2015 Ladder predictions

[loki04]

Anyone who has us above 17th is drunk.

You're right clearly will finish 18th.

 

[RichMill]

Might as well have a shot at this...

1. Hawthorn (P)
2. Port Adelaide
3. Sydney
4. North Melbourne
5. Fremantle
6. Essendon
7. Geelong
8. Collingwood
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9. Gold Coast
10. Adelaide
11. West Coast
12. Richmond
13. Brisbane
14. GWS
15. Carlton
16. St. Kilda
17. Melbourne
18. Western Bulldogs

Keep in mind that a few of these are interchangeable (this including the very top and bottom of the table) because so much can swing the ladder against teams during the season.

 

[TBOW]

MacRea only rated because had a 40+ possession game and since then done jack! Slacker running back

Oh gillo, please stop.

Macrae averaged 26.8 disposals this year. That's 2 a game more than ANY Carlton player.

He also averaged 3 more afl fantasy points a game than ANY Carlton player.

You are your own worst enemy...

 

[Halftimehero]

MacRea only rated because had a 40+ possession game and since then done jack! Slacker running back

He had 9 games where he had 30 disposals or more and another 6 with 25 or more, pretty sure he had more than one good game.

 

[roosmad]

yet you rank west coast- a team notorious for their mediocre midfield- as number 1 on your ladder prediction?

Much more rounded side than essendon, west coast playing list underperformed last year, watch and see...

 

[roosmad]

Menzel, Cripps, Graham, Buckley, Boekhorst, Holman, Docherty I think will become decent players

Jaksch and Giles coming off interrupted starts have high hopes too same with Whiley, think will be good replacement for few mids who recently left like McLean & Robinson

Clem Smith highly rated same with DVR

All those dogs players other than Libba and maybe Stringer unproven

Clem smith highly rated, so what does being taken in the 50's say?

 

[ManOfClay]

Clem smith highly rated, so what does being taken in the 50's say?

That is a glorious gillo post. All Dogs players bar Libba and maybe Stringer (who would have just about led Carlton's goalkicking last year) are unproven but Clem Smith and DVR are highly rated and guys like Graham, Boekhorst and Holman will be decent and are certainly more proven that Bontempelli and Macrae.

 

[Boppo]

GWS to finish 8th.

 

[TBOW]

GWS to finish 8th.

I've seen a few people miss one or two teams, but 17?!

 

[eth-dog]

Much more rounded side than essendon, west coast playing list underperformed last year, watch and see...

Not really. West Coast's midfield is deplorable.

 

[Trav 20]

Blues have second worst list after Dees.
But Dees have a better coach.
Both bottom 4 with Saints (who have a horrible list plus Reiwoldt)

So Melbourne have the second worst list in the competition ?

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.

I suspect you know nothing about our players, our list, or it's potential for improvement.

Now, if you respond by saying that they're all unproven, etc., I'll know where your footy acumen lies.

 

[eth-dog]

So Melbourne have the second worst list in the competition ?

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.

I suspect you know nothing about our players, our list, or it's potential for improvement.

Now, if you respond by saying that they're all unproven, etc., I'll know where your footy acumen lies.

Name a side with a worse 25 and over.

 

[TBOW]

So Melbourne have the second worst list in the competition ?

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.

I suspect you know nothing about our players, our list, or it's potential for improvement.

Now, if you respond by saying that they're all unproven, etc., I'll know where your footy acumen lies.

Libba, Wallis, Dalhaus, Johannisen, Smith, Talia, Darley, Jong, Roberts, Stringer, Macrae, Hrovat, Hunter, Bontempelli, Honeychurch, Boyd.

 

[Thrillhouse!]

So Melbourne have the second worst list in the competition ?

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.

I suspect you know nothing about our players, our list, or it's potential for improvement.

Now, if you respond by saying that they're all unproven, etc., I'll know where your footy acumen lies.

I dont understand how people can go on about how good there list is and add guys that havent even played a game yet. And salem has played like 12 games. Even hogan with all the raps on him is yet to prove himself. Wouldnt go sprouting of at the mouth too early. With melbournes history of developing players. Dogs under 22 is the best in vic

 

[rustyg70]

So Melbourne have the second worst list in the competition ?

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.
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The Pies go alright.
Fasolo, Elliott, Grundy, Kennedy, Frost, Witts, Langdon, Adams, Gault, Williams, Broomhead and Seedsman all played last year for the Pies.

Karnezis and Crisp haven't played for us yet.

Plus top 10 picks, Freeman, Scharenberg, Moore and DeGoey haven't debuted yet.

 

[cotter101]

The Pies go alright.
Fasolo, Elliott, Grundy, Kennedy, Frost, Witts, Langdon, Adams, Gault, Williams, Broomhead and Seedsman all played last year for the Pies.

Karnezis and Crisp haven't played for us yet.

Plus top 10 picks, Freeman, Scharenberg, Moore and DeGoey haven't debuted yet.

Crisp will be good for you guys. Showed a lot in his last few games with us.

 

[Sprout]

I dont understand how people can go on about how good there list is and add guys that havent even played a game yet. And salem has played like 12 games. Even hogan with all the raps on him is yet to prove himself. Wouldnt go sprouting of at the mouth too early. With melbournes history of developing players. Dogs under 22 is the best in vic

I think there is some truth to this in that a fair portion of the top end talent in the under 22 category has just been acquired and therefore yet to play - Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, Stretch and O McDonald.

But when you add those names to Hogan, Tyson, Viney, Salem, Toumpas, Kennedy-Harris, Kent, T McDonald, Gawn, Frost and Michie, as much as I like the Dogs' youth, I wouldn't switch with them. I'm sure Dogs fans would say the same with the tables reversed.

If you're talking youth stocks of talent, we are now full to the brim. We just need to develop them right. So far so good with the exception of Toump, however there have been injury concerns in his first two years that haven't helped.

 

[ManOfClay]

I think there is some truth to this in that a fair portion of the top end talent in the under 22 category has just been acquired and therefore yet to play - Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, Stretch and O McDonald.

But when you add those names to Hogan, Tyson, Viney, Salem, Toumpas, Kennedy-Harris, Kent, T McDonald, Gawn, Frost and Michie, as much as I like the Dogs' youth, I wouldn't switch with them. I'm sure Dogs fans would say the same with the tables reversed.

It's a bit of a stretch to call someone like Oscar McDonald "top end talent". If he was, why did he last so long?

My argument here from a Bulldogs perspective is we already had the superior to Melbourne top-end young talent on our list before this draft, fleshing it out through the draft. Perhaps not all of them straight away, but Toby McLean, Lukas Webb and Caleb Daniel have looked very likely so far in the pre-season. I'd say CD is about 80/20 to debut within the first three rounds.

Plus add in Shane Biggs too coming from Sydney as a slightly older but still young type. He played in the finals for the Swans at one stage and looks like a good Nick Malceski type

 

[Sprout]

It's a bit of a stretch to call someone like Oscar McDonald "top end talent". If he was, why did he last so long?

Perhaps so, but it's honestly a mystery to me how he fell to us. Just as lucky as snaring ANB, if not moreso. He's basically a version of his older brother with much better disposal to add to his athleticism, agility, speed and reading of the play. There were some who had him going Pick 20 onwards.

But feel free to remove him from "top end ". He'll be a very decent KPD in future years imo.

 

[Bobby_]

Port Adelaide
Sydney
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Gold Coast
Essendon
Collingwood
West Coast

Fremantle
Brisbane
Geelong
Richmond
GWS
Adelaide
Western Bulldogs
Melbourne
Carlton
St. Kilda

Lions thumped your mob on your home deck at the end of last year, that was without Dayne Beams. What makes you think Collingwood move up the ladder when you have just lost your second best midfielder and replaced him with also-rans?
Brisbane on the other hand, well, they have as dominant midfield (on paper) as what Collingwood had 07-10.

 

[go you pups]

Lions thumped your mob on your home deck at the end of last year, that was without Dayne Beams. What makes you think Collingwood move up the ladder when you have just lost your second best midfielder and replaced him with also-rans?
Brisbane on the other hand, well, they have as dominant midfield (on paper) as what Collingwood had 07-10.

It will be interesting to see who is able to kick Brisbane a winning score this year and if Brisbane's midfield can help their forward line develop quick through good delivery, plenty of inside 50s etc.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Name a club in Melbourne with a better list of '22 and under' ?

Tyson, Hogan, Viney, Salem, McDonald, Gawn, Kent, and Kennedy-Harris will play most games and I'd expect Petracca and Brayshaw to be far better prospects than some of our earlier mistakes, as they're big bodied tall inside mids, i.e. the ones far more likely to succeed. That's 10 x '22 and under' I'd expect to play more than half the season. There's a reason we won't make the 8, but the list is in very good shape. But if you don't count the players under 23 you may have a point.

As I said, name me a better group of 22 and under for clubs based in Melbourne. And name the players.

I like Melbourne's young list, but how about McCartin, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Goddard, Templeton, Newnes, Webster, White, McKenzie, Wright, Longer, Ross, Membrey, Lonie, Murdoch, Saunders, Bruce, Weller, Curren, Siposs, Markworth, Minchington and Pierce? I'd expect at least 12 of them to play more than half the season if they don't have any significant injuries (Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Newnes, Webster, Wright, Ross, Weller, Murdoch, Saunders, Bruce, probably Curren too and maybe Membrey. Wouldn't be particularly shocked if any of Longer, McCartin, White, Markworth or McKenzie did, either, or Goddard, if we have injuries down back.).

Many probably wouldn't realise this, but we have 24 on our senior list alone who are currently 22yo or younger, compared to 17 on Melbourne's list. WB also have 24. We've been rebuilding our list for 4 offseasons now and have had a lot of picks in the first 3 rounds of those drafts and also traded in others who cost us picks in the first 3 rounds of those drafts, so we have plenty of young talent and a bunch of them are now in their 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th seasons and ought to be more ready for the rigors of senior AFL footy.

Unless they "pull a Melbourne" I expect Melbourne to finish highest of those 3 clubs this season though, as they significantly improved their list in both the short and long term this offseason and of course will hopefully have Hogan available to play this year and I expect him to go bang from the get-go.

 

[go you pups]

aussierulesrules with you boys your midfield lacks class still with Hayes, B Goddard and Dal Santo gone and Montagna strugging with tags/age last year after a PB 2013 season. This is the only area where Melbourne have you covered perhaps due to their recent trading/drafting.

Dunstan will be a gun grunt type, Acres looks a solid big bodied type even though I've only seen him twice and Curren will be a gun run with type. Will Billings be able to run through midfield eventually? Looks a class act across half forward though. Weller looks to have found a spot in the side.

I also like what Bains and co have done over the last two-three years in getting the big talls in to develop early through a rebuild and not getting them in when it's a little late when you start going back up the ladder, surely with McCartin, H Goddard, Hickey, Longer, Bruce, White, Delaney, Payne etc there will be a solid core of KPPs who all of them seem likely to have high ceilings of development to take over from your talisma's in Riewoldt and Fisher. With the extra 2-3 KPPs you guys have the Dogs slightly covered there.

Then you have your flankers/pocket types around like Wright, Webster, Shenton, Michington, Membrey, Saunders, Saad and Markworth. Will McKenzie play midfield or across half back? I guess all of them boys have the opportunity to put their hands up and cement a place in the team. Whoever doesn't make it will get moved on and easily replaced via trade/draft/rookie draft.

I would say if you draft in a couple of X Factor types to boost the midfield/forward of centre over the next two drafts and by the time them kids breakout come their 3rd season your KPPs will be ready, so by 2018 I'd expect you guys to be hovering around the top 8. It's a big project obviously to set yourselves to win a flag by 2020 but the places are firmly set. As I mentioned X Factor types we have you guys and Melbourne covered in that department with Stringer, Bontempelli, Dahlhaus etc.

Siposs and Lee have to save their careers this year imo. Must hold onto Steven and Armitage, Steven has X Factor and he gives the midfield some pace while I rate Armitage well above the likes of Ray and Geary due to him being able to kick a goal and play as an inside mid.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

It will be interesting to see who is able to kick Brisbane a winning score this year and if Brisbane's midfield can help their forward line develop quick through good delivery, plenty of inside 50s etc.

Staker will be up there he'll add experience......

if he doesn't get injured again

 

[Periphery]

Will Billings be able to run through midfield eventually?

That's the plan. He was having some stints in the middle this year but just didn't quite have the tank yet to do it too much. I was watching him closely when he was in the middle and I thought he showed some real poise and talent in close. I think the end goal with him is to have him play the majority in the middle but rotate forward regularly.

I'm obviously biased, but if he gets his tank up in the preseason then I think he could have a really big 2015 and really show what he can do. Similar to Wingard in his second, although probably not as much due to the Saints being much worse than Port in 2013.