberg is a 190cm key position player who is equally comfortable forward or back. Had an outstanding NAB AFL Under-18 Championships which saw him collect back-to-back All Australian selections in 2012-13. Scharenberg came runner-up in the Larke Medal for the best player in Division One and his ability to read the play and strong hands make him an unstoppable force in the air. Is considered a strong chance to be selected in the top-five in this year's draft.
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Upon further reading, your list is very interesting tigs2010 , you rate Sheed very high whilst Scharenberg only at 7 and would definitely have Crouch higher, will be the Mitch Grigg of the draft but bigger impact at AFL level I believe, all to there own opinions! Great Effort :thumbsu:
 
Found it for those interested

Quigley said:
For a different perspective on Lennon.

Ben Lennon
DOB 5/7/95 Ht 189 Wt 80

Lennon has been a Twomey love child this year, putting out several articles telling us how great Lennon is and how he is a virtual certainty for the top 10. Play anywhere on the ground, explosive, elite kick yadda yadda yadda. Well personally I do not see it. He looks like the typical second tier Metro kid who finishes the year well and they are talked up out of all proportion. A lot of people on BF have jumped onboard the Lennon love train and it is possible that I am wrong but if he is taken in the top 10 I am going to be shocked. This is not a case where I rate his tools a bit differently to others I just do not see him having those tools to start with.

Lets start with probably the big issue. Of the flanker/midfield groups he would sit firmly at or very close to bottom for athleticism and very real questions have to be asked about whether he has the athletic ability to play at AFL level most especially in his preferred HFF role. Lets start physically. 189cm is pretty good for a midfielder but it is getting to be pretty average for a flanker and combine that with short arms and small hands and we are not off to a fantastic start in supposedly his strength area. Another thing which gets talked up is his explosiveness. Well he was bottom 20% (this includes rucks remember) over the first 5m of the 20m sprint and his back half was nothing out of the ordinary leaving him with a time in the 3.20 range. So pace and explosiveness are a cross. I will say that his repeat sprints were better but that only put him up into the average category.

I have seen show a good lateral movement to evade tacklers but I have also seen him get nailed by tacklers that I thought he should have been able to step around and so I was interested to see what he scored in the agility test. Bottom 5%. The only players who scored worse than him on the agility test were a few rucks and many of them scored better than him. I will say that I was surprised with the result. I had a big range in my mind where he could go but bottom 5% was well below where I thought he would end up. Beep in the mid 13s was nothing to write home about and a bottom 25% in the 3km was disappointing. A lot of the highlights for Lennon are him taking nice marks so jumping was expected to be decent at the very least. Well he was bottom 10% in the vertical and below 50% in each of the running jumps.

If I am honest I will concede that these results surprised me a lot. I did not expect him to be a stand out athlete but I did think he was probably going to be above average. He obviously plays better than he tests but these sort of athletic deficiencies are often found out at AFL level when playing against guys who are just as smart as you are as a footballer and are much superior athletes. So even before we start to look at his game there are big question marks.

Okay onto his game and I hear a lot of talk about how great a kick Lennon is. Pin point passes over 50m to hit guys in stride on the chest. Well I have to say that I have missed those ones. I would say that Lennon is a good kick but I am not seeing it as being elite and it is probably a fair way from that. He does have good penetration and can hoof it 55m. His usual approach is to go with long or 3/4 kicks which are most often to contests. He does not tend to look to use short to intermediate targets as much as he should and will probably be instructed to lower his eyes more at AFL level. I do not rate his decision making or vision as being anything more than average for his position. He tends to take obvious targets which is not bad but I do not see him setting up play like Billings say who played a similar role at the Champs. Around goals he could also be better and will miss goals you would like to see him get. He waves the ball a little in his set shot approach but nothing too bad. As with his field kicking he has good range and might actually be better further from goal where the pressure is on him a bit less.

Okay I have been very harsh on him up to this time. What does he do well? Well his marking gets a lot of praise and I would tend to agree with that. I think his hands are good (but not great) and he uses his body excellently in marking contests. He is strong through the core and maintains focus and balance really well in body on body situations. He judges the ball in the air pretty well and marks most that come his way. With the ball on the ground he has really clean hands for a flanker and this gives him a bit more time to work with than others. He can swoop and collect at pace and make opportunities.

Lennon does have some class about him and good things do often happen when he is involved in the play. This is a little hard to explain but I think he has good football IQ about some things (reading the play, body work, positioning around goal) but I probably couldn't say that about everything (decision making, leading and passing lanes). In most games there will be a wow moment or two which really make you notice him - a spin move out of a pack, a swooping pick up and go etc.

Teams have wanted to see him more as a midfielder this year (you can probably hide athletic deficiencies a little more there) and credit too him that he stood up and put up some good numbers there in the TAC. He did not play a heap of games but averaged 25 disposals a game over the year and 28 disposals over the last 4 or 5 games when playing a lot of midfield time. He played as a half forward at the Champs and only managed 12.6 disposals per game which I did not think was a particularly good return. I particularly followed him in the SA game where he matched up on Scharenberg quite a bit and Scharenberg gave him an absolute bath. The difference in ability was very evident in that game and cemented for me that he was not in that class and definitely not a top 10 pick for me.


If I was looking at him I would be trying to develop him into a Sidebottom type midfielder who can go forward. Sidebottom is also not the most athletic player in the world and has a similar good but not great kick. Sidebottom's decision making are probably better than Lennon's but you would hope that would come. Lennon's clean hands also allow some prospect that he will develop a decent inside game as he gets more time on ball. I have been pretty harsh on Lennon but I have to stress that I actually don't mind him as a prospect. I just think talk of him being a top 10er should be way off base.
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Is it possible we will only use 1 pick on a young player? Considering our 2nd pick is 50 I wouldn't be surprised if we went after a couple delisted players or rookie upgrades! Still hoping we go for Dunstan at 12! Think he's a perfect player for us!


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Calcium Man said:
Man don't just say it paste a link. Now i have to go over there and find it
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The Brisbane draft thread is worth reading regardless. That board is blessed with quality draft coverage.

The thing about Lennon is that he lacks Vlastuin's versatility. While Vlastuin played down back and in the middle, and has proven himself up forward at times this year, Lennon has had his best games up forward IMO. He's a forward with not great athleticism, and you wonder where his position at senior level is. I also think he lacks Vlastuin's football smarts, work ethic and his leadership. Then again, Quigley took chunks out of Vlastuin last year, so maybe he'll be alright.

One thing I've noticed is that outside Knightmare, everyone in the bigfooty community, as well as the afl community and other draft watchers really rate Salem. His combination of defensive skills and offensive weaponry make him a safe good pick IMO.
 
KingJ said:
Upon further reading, your list is very interesting tigs2010 , you rate Sheed very high whilst Scharenberg only at 7 and would definitely have Crouch higher, will be the Mitch Grigg of the draft but bigger impact at AFL level I believe, all to there own opinions! Great Effort :thumbsu:
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Thanks mate. It is a bit different from the norm. I've made no secret that I really rate Dom Sheed. I had him close to number 1 with Boyd heading into the season. Scharenberg I'm warming to. I've re-watched the tapes paying closer attention to him. He could probably go higher on my list too. Dunstan is the other I rate higher than most.

I just don't rate Crouch. He really just seems like a scrapper. If you were picking him in the second round you'd be happy but he's not a 1st rounder for mine. Personally I want that combination of skills, athleticism & toughness in a high pick.

If you look at the guys I have down lower it's guys like...

Crouch - skills & athleticism
Taylor - skills & size
Bonts - too outside
Hartung - soft as butter
 
nugget_12 said:
Is it possible we will only use 1 pick on a young player? Considering our 2nd pick is 50 I wouldn't be surprised if we went after a couple delisted players or rookie upgrades! Still hoping we go for Dunstan at 12! Think he's a perfect player for us!


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Hope not. There will still be a decent kid at 50 IMO. Then take a mature player like Gordon who at 23 still has some upside. Then a rookie upgrade.
 

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