Analysis 2017 Adelaide Oval Attendance Watch

[Smithy7]

Does any other sport in the world care about how many people watch the game live as much as we do?

No they don't ...
No one ever mentions that the empty seats are paid for by Members, and the Club has the money for same, if the Members turn up or not ...

 

[Andre]

If we were a dour, ruthlessly clinical team that managed to win most weeks we'd be getting more through the gates. Most people don't go to the football for the KFC Big Bash experience, they go to see their team hopefully dismantle the opposition, and the club has probably failed in this regard.

2014 we dismantled teams with exciting to watch football. Now we have neither. It's hard to blame the casual fan for not wanting to watch a less exciting game that your more likely to lose.

 

[TeeKray]

We're the best defensive team in the league. That says a bit about our MO.

But I still think winning football beats attractive football for the casual fans. We needed to beat West Coast and/or Richmond to give the casual fans some faith that we're anything but a 50-50, hit and miss team. And it doesn't help either that the Crows are flying which makes us look ordinary in a relative sense.

 

[Pappagallo]

Yes, but for how long? I'd rather sell out a 35k stadium most rounds long term than having the odd 50k crowd when things are all going our way. Given that Adelaide's population basically doesn't grow, I don't see our supporter base growing significantly over the next few years. Nevertheless, the comparisons with the crows are not realistic, or useful.

I'd rather have room to grow and the ability to hold big blockbusters/home finals than scale back the capacity for fear of not selling it out every week.

AO is just right for us size wise for most occasions IMO.

 

[GremioPower]

OK. Brazilian soccer, and American top leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS), which I follow, they all do.

 

[LFC2010]

SO saturday arvo is our worst timeslot.

the crowd on the weekend was 30k when our average is 35k for the timeslot, and the conditions weren't the best either.

But you know #tarps derp derp derp.

 

[Contested Marx]

Carlton (big 4 team?
West Coast (primary state team)
Geelong (contenders for flag this year)
Melbourne (oldest club in the league)
Footscray (reigning champions)
Hawthorn (most successful club of the modern era)
Fremantle (according to some, our WA equivalent)
St Kilda (hmmmm)
Sydney (last year's grand finalists)
North (also hmmmm)
Brisbane
Gold Coast
GWS
(These last three have excuses)

All of these clubs are averaging lower crowds than us

But it's all of a sudden a story about Ports' crowds.

Unsurprising given recent form, lack of GDV, as you do you lose the better timeslots, whatever

Not even a news item really

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

If we were a dour, ruthlessly clinical team that managed to win most weeks we'd be getting more through the gates. Most people don't go to the football for the KFC Big Bash experience, they go to see their team hopefully dismantle the opposition, and the club has probably failed in this regard.

Hinkley' approach now is more conservative. That brave footy shit doesn't exist anymore. Boundary line safe footy . This is why he won't go with Dougal,Eddy,Frampton etc & Monfries to some extent.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Hinkley' approach now is more conservative. That brave footy shit doesn't exist anymore. Boundary line safe footy . This is why he won't go with Dougal,Eddy,Frampton etc & Monfries to some extent.

I used to love his mantra of brave exciting footy.

 

[Canoogs]

I find the general apathy towards the team this year from the fan base very interesting. On a purely performance based level, only 3 sides have won more games than us this year. Win 3 out of last 4 games and it equals our best home and away season since 2007. On a sliding doors perspective, if we'd held on against the Cats, we'd be second.

So why the general malaise amongst our fan base? Is it that the Crows are doing well and this gets us down because regardless of what we say we measure ourselves against them? Is it the disappointment from losing marquee matches against Richmond and Geelong after being in winning positions? Is it because we're sick of being beaten up with the "haven't beaten a top 8 side" insult? The comments about dour football are interesting - only Geelong and Adelaide have outscored us. Are we just burnt out after 2 years of disappointment? Or do we think that even if we make the finals, we'll just be making up the numbers and get dumped in quick fashion?

One reason I think for our low mood is that our club doesn't have an identity this year. We were the team everyone loved a few years ago with our gut running and never give up attitude. This year we seem to be doing similar to other clubs. Some parts better than others, some parts worse, but we're not drastically different than anyone. We've only made the top 4 once since 2004, and we all remember how that turned out (or alternatively have blocked it from memory and don't recall what happened in the year between 2006 and 2008). The lack of excitement just feels really unusual given where we're currently sitting.

 

[Jakksynn]

I think this year we're seeing what our true crowds will be like at AO. The gloss has worn off and we're an average team to watch. I'll happily take a tick under 40k average crowds thanks. Club should consolidate and build from here

 

[tribey]

Final round Saturday night game vying for a top-4 spot = minimum 40,000.

We've never had a problem coming out in droves for such a game, AAMI days included.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I find the general apathy towards the team this year from the fan base very interesting. On a purely performance based level, only 3 sides have won more games than us this year. Win 3 out of last 4 games and it equals our best home and away season since 2007. On a sliding doors perspective, if we'd held on against the Cats, we'd be second.

So why the general malaise amongst our fan base? Is it that the Crows are doing well and this gets us down because regardless of what we say we measure ourselves against them? Is it the disappointment from losing marquee matches against Richmond and Geelong after being in winning positions? Is it because we're sick of being beaten up with the "haven't beaten a top 8 side" insult? The comments about dour football are interesting - only Geelong and Adelaide have outscored us. Are we just burnt out after 2 years of disappointment? Or do we think that even if we make the finals, we'll just be making up the numbers and get dumped in quick fashion?

One reason I think for our low mood is that our club doesn't have an identity this year. We were the team everyone loved a few years ago with our gut running and never give up attitude. This year we seem to be doing similar to other clubs. Some parts better than others, some parts worse, but we're not drastically different than anyone. We've only made the top 4 once since 2004, and we all remember how that turned out (or alternatively have blocked it from memory and don't recall what happened in the year between 2006 and 2008). The lack of excitement just feels really unusual given where we're currently sitting.

Why the malaise? These are the reasons I see and hear. Doesn't stop me going but does stop the less rusted on ones.

1. We choke and can't win big games when the opportunity to snatch top 4 is there.
2. We smash bottom sides cant beat top 8 sides
3. Too much bullshit entries into our forward 50 for minimal goals ie 60+ entries have resulted between 8 and 13 goals on 4 occassions at home this year and 2 have been loses.
4. Dont have a killer attitude and don't score enough goals when we are dominating
5. We have lost too many home games since being 10-1 in mid 2014
6. Dont play a proper structured forward line to take advantage of so many inside 50's
7. We have poor kicking skills and that gives the oppo the chance to beat us
8. Guys who regularly can't nail set shots on goals form 30m straight out or slight angle
9. Dopey footballers who make dumb Under 10 errors
10. Ken and the players talk too much uninspiring cliches and words that don't line up with actions on the field
11. I think our fans marked us overly hard for 2016 when we had 2 key players suspended for a year and then we were missing 6 to 9 other top 15 and top 22 players missing most games after Rd 5. We didn't help ourselves by being so flakey in those first 5 rounds last year.
12. People are sick of seeing the side yo-yo and not be boringly consistent and win 5 games in a row and 15-17 for the year.

Our casual fans and even rusted on ones have seen too much failure against the big boys and not walking the talk. Listen to the Bigfooty podcast and summaries of games and how many times do you hear or read i could tell 5 minutes after the game started what the end result would be.

 

[pip_]

Have to stop dropping games there. It used to be an intimidating place for our opposition but now it's not and for many of our less diehard fans it's become somewhat synonymous with disappointment esp. when playing top sides. We need to start taking scalps, starting with this weekend, even if it's our away game.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

I used to love his mantra of brave exciting footy.

Our next coach (Clarkson) will bring it back

 

[1954]

I was surprised that Saturday's crowd was around 30,000, the even sprinkling of empty seats ( as opposed to the large vacant areas we used to see in the pockets during the bad old days at footy park ) made it appear more like 25,000 to me.

 

[Janus]

It's because defensive based football is a ****ing boring but necessary part of winning a flag. Unless you're a side with elite kicking skills (Hawthorn), the last few premierships have all been based around a style that generates attack from defence - Western Bulldogs with Beveridge, Sydney with Longmire, Collingwood with Malthouse. The last attacking based side was Geelong and they had two Brownlow winners in their midfield (Ablett, Bartel) and multiple AAs across their entire squad...and even they shifted to a more defensive based style under Scott.

It's probably boring for the players too, which is why they often lapse because it requires discipline which a lot of them don't seem to have. This is why it's generally the squads with the most experience that win the premiership in a given year.

In short - everyone is just treading water until finals, when the ability to defend is actually seen as a good thing because there is no tomorrow.

 

[Prison bar Pete]

Yeah sat arvos suck. Personally I'm playing footy so can't make them.

I don't get why if all Vic clubs cry about sunday games, the AFL only give us two of them at home, when we clearly prefer them to those shitty saturday arvo slots which the Vic clubs prefer.

Our home fixture was pretty shitty this year, but we didn't help ourselves by only getting 38k to the Thursday night slot against Hawthorn. Really should have been 45k+.

Notwithstanding the result, that Thursday night game was a bloody awful time slot (particularly with a son needing to go to school the next day). I'm surprised 38,000 were able to make it. I hope we never get another Thursday night home game again (unless it's during school holidays, or I can get a flexi the next day!).

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Nah Port fans are prepared to wear grinding boring successful defensive footy. They are getting sick of the team blowing games by not having the basic foot skills to kick enough goals. You get the ball inside forward 50 at least 50 times a game that isn't boring defensive footy. Every game at AO in 2017 we have got the ball inside 50 at least 50 times this year.

 

[Pedro59]

Why the malaise? These are the reasons I see and hear. Doesn't stop me going but does stop the less rusted on ones.

1. We choke and can't win big games when the opportunity to snatch top 4 is there.
2. We smash bottom sides cant beat top 8 sides
3. Too much bullshit entries into our forward 50 for minimal goals ie 60+ entries have resulted between 8 and 13 goals on 4 occassions at home this year and 2 have been loses.
4. Dont have a killer attitude and don't score enough goals when we are dominating
5. We have lost too many home games since being 10-1 in mid 2014
6. Dont play a proper structured forward line to take advantage of so many inside 50's
7. We have poor kicking skills and that gives the oppo the chance to beat us
8. Guys who regularly can't nail set shots on goals form 30m straight out or slight angle
9. Dopey footballers who make dumb Under 10 errors
10. Ken and the players talk too much uninspiring cliches and words that don't line up with actions on the field
11. I think our fans marked us overly hard for 2016 when we had 2 key players suspended for a year and then we were missing 6 to 9 other top 15 and top 22 players missing most games after Rd 5. We didn't help ourselves by being so flakey in those first 5 rounds last year.
12. People are sick of seeing the side yo-yo and not be boringly consistent and win 5 games in a row and 15-17 for the year.

Our casual fans and even rusted on ones have seen too much failure against the big boys and not walking the talk. Listen to the Bigfooty podcast and summaries of games and how many times do you hear or read i could tell 5 minutes after the game started what the end result would be.

Not bad

3 and 6 hurt us

Yes yes we are sitting alright but.

My take is all the makings of a good season are still here and if we win the flag ,retrospectively many will feel they didn't participate/ enjoy it enough
I think if we had a few runs of multiple wins it would be different


When we beat the Crows on Sunday with a surprise F50 inclusion all hell will break loose

 

[power09]

I find the general apathy towards the team this year from the fan base very interesting. On a purely performance based level, only 3 sides have won more games than us this year. Win 3 out of last 4 games and it equals our best home and away season since 2007. On a sliding doors perspective, if we'd held on against the Cats, we'd be second.

So why the general malaise amongst our fan base? Is it that the Crows are doing well and this gets us down because regardless of what we say we measure ourselves against them? Is it the disappointment from losing marquee matches against Richmond and Geelong after being in winning positions? Is it because we're sick of being beaten up with the "haven't beaten a top 8 side" insult? The comments about dour football are interesting - only Geelong and Adelaide have outscored us. Are we just burnt out after 2 years of disappointment? Or do we think that even if we make the finals, we'll just be making up the numbers and get dumped in quick fashion?

One reason I think for our low mood is that our club doesn't have an identity this year. We were the team everyone loved a few years ago with our gut running and never give up attitude. This year we seem to be doing similar to other clubs. Some parts better than others, some parts worse, but we're not drastically different than anyone. We've only made the top 4 once since 2004, and we all remember how that turned out (or alternatively have blocked it from memory and don't recall what happened in the year between 2006 and 2008). The lack of excitement just feels really unusual given where we're currently sitting.

I think it is mostly because the kicking skills are so bad, that frustrates the crap out of people, sometimes when i watch Port I struggle to believe they are a top 4 contender.

 

[FPPF]

I find the general apathy towards the team this year from the fan base very interesting. On a purely performance based level, only 3 sides have won more games than us this year. Win 3 out of last 4 games and it equals our best home and away season since 2007. On a sliding doors perspective, if we'd held on against the Cats, we'd be second.

So why the general malaise amongst our fan base? Is it that the Crows are doing well and this gets us down because regardless of what we say we measure ourselves against them? Is it the disappointment from losing marquee matches against Richmond and Geelong after being in winning positions? Is it because we're sick of being beaten up with the "haven't beaten a top 8 side" insult? The comments about dour football are interesting - only Geelong and Adelaide have outscored us. Are we just burnt out after 2 years of disappointment? Or do we think that even if we make the finals, we'll just be making up the numbers and get dumped in quick fashion?

One reason I think for our low mood is that our club doesn't have an identity this year. We were the team everyone loved a few years ago with our gut running and never give up attitude. This year we seem to be doing similar to other clubs. Some parts better than others, some parts worse, but we're not drastically different than anyone. We've only made the top 4 once since 2004, and we all remember how that turned out (or alternatively have blocked it from memory and don't recall what happened in the year between 2006 and 2008). The lack of excitement just feels really unusual given where we're currently sitting.

We've plateaued instead of continuing to rise in a spectacular fashion as we did 2013/14. A couple seasons later and the bandwagonners have jumped off, not necessarily completely, but they can't be bothered turning up in cold weather to watch often mediocre football with their expectation of a win probably being no higher then a 50% chance.

The below is the average attendance for the Oakland Raiders last conference/division championship in 2002, last Super Bowl win in 1987...in a stadium that when in football configuration holds 56k..

2008 57,850
2009 44,284
2010 46,431
2011 59,242
2012 54,216
2013 50,444
2014 53,699

 

[HighBudget]

I used to love his mantra of brave exciting footy.

Maybe Kens saving it for the finals? catch the opposition off guard with not much time to figure out how to counter it, we can only hope

 

[OneGreatClub]

We've plateaued instead of continuing to rise in a spectacular fashion as we did 2013/14. A couple seasons later and the bandwagonners have jumped off, not necessarily completely, but they can't be bothered turning up in cold weather to watch often mediocre football with their expectation of a win probably being no higher then a 50% chance.

The below is the average attendance for the Oakland Raiders last conference/division championship in 2002, last Super Bowl win in 1987...in a stadium that when in football configuration holds 56k..

2008 57,850
2009 44,284
2010 46,431
2011 59,242
2012 54,216
2013 50,444
2014 53,699

What is their membership number?

 

[Steve Dore]

What is their membership number?

American football attendances are irrelevant to AFL attendances.