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He is entitled to his opinion .Calling someone a fool because they don't agree with you says more about you than him.

Im not calling him a fool because i dont agree with him. Calling him a fool because of his rationale saying that someone has the best kick in our team because they get the most inside 50s... pretty clear difference there champ
 
I strongly disagree with you and I think there are a lot on here who are critical of him lack anything resembling impartial judgement. Barlow last year got a free ride in terms of turnovers, ditto Ballas, Ditto Spurr. D.Pearce at least kicks the ball sixty metres while there are plenty who have a slow up and under trajectory. D>Pearce is generally a gun at preseason kicking. That has been repeated by plenty more than me. Rubbish on Suban being loopy passes to do with Suban too. Im not having a personal go, but I think your opinion is significantly inaccurate. There are some on here who are have their mind set on Suban and D>pearce. In my opinion there views are massively off base when compared to facts.

Sorry, but kicking the ball 60 metres blindly is not how you are going to win a flag. The way the hawks play (the way everyone is trying to base their game plan on) is by using precise foot skills, they would never want those big blind bombs that Pearce does as it allows the opposition to intercept and counter attack with far more ease.

And yes, I am very aware of barlow and spurrs poor disposal as well, but this argument stemmed from when I pointed out Pearce's kicks at training that I saw and you jumped down my throat for bagging him.

Btw, what facts are you using for your views - disposal efficiency? Sorry to say but it is seen as a somewhat meaningless stat by the coaches, even our own coach, Ross The Boss, has said in several post match pressers that its meaningless.

Apologies for derailing the thread as well mods
 
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I'm not going to educate you if you're going to be willfully ignorant. Zlatan is no slouch.

its soccer. yawn. And the best players are on the other side of the world.

We get to see the best football player in the world play and train on our doorstep. And a game of football doesn't have to be reduced to a 30 second highlight reel so that it isn't incredibly boring.

See - I'm trying to re rail the thread, back to the awesomeness that is Fyfe on the trading track!
 
its soccer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzwFZi0zyGo
It's Wogball...
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People too easily ignore the other things which Pearce(and the other maligned kicks)contribute to our game.Of course their kicking can improve but to bring someone in who is a better kick but contributes less in other critical areas....
So it's a balance and there's room for others who have more complete skillsets(as well as fitness,game nous and discipline) or for the incumbents to improve certain areas.
It's not sentiment,favoritism or anything more complicated than the match committee selecting the 22 most likely to win...and build a side capable of doing that anytime,anywhere.
 
Lol. I appreciate his effort, but he could've easily posted a link.
My thoughts exactly. Bombed a whole page when a singular link would have been suffice.

Kid has form. He hit every team board with the same treatment. We showered him with the likes he was so desperately seeking so I guess we can look forward to more!

:thumbsu:
 
I strongly disagree with you and I think there are a lot on here who are critical of him lack anything resembling impartial judgement. Barlow last year got a free ride in terms of turnovers, ditto Ballas, Ditto Spurr. D.Pearce at least kicks the ball sixty metres while there are plenty who have a slow up and under trajectory. D>Pearce is generally a gun at preseason kicking. That has been repeated by plenty more than me. Rubbish on Suban being loopy passes to do with Suban too. Im not having a personal go, but I think your opinion is significantly inaccurate. There are some on here who are have their mind set on Suban and D>pearce. In my opinion there views are massively off base when compared to facts.

I agree that Barlow and Spurr aren't great kicks. Ballantyne is an above average kick, although he is prone to the occasional clanger. But what you've done here is you've compared people of completely different positions and roles.

Barlow is an INSIDE mid. He played a fair chunk of the season on a HFF but even Ross himself acknowledged today that he was being played out of position. His fundamental role is to win the ball inside and distribute it to the runners. Hopefully, a move back to the midfield as an inside mid will mask his poor footskills. His turnovers drove me crazy last year.

Spurr is a LOCKDOWN defender. His fundamental role is to stop his opponent from scoring goals. He is not a great kick but I would go as far to say he is a much better kick than Danyle. Like Ballantyne, he is prone to the occasional clanger/brain fade. It gets pretty hot in the kitchen in the backline, so I forgive the occasional brain fade, so long as it is only occasional [imagine Danyle Pearce's howlers if he played in the backline!]. A positive about Spurr's kicking is that he has a serviceable non-preferred foot.

Danyle Pearce, on the other hand, is an OUTSIDE midfielder. The two most important skills for him are RUNNING and KICKING. He offers little in winning contested ball. Unfortunately, he is a shocking kick of the football. Just because you can kick long doesn't make you a good kick. Possession footy is the golden ticket at the moment and his skills are disastrous when trying to retain possession. I would much rather a player kick 40m to a target than kick 60m straight to a contest which is easily pipped off by a defender. Hell, I would rather a player kicked 30m to a target. At least that way we retain possession and give ourselves the best opportunity to get a good look at the goals with our next possession.

... And can posters please stop harping on about Danyle Pearce's elite kick at training as though it will translate into elite kicking on game day. If he can't get it done on match day then it means squat. I attend the odd training session and I personally disagree that he is one of the elite kicks but I'll take your word for it. In any event, all his 'elite training kick' does is confirm that he struggles with the mental side of the game. When the pressures on, and the whips are cracking, Danyle's kick doesn't get it done. He has proven this time and time again in finals footy. I do really appreciate the training reports, but if he hasn't been able to kick well after 12 or so years in the system, then it isn't going to happen this year. I repeat that I do really appreciate the training reports, I am just puzzled that some people think it's just going to happen this year.

As for Suban, I'm still yet to decide what he brings to the team. I have never really worked out his role. Does he bring an elite kick? I don't think so. Technically, his kick looks sound but I rarely see him hit targets. Like Danyle Pearce I think he is a poor decision maker under pressure.
 
**** me. Do we have to do this ****ing DP kicking shit again? He's never as good as he seems or as bad as he seems. He adds a lot to the team but could improve.

The season hasn't even started. I might need additional help. Tobiko 's only ever post was to claim DP as buddy, which might just be an elaborate troll.
 

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