2016 Trade Hypotheticals (Opposition supporters post here)

[Roylion]

agree. I tried to come up with something the pies might be able to achieve..at the risk of being killed here goes..

14 (hawks to suns for jom), J Smith (best 1st year player), plus a second rd pick

we get 14 in a deal for witts and 27.

I don't know that a late first round pick, an out of contract player taken in last years rookie draft (even if he is from Queensland and 21), plus a second round draft pick classifies exactly as "elite talent". You'd have more chance getting that for Hanley.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I don't know that a late first round pick, an out of contract player taken in last years rookie draft (even if he is from Queensland and 21), plus a second round draft pick classifies exactly as "elite talent". You'd have more chance getting that for Hanley.

reality is the deal only happens if Rockliff wants it to. in that case I doubt you'd get a pick below 10. his new club would also be taking over a decent amount of coin. is smith ooc?

wouldn't be offering that for hanley.

 

[SizeMatters]

reality is the deal only happens if Rockliff wants it to. in that case I doubt you'd get a pick below 10. his new club would also be taking over a decent amount of coin. is smith ooc?

wouldn't be offering that for hanley.

Deal will only happen if we want it to. Rocky is contracted.

 

[Roylion]

reality is the deal only happens if Rockliff wants it to.

And the club. Chris Fagan on Rockliff and Hanley today: "They're the sorts of people we need on-board."

Both are contracted.

in that case I doubt you'd get a pick below 10.

Then why trade if we can't get good young talent in return?

Chris Fagan today: "We're not looking for older experienced blokes necessarily, just good young players who can develop." Schwab and Noble have identified "elite talent"

Noble yesterday. "If players can help us in the next three years then they'll be required. It's all about talent."

wouldn't be offering that for hanley.

Then Hanley won't be at Collingwood. Any Hanley trade with the GC is unlikely to go through until the O'Meara and Prestia deals with Richmond and Hawthorn are reached. The Lions will want to see the state of play with GC picks before they finalise any agreed deal.

 

[lionshine]

Chris Fagan today: "We're not looking for older experienced blokes necessarily, just good young players who can develop." Schwab and Noble have identified "elite talent"

When you say they've identified elite talent, were they referring to the draft? Or were they referring to players from other clubs that they are looking to target?

 

[TW Sherrin]

Deal will only happen if we want it to. Rocky is contracted.

if he says "I want out" do you think they will say no or look to get the best deal they can?

I think the day is getting closer to a club saying bad luck you're contracted but doubt we're there yet.

And the club. Chris Fagan on Rockliff and Hanley today: "They're the sorts of people we need on-board."

Both are contracted.



Then why trade if we can't get good young talent in return?

Chris Fagan today: "We're not looking for older experienced blokes necessarily, just good young players who can develop." Schwab and Noble have identified "elite talent"

Noble yesterday. "If players can help us in the next three years then they'll be required. It's all about talent."



Then Hanley won't be at Collingwood. Any Hanley trade with the GC is unlikely to go through until the O'Meara and Prestia deals with Richmond and Hawthorn are reached. The Lions will want to see the state of play with GC picks before they finalise any agreed deal.

No one said pies wanted hanley so it's irrelevant.

Till next year ......

 

[M Malice]

When you say they've identified elite talent, were they referring to the draft? Or were they referring to players from other clubs that they are looking to target?

i heard the interview and i took it as both although they had to be in the right age bracket to be in our next premiership side. eg. Jack Frost is 24 years old. so i wouldn't be expecting players like Lynden Dunn, Alex Silvagni to be coming.

 

[Roylion]

When you say they've identified elite talent, were they referring to the draft? Or were they referring to players from other clubs that they are looking to target?

Could be both. But the use of the word "young" and the statement from Noble David Noble: "We want to maximise this year's Draft." suggests the Lions are primarily after early picks in this draft. Top Ten preferably. Schwab has also mentioned Gold Coast's Pick 8.

 

[marooned]

i heard the interview and i took it as both although they had to be in the right age bracket to be in our next premiership side. eg. Jack Frost is 24 years old. so i wouldn't be expecting players like Lynden Dunn, Alex Silvagni to be coming.

That's how I took it as well.

 

[Roylion]

if he says "I want out" do you think they will say no or look to get the best deal they can?

Rockliff hasn't said he wants out. In fact he's said the opposite. But even if Rockliff did, Beams said he wanted out two years and even nominated Brisbane. Collingwood got 5, 25, and Crisp. That's because, like Rockliff, Beams was contracted. 12 months later it would have been a very different deal and by that I mean far less for Collingwood.

I think the day is getting closer to a club saying bad luck you're contracted but doubt we're there yet.

Rockliff has said he's happy to stay at the Lions. If the Lions don't get what they want, he'll be staying.

No one said pies wanted hanley so it's irrelevant.

You said..."wouldn't be offering that for hanley." I merely commented on that statement.

 

[Roylion]

i heard the interview and i took it as both although they had to be in the right age bracket to be in our next premiership side. eg. Jack Frost is 24 years old. so i wouldn't be expecting players like Lynden Dunn, Alex Silvagni to be coming.

Yep. And that obviously includes elite talent in this year's draft.

 

[braddsey]

if he says "I want out" do you think they will say no or look to get the best deal they can?

I think the day is getting closer to a club saying bad luck you're contracted but doubt we're there yet.

That already happens. That's why Cam McCarthy only got traded to Freo today, rather than in 2015.
The problem for clubs hasn't been holding onto contracted players who want out, it's more about the un-contracted players who nominate a specific club. That's where the original club get's screwed, because no one is willing to push a player to the PSD and get nothing in return.

 

[WA Lion]

It will be interesting to know just how serious GWS are about getting pick 2 from us as per article on AFL website.

I would want a 2nd pick in the top 6. If they can get pick 5 from the Blues I would be happy with pick 2 and 19 for pick 3 and 5. We would still get one of McCluggage, McGrath or Ainsworth, but then also snare perhaps SPS or Brodie at pick 5.

Edit - looking at it from a points perspective, they may want another pick (say 30) for points for their academy kids. Happy with that as we will still have 21.

 

[M Malice]

all the talk in various threads on the prospect of the giants trading picks 3 and 5 (Carlton) for our pick 2.

would be a great deal for us but i'm confused, why wouldn't the giants just offer picks 3 and 5 to the bombers for pick 1 instead of us for pick 2. then they are certain to get their man (probably McGrath).

 

[jjami15]

It will be interesting to know just how serious GWS are about getting pick 2 from us as per article on AFL website.

I would want a 2nd pick in the top 6. If they can get pick 5 from the Blues I would be happy with pick 2 and 19 for pick 3 and 5. We would still get one of McCluggage, McGrath or Ainsworth, but then also snare perhaps SPS or Brodie at pick 5.

Edit - looking at it from a points perspective, they may want another pick (say 30) for points for their academy kids. Happy with that as we will still have 21.

What if we went 2,19,21 and 29 (or is it 30 now) for 3,5,15,16

 

[Flea_29]

all the talk in various threads on the prospect of the giants trading picks 3 and 5 (Carlton) for our pick 2.

would be a great deal for us but i'm confused, why wouldn't the giants just offer picks 3 and 5 to the bombers for pick 1 instead of us for pick 2. then they are certain to get their man (probably McGrath).

Because it's the Bombers and Dodoro we're talking about - They/He would be asking for picks 3, 5, 15, 16 and Patton for pick 1 or No deal.

 

[Devz15]

I think being offered picks 3 & 5 for 2 is a bit of a stretch. If we're offered pick 3 & 15 for 2 I will be rapt. I get the feeling our eyes are locked onto Ainsworth, and he should be available at pick 3. Essentially we still get our man whilst ataining pick 15. Good business.

 

[Dom PC]

Top 2 players this year are a level above. McGrath's leadership and pace is a real highlight and something we are desperate for.

Feels odd me saying this, but i would be reluctant in accepting 3 and 5 for 2.

 

[Devz15]

Top 2 players this year are a level above. McGrath's leadership and pace is a real highlight and something we are desperate for.

Feels odd me saying this, but i would be reluctant in accepting 3 and 5 for 2.

If we are offered picks 3 & 5 for 2 we must take it, I don't think there's any other option. I can't see it happening though.

 

[Dom PC]

If we are offered picks 3 & 5 for 2 we must take it, I don't think there's any other option. I can't see it happening though.

I think we should focus on picking the right players. Having multiple top picks isn't necessarily a better bet than having one really good pick.

The last time we had two top picks in the one draft (2011) we got Longer (pick 8) and Docherty (pick 12) - both are gone. I know things are different now, but i just think it is unwise to turn away from a potential superstar with fantisic leadership qualities for two players that are more speculative. GWS is is not stupid. They wouldn't be giving 3 and 5 for 2 because they are feeling generous.

I do agree that, picks 3 and 5 might just be too good to refuse. But I will say when something is too good to be true, it probably isn't.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I think we should focus on picking the right players. Having multiple top picks isn't necessarily a better bet than having one really good pick.

The last time we had two top picks in the one draft (2011) we got Longer (pick 8) and Docherty (pick 12) - both are gone. I know things are different now, but i just think it is unwise to turn away from a potential superstar with fantisic leadership qualities for two players that are more speculative. GWS is is not stupid. They wouldn't be giving 3 and 5 for 2 because they are feeling generous.

I do agree that, picks 3 and 5 might just be too good to refuse. But I will say when something is too good to be true, it probably isn't.

In essence, if what you are saying is there's nothing wrong with the two high picks for one strategy provided you get the two picks right, I agree.

 

[Devz15]

I think we should focus on picking the right players. Having multiple top picks isn't necessarily a better bet than having one really good pick.

The last time we had two top picks in the one draft (2011) we got Longer (pick 8) and Docherty (pick 12) - both are gone. I know things are different now, but i just think it is unwise to turn away from a potential superstar with fantisic leadership qualities for two players that are more speculative. GWS is is not stupid. They wouldn't be giving 3 and 5 for 2 because they are feeling generous.

I do agree that, picks 3 and 5 might just be too good to refuse. But I will say when something is too good to be true, it probably isn't.

I agree in some points, you do need to be cautious when shuffling picks. If it does happen we're only going from 2 to 3, if it was 2 to 5 or 7 I would agree with you.

As I said though, I believe with what Fagan has said in his interviews and what the team needs that we're up to our ears in Ainsworth. What makes me happy is that we're on the front foot and prepared to make some bold calls.

 

[SizeMatters]

Even if 2 for 3+5 is unlikely to happen I just don't understand how people can be against it. We will still get either Ainsworth or McGrath both of which we rate highly plus we get pick 5 to threaten the Suns with.

 

[BRAB]

Even 2 for 3+15 sounds reasonable enough.

2 for 3+5 would be an absolute steal. AFL might even have grounds to block that.

 

[M Malice]

Even if 2 for 3+5 is unlikely to happen I just don't understand how people can be against it. We will still get either Ainsworth or McGrath both of which we rate highly plus we get pick 5 to threaten the Suns with.

yep, 3 and 5 would be too good an offer to knock back IMO even though i would love McGrath in lions colors.

who went at 2, 3 and 5 the last 7 drafts and who would be considered the best player of that draft year so far. even at the top it is pretty much a lottery.

2009- Trengove (2), Martin (3), Cunnington (5). best? Nathan Fyfe pick 20.
2010- Bennell (2), Day (3), Polec (5). *Gaff went at 4. best? Tom Lynch (suns) pick 11.
2011- Coniglio (2), Tyson (3), Buntine (5). best? Stephen Coniglio pick 2.
2012- O'Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Stringer (5). best? Oliver Wines pick 7.
2013- Kelly (2), Billings (3), Kolodjashinj (5). *Bontempelli went at 4 and best.
2014- Petracca (2), Brayshaw (3), De Goey (5). best Isaac Heeney went at 18 although a flawed rating as the suns only had to use their first selection.
2015- Schache (2), Mills (3), Parish (5). best? very early to tell but probably Callum Mills at 3.