2015 QAFA (B) Central

[footy80]

We ( the woodsmen ) had about 7 guys out last night. And with a couple communication errors only ended up having 20 for the game. Kenmore had about 4 senior players filling in for their 3rds last night. De winter is one of the better players running around in qafl South.

Saying that majority of the kenmore side was their normal 3rd's team and they played really well. And we had to lift in the second half to get the win.

Next week we will get most of our players back and hopefully we can find some better form over the next few weeks playing two of the better teams in the comp.

 

[Philpy17]

I believe kedron are still favourites. I don't think we played their best side last week, an even though we won the last quarter (you take the little victories) you just felt kedron maybe backed off a bit - and I don't blame them. Hard to maintain the rage when your 50 in front and winning possession against a team still blooding a lot of new players and missing a heap. Deadset, they were everywhere. Running in numbers and just moving the ball up the field with ease. Fit side, at least 2 players crumbling what seemed every contested possession.

Kedron to win the comp, against Woodsmen in the final. Zillmere and jimboomba to be eliminated in the semis.

Just having a guess, lay off the hate!!


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Your right it is hard to keep the foot down when your 50 up we were in a similar position to that against Kedron and won a quarter. Jimboomba is the only team we couldn't take a quarter off and I have feeling they may be tough to beat especially if they can get home finals.

 

[Thommo 42]

All finals are Friday night, regardless of who has right to host. So depending on their lights it may throw a spanner 2 in their plans.

Woodies missing plenty, I'm on holidays now with a fellow player who is a gun defender.

Surprised to hear we only had 20 though

 

[Footyfan16]

As a huge supporter of local footy and being based on the north side I saw the clash between the Mayne Tigers and Zillmere the ideal game to go to on Friday night. I wasn't expecting too much after zillmere embarrassed The young Mayne side by 120+ in round 1 but I am extremely impressed by what I saw. Mayne kept themselves in the game and even led for a period in the 4th quarter. It's amazing how far that team has come since the start of the season. Obviously it's a little too late to make their move this year and having the team I ussually go to see in sandgate two weeks in a row makes for an extremely tough back end to the season, they are most defenantly not a team to underestimate in seasons to come. What are the thoughts on the structure for next year's competition? Is it possible to even out the competition with the existing clubs and maybe some new comers forming two separate competitions? Or maybe just a restructure of the central, north and south leagues?

 

[Getting to old]

They have to split the leage. We have lost by over 10 goals the past 2 weeks and being a true thirds club it makes it hard to keep new players at the club.No one like to loose by that much. At the end of the year take to top 7 teams and make a it div 1 and then bottom 7 div 2. bottom and top 2 teams change div every year. Play every team twice. 14 round season + finals

 

[Pea Nut]

As a huge supporter of local footy and being based on the north side I saw the clash between the Mayne Tigers and Zillmere the ideal game to go to on Friday night. I wasn't expecting too much after zillmere embarrassed The young Mayne side by 120+ in round 1 but I am extremely impressed by what I saw. Mayne kept themselves in the game and even led for a period in the 4th quarter. It's amazing how far that team has come since the start of the season. Obviously it's a little too late to make their move this year and having the team I ussually go to see in sandgate two weeks in a row makes for an extremely tough back end to the season, they are most defenantly not a team to underestimate in seasons to come. What are the thoughts on the structure for next year's competition? Is it possible to even out the competition with the existing clubs and maybe some new comers forming two separate competitions? Or maybe just a restructure of the central, north and south leagues?

Will no doubt see some sort of re-structure with teams wanting to go up a division. I think the competition is better having more teams in it, rather than having it split up again. League's which have teams playing each other every few weeks is ridiculous, and it's beyond me why anyone would want it set up that way. This friday night league has the potential to continue to grow and attract and keep some very good players running around playing footy.

 

[Pea Nut]

They have to split the leage. We have lost by over 10 goals the past 2 weeks and being a true thirds club it makes it hard to keep new players at the club.No one like to loose by that much. At the end of the year take to top 7 teams and make a it div 1 and then bottom 7 div 2. bottom and top 2 teams change div every year. Play every team twice. 14 round season + finals

With a bye after every 3 weeks. Yeah thats attractive !!

 

[tigerhawk]

As a huge supporter of local footy and being based on the north side I saw the clash between the Mayne Tigers and Zillmere the ideal game to go to on Friday night. I wasn't expecting too much after zillmere embarrassed The young Mayne side by 120+ in round 1 but I am extremely impressed by what I saw. Mayne kept themselves in the game and even led for a period in the 4th quarter. It's amazing how far that team has come since the start of the season. Obviously it's a little too late to make their move this year and having the team I ussually go to see in sandgate two weeks in a row makes for an extremely tough back end to the season, they are most defenantly not a team to underestimate in seasons to come. What are the thoughts on the structure for next year's competition? Is it possible to even out the competition with the existing clubs and maybe some new comers forming two separate competitions? Or maybe just a restructure of the central, north and south leagues?

Was a good game to watch I thought as well played in the right spirit from both sides...Mayne for the last month have been pretty solid...They are just struggling to contain the key fwds in most sides as they are pretty young and light side with minimal talls...

 

[RAZ66]

AS said in another section , bit bored at work.

So after reading a few posts about teams being stacked from higher divisions I put the following list together.

This shows players who have played in B Central who have also played in a SENIOR team in a higher division , it doesn't include RESERVES teams dropping down a division,

Player Name Team Matches in Div 4 / Matches in Other Seniors.
Damien Brereton Ipswich Eagles 3 11
Christopher Devlin Ipswich Eagles 2 11
Clinton Robson Bears 1 11
Jordan Godfrey Ipswich Eagles 1 11
Matthew Hogan Bears 1 11
Jake De Winter Bears 1 10
Jake Evans Tigers 1 10
Jarryd Ventris Bears 1 10
Aaron Fortescue Ipswich Eagles 2 9
Shane Loney Bears 1 9
Tyson Watts Ipswich Eagles 1 9
Sullivan Hall Devils 2 8
Jonathan Jennings Devils 1 8
Brenton Crilly Red Lions 1 8
Tom Henwood Bears 1 8
Justin Cummings Ipswich Eagles 3 7
Jared Thomlinson Devils 1 7
Jordan Morrison Tigers 1 7
Aaron Russell Eagles 5 6
Joshua White Ipswich Eagles 2 6
Chris Lovett Kings 1 6
Shane Mcgrath Devils 1 6
Corey Massingham Tigers 1 6
Matthew Murray Ipswich Eagles 1 6
Irwin Adam Ipswich Eagles 11 5
Jebal Williams Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Matthew Gordon Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Ryan Mcallister Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Thomas Stephenson Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Nicholas Guys Lions 7 4
Travis Gordon Ipswich Eagles 5 4
Billy North Ipswich Eagles 2 4
Chris Parker Devils 1 4
Jaike Bowen Bears 1 4
James Brant Devils 1 4
Mitchell Mullen Bears 1 4
Brent Burton Eagles 10 3
Zane Cude Ipswich Eagles 3 3
Nicholas Lennon Bears 2 3
Nathan Armstrong Devils 1 3
Luke Brennan Red Lions 1 3
Aaron Mckeown Bears 1 3
Jacob Guise Redbacks 9 2
Ryan Yorston Lions 9 2
Toby Mccullagh Ipswich Cats 3 2
Matthew Kenna Kings 2 2
Sean Ockwell Ipswich Eagles 2 2
Phillip Shaw Red Lions 1 2
Jarrod White Ipswich Eagles 1 2
Rory Akermanis Ipswich Eagles 1 2
Justyn Bilston Ipswich Eagles 4 1
Andrew Schmidt Red Lions 3 1
Trent Smith Ipswich Eagles 3 1
Brandon Campbell Ipswich Eagles 2 1
Kym Mansell Ipswich Eagles 2 1
Nathan Bell Lions 2 1
Byron Spurling Kings 1 1
Matthew Hartley Bears 1 1
Fletcher Parr Ipswich Eagles 1 1

All meaningless I know !! LOL

 

[Pea Nut]

Interesting stats Raz, way more than I would have expected, especially going off claims posted on here !!!

 

[Getting to old]

AS said in another section , bit bored at work.

So after reading a few posts about teams being stacked from higher divisions I put the following list together.

This shows players who have played in B Central who have also played in a SENIOR team in a higher division , it doesn't include RESERVES teams dropping down a division,

Player Name Team Matches in Div 4 / Matches in Other Seniors.
Damien Brereton Ipswich Eagles 3 11
Christopher Devlin Ipswich Eagles 2 11
Clinton Robson Bears 1 11
Jordan Godfrey Ipswich Eagles 1 11
Matthew Hogan Bears 1 11
Jake De Winter Bears 1 10
Jake Evans Tigers 1 10
Jarryd Ventris Bears 1 10
Aaron Fortescue Ipswich Eagles 2 9
Shane Loney Bears 1 9
Tyson Watts Ipswich Eagles 1 9
Sullivan Hall Devils 2 8
Jonathan Jennings Devils 1 8
Brenton Crilly Red Lions 1 8
Tom Henwood Bears 1 8
Justin Cummings Ipswich Eagles 3 7
Jared Thomlinson Devils 1 7
Jordan Morrison Tigers 1 7
Aaron Russell Eagles 5 6
Joshua White Ipswich Eagles 2 6
Chris Lovett Kings 1 6
Shane Mcgrath Devils 1 6
Corey Massingham Tigers 1 6
Matthew Murray Ipswich Eagles 1 6
Irwin Adam Ipswich Eagles 11 5
Jebal Williams Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Matthew Gordon Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Ryan Mcallister Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Thomas Stephenson Ipswich Eagles 1 5
Nicholas Guys Lions 7 4
Travis Gordon Ipswich Eagles 5 4
Billy North Ipswich Eagles 2 4
Chris Parker Devils 1 4
Jaike Bowen Bears 1 4
James Brant Devils 1 4
Mitchell Mullen Bears 1 4
Brent Burton Eagles 10 3
Zane Cude Ipswich Eagles 3 3
Nicholas Lennon Bears 2 3
Nathan Armstrong Devils 1 3
Luke Brennan Red Lions 1 3
Aaron Mckeown Bears 1 3
Jacob Guise Redbacks 9 2
Ryan Yorston Lions 9 2
Toby Mccullagh Ipswich Cats 3 2
Matthew Kenna Kings 2 2
Sean Ockwell Ipswich Eagles 2 2
Phillip Shaw Red Lions 1 2
Jarrod White Ipswich Eagles 1 2
Rory Akermanis Ipswich Eagles 1 2
Justyn Bilston Ipswich Eagles 4 1
Andrew Schmidt Red Lions 3 1
Trent Smith Ipswich Eagles 3 1
Brandon Campbell Ipswich Eagles 2 1
Kym Mansell Ipswich Eagles 2 1
Nathan Bell Lions 2 1
Byron Spurling Kings 1 1
Matthew Hartley Bears 1 1
Fletcher Parr Ipswich Eagles 1 1

All meaningless I know !! LOL

Not a lot of yeronga players and considering the thumpings we are getting at the moment and starting the game with 20 fit players on Friday night. Maybe we need to consider changing our game plan.

 

[Moro_]

Woodsmen over Kenmore 74 to 50 I think. Scrappy......

Moro_ can you or someone else on here tell me something? One of the umpires paid a free kick last night for a sling tackle right in front of where I was standing.

I didn't think there was any such thing? I don't believe either Gibbs nor Schultz had frees paid against them in recent AFL matches. But I could be wrong (it's happened once or twice in the past )

It was actually a good tackle, the bloke landed on his @rse and got straight back up. Seems strange to me.

Anyone?

Hello King ..... you are right and wrong (if that makes any sense) there is nothing specific about a sling tackle but it would fall under the following

Spirit and Intention of Awarding Free Kicks 15.1.1 (c) protect Players from sustaining injury;

15.4.5 (l) engaging in rough conduct against an opponent which in the circumstances is unreasonable

There is also the following I have found for consideration
"The pinning of arms and sending a player ground-ward has been an emerging concern for the AFL as the intensity of tackling has increased, with a number of players sustaining injuries, especially concussions and shoulder injuries, in this type of incident.
The umpires are looking for dangerous actions in the pinning of arms – this would typically be two actions, such as excessive force in lifting an opponent or driving him into the turf. Pinning the arms itself does not warrant a penalty

I hope that helps/makes sense in some way

 

[RAZ66]

Interesting stats Raz, way more than I would have expected, especially going off claims posted on here !!!

I guess a bit of knowledge of who the individuals are would also help. If a fringe player drops down due to lack of form it not an issue, but if a gun drops down then that may be a bit much.

 

[Pea Nut]

I guess a bit of knowledge of who the individuals are would also help. If a fringe player drops down due to lack of form it not an issue, but if a gun drops down then that may be a bit much.

There certainly are a few good names on that list. Kenmore obviously dropped a few of those back on the weekend, and then went close to beating Woodsmen by the looks of it, and Kenmore only have one win this season. That must give the rest of their list a bit of a boost for the rest of the year. I am sure some of those guys dropping back must get a bit of a shock when they see the standard of footy. I reckon it might be better than what they are expecting. It could potentially help grow the division, with experienced, quality players deciding to keep playing Friday night footy instead of giving the game away all together. The difference between the top sides and the bottom sides is all in the teams best 6 players I reckon. Every side is gonna have guys with not much experience, or new to the game. So all this talk about teams that are "true thirds sides" being disadvantaged, if you can tap into some quality experienced talent that have retired or considering retirement, and get these guys playing "thirds", a bottom side could easily become a top side in the space of a season.

 

[RAZ66]

There certainly are a few good names on that list. Kenmore obviously dropped a few of those back on the weekend, and then went close to beating Woodsmen by the looks of it, and Kenmore only have one win this season. That must give the rest of their list a bit of a boost for the rest of the year. I am sure some of those guys dropping back must get a bit of a shock when they see the standard of footy. I reckon it might be better than what they are expecting. It could potentially help grow the division, with experienced, quality players deciding to keep playing Friday night footy instead of giving the game away all together. The difference between the top sides and the bottom sides is all in the teams best 6 players I reckon. Every side is gonna have guys with not much experience, or new to the game. So all this talk about teams that are "true thirds sides" being disadvantaged, if you can tap into some quality experienced talent that have retired or considering retirement, and get these guys playing "thirds", a bottom side could easily become a top side in the space of a season.

With Kenmore having another bye in two weeks time , watch out whomever they are playing ....

 

[Pea Nut]

With Kenmore having another bye in two weeks time , watch out whomever they are playing ....

Had to go look it up. They play Yeronga in the make up game for the round 4 washout. Would make Kenmore favourites for that I reckon.

 

[RAZ66]

Had to go look it up. They play Yeronga in the make up game for the round 4 washout. Would make Kenmore favourites for that I reckon.

With Yeronga battling it out for top 4 position in their division wont be able to match any Kenmore drop back to "keep match fitness" lol

 

[QAFL_Fan]

I don't think there is a great deal of traditional 'stacking' going on, I think its more of a case of teams giving guys short of a gallop a bit of a run where its available to them (except in the case of the Ipswich Eagles it would appear)

Also some of those names are guys who have been cleared from clubs in different divisions, like Guise and Burton for example.

Looking at that list, guys like Lovet from Coorparoo played because they had been out for a number of weeks and needed a run. Byron Sperling is a gun and played against the Woodsmen last week for the Kings, but it was his first game of the season and he was straight into the 1's the following week. Thats not 'stacking' that is easing blokes who have been injured or away back into footy.

De Winter playing for Kenmore on Friday is another good example. Kenmore have a strange draw in the Seniors and have 2 byes in 3 weeks. He has also missed some games lately due to being away, so there was a game available to him and they used him.

To me, it's a feather in the cap of this competition. In previous years, clubs with 3rds sides wouldn't have even bothered because they would have though it was pointless giving senior players a run in a shitty comp and there would be no benefit. Now they see the standard of footy being played at this level and its used as a genuine way to measure a guys fitness and form, because they aren't just going to come in and dominate - they actually run into some pretty good footballers. This hasn't always been the case.

Just my 2 cents anyway. It doesn't appear that there is any genuine cynical stacking going on.

It's just unfortunate for the teams like Sandgate, Woodsmen and Yeronga who may lose games they otherwise may have won because they were the sides who ran into teams nursing senior blokes back into footy on that given week. Swings and roundabouts though.

I recall Thommo 42 posting a few weeks ago that they nearly got done by Ipswich because they rested players to rotate their team to avoid a huge boring blowout, and it nearly blew up in their face with a loss. Perhaps there should be a mechanism to check if an opposition is stacking to avoid stuff like that?

 

[RAZ66]

Probably a good reason to keep even numbers in higher div competitions to remove the temptation of a bye allowing a higher div player to drop to a lower one. Oh for the perfect world lol

 

[QAFL_Fan]

In some cases, the senior team didn't even have a bye. They were just bringing guys back through the lower level.

Considering the top 5 or 6 sides in this comp would beat pretty much every Ressies side from QAFA A and quite a few QFA Ressies sides, its often a better method of bringing guys back through this league!

 

[Pea Nut]

In some cases, the senior team didn't even have a bye. They were just bringing guys back through the lower level.

Considering the top 5 or 6 sides in this comp would beat pretty much every Ressies side from QAFA A and quite a few QFA Ressies sides, its often a better method of bringing guys back through this league!

Kedron, Zillmere and co would beat QAFL reserves sides !!

 

[QAFL_Fan]

I doubt it.

Western Magpies reserves are bottom of the ladder in the QAFL. There isn't a single QAFA B Central team I've seen that could beat them.

 

[RAZ66]

As stated. Coming in for a game to get match fitness probably isn't an issue at all. Maybe as long as it not suddenly 5 or more players in one week.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Not a lot of yeronga players and considering the thumpings we are getting at the moment and starting the game with 20 fit players on Friday night. Maybe we need to consider changing our game plan.

once a stacker, always a stacker

 

[fairbump_playon]

Will no doubt see some sort of re-structure with teams wanting to go up a division. I think the competition is better having more teams in it, rather than having it split up again. League's which have teams playing each other every few weeks is ridiculous, and it's beyond me why anyone would want it set up that way. This friday night league has the potential to continue to grow and attract and keep some very good players running around playing footy.

yep, generally speaking it's good to have more teams than less. though it does feel like there are two distinct tiers in this comp at the moment. we (yeronga) are a game clear in 8th.. ie at the top of the bottom half of the comp. but the last 3 weeks we have been beaten by 72, 90 and 101 points, and we're looking down the barrel again this weekend against jimboomba.

any thoughts of splitting this comp need would need to factor in the likely growth next year. the comp has built steadily over the last few years and there is every chance a couple more teams would be added next year. if that happens, 2 x 8 teams is probably more manageable than 16. it's good to play teams twice - home and away.