Training 2017/2018 Pre-season Thread

[FishBowlsRHeapsGood]

Crows don't tend to video the intraclub games as they are stop-start,
They have allowed free access to trial games outside the AFL programming ie Crows 2nd vs GWS 2nds last year.
Also, they have in the past video some of the SANFL trial games. Crows vs Port trail come to mind, But they need permission to allow public access to these videos from the SANFL which is not always a given.

Thanks for that. Was just interested as the bombers coverage this morning was really good and being footy starved I'd love to see it but I guess all clubs prepare a bit differently

 

[mattymac]

The bad stats: Where your club struggled in 2017

KEY STAT RESULT LEAGUE RANK
Centre clearance differential -1.1 #16
Kicking efficiency 64.5% #16
Forward 50 groundball gets differential -4.3 #17
SUMMARY
The arrival of star recruit Bryce Gibbs should help the Crows in winning centre clearances. It was an area of their game that they struggled at last year, ranking 16th in the League for centre clearance differential (-1.1). That is, they averaged 1.1 less centre clearances than their opposition per game. The Crows' kicking efficiency was also low (16th, 64.5 per cent), but this could come down to game style. Instead of chipping the ball around and maintaining possession, the Crows moved the ball quickly and took risks through the corridor. The Crows' small forwards need to do a better job of winning the ball on the deck, ranking 17th in forward 50 groundball-gets differential, at -4.3 per game.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-10/the-bad-stats-where-your-club-struggled-in-2017

Surprised by all of those rankings tbh

 

[Bicks]

Looking good Smitty..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Looking good Smitty..

I assume one of the Crows fitness group is accompanying Smith and set the itinerary ?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Surprised by all of those rankings tbh

Just think what we can do when we start winning more centre square clearances & giving out forward line 1st use. How much do we need to work on with taps to advantage?

Would have through with Sauce delivering having the Crouches, Sloane, Gibbs, Greenwood, Douglas, etc as options we should be able to turn this into a positive statIstic.

 

[Squiba]

The bad stats: Where your club struggled in 2017

KEY STAT RESULT LEAGUE RANK
Centre clearance differential -1.1 #16
Kicking efficiency 64.5% #16
Forward 50 groundball gets differential -4.3 #17
SUMMARY
The arrival of star recruit Bryce Gibbs should help the Crows in winning centre clearances. It was an area of their game that they struggled at last year, ranking 16th in the League for centre clearance differential (-1.1). That is, they averaged 1.1 less centre clearances than their opposition per game. The Crows' kicking efficiency was also low (16th, 64.5 per cent), but this could come down to game style. Instead of chipping the ball around and maintaining possession, the Crows moved the ball quickly and took risks through the corridor. The Crows' small forwards need to do a better job of winning the ball on the deck, ranking 17th in forward 50 groundball-gets differential, at -4.3 per game.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-10/the-bad-stats-where-your-club-struggled-in-2017

The f50 ground ball stat is symptomatic of our structure, and needs to be addressed. Running with Betts and Cameron as the only smalls, accompanied by Gov/Otten, Walker, Lynch and JJ screws us on the ground. Gov is well balanced, but the others are slow or useless when it comes to competing for a loose ball in cramped conditions.

Gallucci in for Cameron and more forward 50 work from Greenwood, Sloane and Douglas may hopefully get this right. Eddie can't fly for a mark and be expected to crumb the spillage all in one, we need a more agile fwd line.

 

[beartoo]

The f50 ground ball stat is symptomatic of our structure, and needs to be addressed. Running with Betts and Cameron as the only smalls, accompanied by Gov/Otten, Walker, Lynch and JJ screws us on the ground. Gov is well balanced, but the others are slow or useless when it comes to competing for a loose ball in cramped conditions.

Gallucci in for Cameron and more forward 50 work from Greenwood, Sloane and Douglas may hopefully get this right. Eddie can't fly for a mark and be expected to crumb the spillage all in one, we need a more agile fwd line.

We need to stop Eddie flying for species at every opportunity. It takes him out of contention for ground ball, which is what he should be winning.

 

[mistylake]

Hoping to see a few young guys run around this afternoon at the parade today. in the fast footy SANFL comp.

 

[Redleg Crow]

We need to stop Eddie flying for species at every opportunity. It takes him out of contention for ground ball, which is what he should be winning.

Hell yes! And also when I see Eddie one-on-one in a marking contest, I think, OK, so, he's going to give a way a free.

 

[Thetrader15]

Hoping to see a few young guys run around this afternoon at the parade today. in the fast footy SANFL comp.

Looking forward to the live reports

 

[Thetrader15]

We need to stop Eddie flying for species at every opportunity. It takes him out of contention for ground ball, which is what he should be winning.

And he very rarely wins them

 

[Thetrader15]

Hell yes! And also when I see Eddie one-on-one in a marking contest, I think, OK, so, he's going to give a way a free.

Set up the zone!

 

[Roovolution]

Surprised by all of those rankings tbh

So losing CC maybe not such a bad thing. The Gooch may slot in nicely and he can kick better than CC too.

 

[Bicks]

I assume one of the Crows fitness group is accompanying Smith and set the itinerary ?

No he's accompanied by his partner only AFAIK, he's over there working with the American knee guru that also put Tex through his paces when he did his knee. Apparently the guy has helped plenty of AFL players with their knee rehab.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Former gun list manager Chris Pelchen's take on the strength of the respective AFL club's lists...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/magpies-may-be-surprise-packets-in-2018-20180208-h0vr9k.html


7. ADELAIDE

Losing Jake Lever hurts short term but securing Bryce Gibbs will be pivotal in changing their midfield set-up. While securing Gibbs when the opportunity arose 12 months ago would have been preferable, his addition will add more than a player of just obvious talent. He adds leadership, a mature body and elite kicking skills to a midfield already transitioning to its next generation with the Crouch brothers emerging. Their recruitment of Darcy Fogarty in the draft was an outstanding selection and he should debut this year.

Summary: Their list is of similar talent to their 2017 list so expect them to be a competitor again. Adelaide's immediate challenge is that several clubs around them on the ladder have further improved their lists.

Ranking ladder positions purely based on the strength of a list is fundamentally flawed

You only have to look as far as last years premiers

 

[mistylake]

Looking forward to the live reports

They will all formally be known as “that guy” considering not one listed player out there. All development players. Not even wearing a Crows jumper as far as I can tell.

 

[Squiba]

We need to stop Eddie flying for species at every opportunity. It takes him out of contention for ground ball, which is what he should be winning.

Thing is, how much can we restrict his natural game? Half the time, Walker, Jenkins and Lynch aren't going to fly for it, so Eddie almost sees it as 'his ball'.

If we can get him to stay down when teammates are around, sure, but I would rather him go for it when he has to, rather than let an opponent mark it uncontested.

Really it is the fault of weak as piss, 6ft 9 crumbers like JJ.

 

[Bicks]

Ranking ladder positions purely based on the strength of a list is fundamentally flawed

You only have to look as far as last years premiers

Nowhere was Pelchen ranking ladder positions it was his opinion of the respective list strengths.

Did you miss this bit, it's even bolded in the article.

CHRIS PELCHEN'S 2018 AFL LIST RANKINGS
(List rankings don't necessarily correlate to predicted ladder finishes)

 

[40porpoise]

We need to stop Eddie flying for species at every opportunity. It takes him out of contention for ground ball, which is what he should be winning.

Eddie can do whatever he wants

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Nowhere was Pelchen ranking ladder positions it was his opinion of the respective list strengths.

Did you miss this bit, it's even bolded in the article.

CHRIS PELCHEN'S 2018 AFL LIST RANKINGS
(List rankings don't necessarily correlate to predicted ladder finishes)

I did miss that, thank you for the correction

 

[beartoo]

Thing is, how much can we restrict his natural game? Half the time, Walker, Jenkins and Lynch aren't going to fly for it, so Eddie almost sees it as 'his ball'.

If we can get him to stay down when teammates are around, sure, but I would rather him go for it when he has to, rather than let an opponent mark it uncontested.

Really it is the fault of weak as piss, 6ft 9 crumbers like JJ.

Nah, Eddie often flies when he has no need to. Walker, JJ, TL, McG, all go for marks. McG is the only decent pack mark among them, but the others almost always cause the ball to come to ground. What % of attempts at pack marks do you reckon are taken? I'd put it as low as 5% from observation and with no stats to back that up. Eddie and our smalls should always be at the feet of the talls.

 

[MRB37]

Just think what we can do when we start winning more centre square clearances & giving out forward line 1st use. How much do we need to work on with taps to advantage?

Would have through with Sauce delivering having the Crouches, Sloane, Gibbs, Greenwood, Douglas, etc as options we should be able to turn this into a positive statIstic.

Sauce is good at stoppage clearances, but not at centre bounces. No surprise there with the rise of more athletic ruckman. And we'd have a lower kick rating because we play high risk football. You could have the highest kick rating in the world, but it means little if all you're doing is chipping it around without actually doing anything.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sauce is good at stoppage clearances, but not at centre bounces. No surprise there with the rise of more athletic ruckman. And we'd have a lower kick rating because we play high risk football. You could have the highest kick rating in the world, but it means little if all you're doing is chipping it around without actually doing anything.

Agree, I'm not fused about our kick rating, given we play a run & gun style.

However, with our midfield, centre square clearances should be a strength as it can make us more dominant.

 

[Sidthehat]

Just think what we can do when we start winning more centre square clearances & giving out forward line 1st use. How much do we need to work on with taps to advantage?

Would have through with Sauce delivering having the Crouches, Sloane, Gibbs, Greenwood, Douglas, etc as options we should be able to turn this into a positive statIstic.

Remember the CD stats that were quoted a while ago said how statistically poor Douglas was at getting a clearance when he gets his hands on the ball. Gibbs taking a lot of his minutes in there should be a fair difference.

 

[Squiba]

Nah, Eddie often flies when he has no need to. Walker, JJ, TL, McG, all go for marks. McG is the only decent pack mark among them, but the others almost always cause the ball to come to ground. What % of attempts at pack marks do you reckon are taken? I'd put it as low as 5% from observation and with no stats to back that up. Eddie and our smalls should always be at the feet of the talls.

I'm happy for him to be there, as long as they are there. Yes he flies too much, but having the willingness to fly into a pack is a godsend when we are completely out positioned.