D1 2016 discussion

[lettheboysplay]

Minus an absolute aberration next weekend, Ormond and Kew will play each other in the qualifying finals in both 1s and 2s.

Just as exciting is the prospect of Old Geelong taking on St Mary's in the Elimination Final.

Hoping for a spirited month of hard, clean footy... PLAYED AT A QUALITY VENUE PLZZZZ.

 

[AM]

Where's all the posts gone? Some robust opinion disappeared....
What's the problem?

Think our Mod is away at the moment Les. Hasn't logged on since August the 3rd. So we've apparently inherited an interventionist as replacement. Had a post of mine - unrelated to this topic - removed for no good reason at the request of a former poster - read bully-boy. No explanation. Just vanished! Reckon we deserve an explanation when a post is removed.

 

[Canada]

Love the Bully Boy call AM.
You can't dish up as a club what happened yesterday at Vic Park, and then take offence to posts here. There was only one coward, and it ain't anybody discussing him here. The more I hear about this incident, the more I cringe. It's so un tough to throw cheapies.

 

[AM]

Not sure what to make of your post Canada.

I was replying to the comment by Les that some posts had been removed and that I'd had one removed unrelated to this topic at the behest of a former poster who I considered a bully-boy and that those who have posts removed should be told why. Again, my comment was related to the general question of posts being removed without those who posted being told why. It was not a response to the fracas at Kew about which all I know is what's in the HeraldScum

 

[gatorboy]

Seeing the incident/s first hand I think it's outrageous that you are even speculating there could be blame pointed anywhere but number 33's stray fists and elbows. Just disgusting behaviour.

I did see one BT player go up to the injured player after the game and shake his hand, in what I can only suggest was an apology for his teammates disgraceful acts. This was the only good look for their club all day.

Trial by bigfooty was always going to be fair. Let the tribunal

Love the Bully Boy call AM.
You can't dish up as a club what happened yesterday at Vic Park, and then take offence to posts here. There was only one coward, and it ain't anybody discussing him here. The more I hear about this incident, the more I cringe. It's so un tough to throw cheapies.

There's plenty of toughness coming from behind your keyboard tough guy. Give it a rest. The tribunal will sort this out not bigfooty

 

[Emmz29]

Let the tribunal deal with it and move on. Why are the cops involved in a footy game FFS?

Because a "king hit" aka "coward hit" is a criminal offence...

 

[bombers21]

Not sure it was a King Hit. Of course Kew would say that.

 

[Ammo Way 2]

Not a surprise this has occurred been saying for two years the umpiring standard or directive to ball up the ball all time and refusal to protect the player going for the ball - so many free kicks missed feedback last week talking to umpires after game say they do not want to give too many free kicks! Well they got what has been threatening to happen for two years due to their poor control of games

You make a very good point Ron Rooney. Sadly, this day was always going to come and many umpires I have spoken to have echoed the same sentiments. Thankfully, no one was killed. The standard of umpiring in the VAFA has hit absolute rock bottom. The C/D1 panel is supposed to be made up of kids on the "Development List" as it was known. This had a mix of kids and older, more experienced umpires running around with them. This was when Brian Goodman was Umpires boss only. He obtained great numbers and depth. It worked well...then. Today, they are all kids, with little experience and a complete inability to nip any grief in the bud before it happens as you very rarely don't get tell tail signs that something is in the wind/about to happen (you see the niggles). Not surprisingly, Goodman's role has expanded dramatically as he is also General Manager of Football, a full time job in its own right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to join the dots. I feel for the two young umpires as too much may have been asked of them and the composure required. The quality of footy in the Ammo's has gone through the roof in the last couple of years, umpiring as a skill, requiring a base level of fitness, game control and understanding of the rules has hit such a low level by comparison. PS - I wouldn't imagine any umpire would ever be told "not to pay too many free kicks" as this is at the very essence of game control isn't it?

 

[Saint4Life]

Different note.
Can we never play at Turner Road Reserve again?

The mud in the middle is so uneven and so hard, it felt like sharp pointed concrete, like a volcano surface.

It would of been far better if it was soaked with water and was soften up, but all that was done was to try and use a shovel for a few minutes, which did 100% nothing.

 

[bedford]

You make a very good point Ron Rooney. Sadly, this day was always going to come and many umpires I have spoken to have echoed the same sentiments. Thankfully, no one was killed. The standard of umpiring in the VAFA has hit absolute rock bottom. The C/D1 panel is supposed to be made up of kids on the "Development List" as it was known. This had a mix of kids and older, more experienced umpires running around with them. This was when Brian Goodman was Umpires boss only. He obtained great numbers and depth. It worked well...then. Today, they are all kids, with little experience and a complete inability to nip any grief in the bud before it happens as you very rarely don't get tell tail signs that something is in the wind/about to happen (you see the niggles). Not surprisingly, Goodman's role has expanded dramatically as he is also General Manager of Football, a full time job in its own right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to join the dots. I feel for the two young umpires as too much may have been asked of them and the composure required. The quality of footy in the Ammo's has gone through the roof in the last couple of years, umpiring as a skill, requiring a base level of fitness, game control and understanding of the rules has hit such a low level by comparison. PS - I wouldn't imagine any umpire would ever be told "not to pay too many free kicks" as this is at the very essence of game control isn't it?

Both umpires for the Kew-Ormond game last week were under 19, they were off the A panel, but they were outstanding. The 2 for the Yarra-Ormond game were old and overweigh and terrible, so I don't know where your coming from.

 

[bedford]

Not sure what to make of your post Canada.

I was replying to the comment by Les that some posts had been removed and that I'd had one removed unrelated to this topic at the behest of a former poster who I considered a bully-boy and that those who have posts removed should be told why. Again, my comment was related to the general question of posts being removed without those who posted being told why. It was not a response to the fracas at Kew about which all I know is what's in the HeraldScum

And more have gone overnight

 

[Ammo Way 2]

Both umpires for the Kew-Ormond game last week were under 19, they were off the A panel, but they were outstanding. The 2 for the Yarra-Ormond game were old and overweigh and terrible, so I don't know where your coming from.

Would imagine it was a one off, two A/B panel umpires in D1. They might have had a bye. In the old days, the rotation policy saw the A/B boys and girls spend at least 3 rounds a year in the lower grades. It has been scraped for a while I think. Regardless, this umpiring crisis wont be fixed overnight but the brass have to acknowledge there is a problem first.

 

[Moody Blue]

Would imagine it was a one off, two A/B panel umpires in D1. They might have had a bye. In the old days, the rotation policy saw the A/B boys and girls spend at least 3 rounds a year in the lower grades. It has been scraped for a while I think. Regardless, this umpiring crisis wont be fixed overnight but the brass have to acknowledge there is a problem first.

Perhaps if supporters, players and officials stopped treating umpires like vermin, they may get some to stay in the game. An umpire can only cop so much abuse before they say enough is enough and walk away. I have always been a great believer that anyone who gets reported and suspended must spend those weeks umpiring at junior level, then they can see first hand how hard it is, especially when you are dealing with the lunatic parents at Under 10 or 11.

The Cowards that snipe and hit from behind should be suspended for 12 weeks at a time and then show cause why they should be allowed to play. No if's or buts. You all know who they are, the umpires probably know so just get rid of them. Police from within and clean up the game. The bulltish that we don't dob is a throwback to another era where cowards were able to get away with disgusting offences and try and laugh it off as one of those things. You go out to play footy and be with your mates, not get beaten up because some lunatic has anger management issues or is on drugs. I wonder how many players actually play with drugs in their system like Ice or whatever the hell they sniff, inject or shove up their backside?

 

[VAFA Spectator]

You make a very good point Ron Rooney. Sadly, this day was always going to come and many umpires I have spoken to have echoed the same sentiments. Thankfully, no one was killed. The standard of umpiring in the VAFA has hit absolute rock bottom. The C/D1 panel is supposed to be made up of kids on the "Development List" as it was known. This had a mix of kids and older, more experienced umpires running around with them. This was when Brian Goodman was Umpires boss only. He obtained great numbers and depth. It worked well...then. Today, they are all kids, with little experience and a complete inability to nip any grief in the bud before it happens as you very rarely don't get tell tail signs that something is in the wind/about to happen (you see the niggles). Not surprisingly, Goodman's role has expanded dramatically as he is also General Manager of Football, a full time job in its own right. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to join the dots. I feel for the two young umpires as too much may have been asked of them and the composure required. The quality of footy in the Ammo's has gone through the roof in the last couple of years, umpiring as a skill, requiring a base level of fitness, game control and understanding of the rules has hit such a low level by comparison. PS - I wouldn't imagine any umpire would ever be told "not to pay too many free kicks" as this is at the very essence of game control isn't it?

I can't believe that people are blaming the umpires for this incident. The umpires are not responsible for some tool going around sniping other players. Maybe he should have been called to task earlier, but the 2 umpires on Saturday were not the ones throwing elbows. If a guy chooses to hit another player, the umpire can't stop it from happening. A guy doesn't snipe players because he missed out on a free kick.

 

[VAFA Spectator]

Because a "king hit" aka "coward hit" is a criminal offence...

Assault is assault whether it happens on the street or in the park. "What happens on the field stays on the field" is just a 1970's excuse to get away with thuggery. I thought we were all past that now.

 

[VAFA Spectator]

Correct! Only during the game!​

Oh Dear

Club Culture?

The Eye

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I am aware of the alcohol policy of the VAFA, but how is this relevant to the unjustifiable violence of a player on the field? Are you suggesting he went to the bar at half time so that's the fault of the Kew Football Club?

 

[Burnside12]

I am aware of the alcohol policy of the VAFA, but how is this relevant to the unjustifiable violence of a player on the field? Are you suggesting he went to the bar at half time so that's the fault of the Kew Football Club?

I think he is referring to the actions that followed from the Kew supporters. To spit on players is disgusting!

 

[AmmoFootball]

Different note.
Can we never play at Turner Road Reserve again?

The mud in the middle is so uneven and so hard, it felt like sharp pointed concrete, like a volcano surface.

It would of been far better if it was soaked with water and was soften up, but all that was done was to try and use a shovel for a few minutes, which did 100% nothing.

I think you'll find you won't have to....

Old Mentone may be returning to their traditional home out at the playing fields in 2016. Thats what I suspect anyway speaking to one of their committee after a game a couple of weeks ago. The ground share isn't working for them.

 

[Ammo Way 2]

I can't believe that people are blaming the umpires for this incident. The umpires are not responsible for some tool going around sniping other players. Maybe he should have been called to task earlier, but the 2 umpires on Saturday were not the ones throwing elbows. If a guy chooses to hit another player, the umpire can't stop it from happening. A guy doesn't snipe players because he missed out on a free kick.

I don't think for a minute anyone would blame the umpires and I sure as hell hope the player responsible will be thrown the book by the Tribunal. They would have done what they could but its sounds like it all got out of control. My point was that if a senior umpire was at least in attendance on the day - would we have got the same outcome? Would the Bull Temp player have been on the field after the first incident? I would suggest from a match control viewpoint, a more experienced umpire would have sent him off, called the runner out, read the riot act, then proceeded to get in nice and tight around stoppages to assert more authority over the game to re establish control. In the end, we'll never know as I, like many weren't there to witness it first hand. Callout to all past players who have hung up the boots but have a love for the game - as you will make the best umpires for you have the experience, know when a bloke could have pulled out of a bump / and when he was committed, know when a bloke is staging and when he isn't etc, etc. Utilising secondary schools as a breeding ground alone is fraught with danger.

 

[gatorboy]

I don't think for a minute anyone would blame the umpires and I sure as hell hope the player responsible will be thrown the book by the Tribunal. They would have done what they could but its sounds like it all got out of control. My point was that if a senior umpire was at least in attendance on the day - would we have got the same outcome? Would the Bull Temp player have been on the field after the first incident? I would suggest from a match control viewpoint, a more experienced umpire would have sent him off, called the runner out, read the riot act, then proceeded to get in nice and tight around stoppages to assert more authority over the game to re establish control. In the end, we'll never know as I, like many weren't there to witness it first hand. Callout to all past players who have hung up the boots but have a love for the game - as you will make the best umpires for you have the experience, know when a bloke could have pulled out of a bump / and when he was committed, know when a bloke is staging and when he isn't etc, etc. Utilising secondary schools as a breeding ground alone is fraught with danger.

You weren't there to witness it. Enough said. No need to add your speculation and useless drivel

 

[thed1analyst]

I think he is referring to the actions that followed from the Kew supporters. To spit on players is disgusting!

This has gone under the radar. For Kew supporters to SPIT on Bulleen players shows a distinct lack of class and is a disgusting low act. Hope the VAFA follows this one up with their love-childs.

 

[VAFA Spectator]

This has gone under the radar. For Kew supporters to SPIT on Bulleen players shows a distinct lack of class and is a disgusting low act. Hope the VAFA follows this one up with their love-childs.

I don't condone it at all, but it never sent anyone to hospital!

 

[perspective]

Spectator you any most on here except Bedford ( BECAUSE HE SAW THIS TYPE OF PLAYER DISPLAY HIS "FEATS" A FEW WEEKS AGO)have had an almighty crack at the SFL for incidents similar to those that happened and occurred in the VAFA Saturday, time to take a couple of steps down from that self imposed pedestal you like to think you live on. Alcohol is served at lots of VAFA grounds after the start of the senior games and unsavoury incidents occur in all leagues and this time it is in yours. Cop it!!

 

[Burnside12]

I don't condone it at all, but it never sent anyone to hospital!

Didn't your mother ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right.
I would suspect that there would be a lot that Kew is not proud of from the weekend.

 

[VAFA Spectator]

Spectator you any most on here except Bedford ( BECAUSE HE SAW THIS TYPE OF PLAYER DISPLAY HIS "FEATS" A FEW WEEKS AGO)have had an almighty crack at the SFL for incidents similar to those that happened and occurred in the VAFA Saturday, time to take a couple of steps down from that self imposed pedestal you like to think you live on. Alcohol is served at lots of VAFA grounds after the start of the senior games and unsavoury incidents occur in all leagues and this time it is in yours. Cop it!!

Find the post and quote it, where I have had a crack at the SFL for any incident???