Prediction 2017 Free Agency & Trading - go to the Gibbs thread if you wish to discuss Gibbs!!!

[Tex Danger]

The only way there will be backdoor deals in a Rocky deal is if we entertain Cameron going there.

A real win-win can occur, particularly maybe in favour of us given we have the contracted player.

If Brisbane agree to not match the Rocky deal then the AFL are introducing a new pick as a bargaining tool. If they match, they have 1 less thing to offer in a charlie deal. If they lose him as a free agent they get pick 20.

Therefore we tell Brisbane we will trade Charlie for "fair value" if they don't match with Rocky. If not we play hardball given he is out of contract and we are in a premiership window. We don't want picks, we want him playing for us next year as that is worth more to us even if we lose him the following year.

 

[Scorpus]

I think it will. They are unlikely to have a player on their list paid more than $800k and if they do Rocky would be in the top 3 easily. Remember also goes on personal achievements such as AA as well which rocky has at least 1 I believe. I feel they will get the band one compo for him.

I will repeat again the exact criteria for band 1 compensation, and it's not based on personal achievements or a team's list profile.

The free agent contract offer must be in the top 5% of salaries for all players above the age of 25. This means the player in question must fall within the highest 15 (or so) paid players in the AFL.

Source: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

 

[Tex Danger]

I will repeat again the exact criteria for band 1 compensation, and it's not based on personal achievements or a team's list profile.

The free agent contract offer must be in the top 5% of salaries for all players above the age of 25. This means the player in question must fall within the highest 15 (or so) paid players in the AFL.

Source: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

That was 2 years ago and given its never really been officially outlined as a rule the criteria then there is a lot of room for the ALF to wiggle.

They have used terms in the past like the formala being based on a rage of factors including age, salary and achievements so not sure when that went (or if it officially has and that article may have just been focussing on the 1 area that directs the judgement with the rest then being taken into account alter it)

If they AFl want to give Brisbane a leg up with Pick 2 (just like Melbourne and Frawley) then they will and find a way to justify it. Whether thats other criteria or quite possibly with the salary cap changes they may say we base it off figures from the current season and his salary for next season would have been in the top X percent in the season gone despite being expected to be significantly lower next season.

 

[Heafy83]

I will repeat again the exact criteria for band 1 compensation, and it's not based on personal achievements or a team's list profile.

The free agent contract offer must be in the top 5% of salaries for all players above the age of 25. This means the player in question must fall within the highest 15 (or so) paid players in the AFL.

Source: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

That doesn't state its the only indicator just one of them and the article is talking of what should be the rules for 2015 and not they are exactly. Sounds like they can vary from year to year. Only slightly though.

I have heard AFL officials talk about personal achievements etc coming into consideration when talking about FA compensation.

 

[Vader]

I think it will. They are unlikely to have a player on their list paid more than $800k and if they do Rocky would be in the top 3 easily. Remember also goes on personal achievements such as AA as well which rocky has at least 1 I believe. I feel they will get the band one compo for him.

It's now based purely on age & salary. Personal achievements are no longer considered.

For them to get Band 1 compensation he has to be in the top-15 paid players in the league. $800k won't be enough to do that.

 

[Betts are off]

It's now based purely on age & salary. Personal achievements are no longer considered.

For them to get Band 1 compensation he has to be in the top-15 paid players in the league. $800k won't be enough to do that.

Saw an article where they were pricing it out at the $1M mark this year... Way too steep

 

[Heafy83]

It's now based purely on age & salary. Personal achievements are no longer considered.

For them to get Band 1 compensation he has to be in the top-15 paid players in the league. $800k won't be enough to do that.

You got an article or something confirming that?

 

[Heafy83]

Just found this:

"
COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result."

That last paragraph says it all really. Lions will get band one compo for Rockliff.

 

[pirate bob]

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result."

That last paragraph says it all really. Lions will get band one compo for Rockliff.

Wonder if a new GM - Football Operations will have been appointed by then?

 

[Vader]

Just found this:

"
COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result."

That last paragraph says it all really. Lions will get band one compo for Rockliff.

That dates back to the compensation as it was originally designed. Then Melbourne got pick #3 for Frawley, which was clearly wrong, and they overhauled the whole thing. Now it's just based on salary.

Rockliff is a handy player, but he isn't worth Band 1 compensation. He's nowhere near the best 15 players in the league, aged 25+, and Adelaide won't be offering him the salary of a (league wide) top-15 player. They're looking at Band 2 compensation, which would still be pick #18 overall.

 

[Heafy83]

Wonder if a new GM - Football Operations will have been appointed by then?

If not Gilly will be all over it like a fat kid in a candy store

 

[Heafy83]

That dates back to the compensation as it was originally designed. Then Melbourne got pick #3 for Frawley, which was clearly wrong, and they overhauled the whole thing.

Rockliff is a handy player, but he isn't worth Band 1 compensation. He's nowhere near the best 15 players in the league, aged 25+, and Adelaide won't be offering him the salary of a (league wide) top-15 player. They're looking at Band 2 compensation, which would still be pick #18 overall.

He is worth band one compo to the Lions. That's the important part and what it will come down to when the AFL makes their decision. He will be just outside of that Band 1 compo on $800k (if thats what we offer). Its then all up to the AFL discretion on what happens from there. My bet is them siding with band 1 given how tough the Lions have it atm in keeping players etc.

 

[Vader]

He is worth band one compo to the Lions. That's the important part and what it will come down to when the AFL makes their decision. He will be just outside of that Band 1 compo on $800k (if thats what we offer). Its then all up to the AFL discretion on what happens from there. My bet is them siding with band 1 given how tough the Lions have it atm in keeping players etc.

He's really not. He's not worth Band 1 compensation. Full. Stop.

 

[Vader]

Here's an article from AFL.com.au, taken from 2015 - when the new system (post-Frawley) was first introduced:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.
...
It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent's new contract sits.
...
To put that figure in perspective, a wage that ranks in the top five per cent of players aged 25-plus would put the free agent among the game's top 15 earners.
...
The AFL also explained that if a player's contract offer ranked in the next 10 per cent band then he would command compensation at the end of the first round, the next 15 per cent earned a second-round pick and the next 20 per cent earned a pick at the end of the second round.

Based on the numbers published elsewhere, a player in the top 5% in 2018 will need to be earning approximately $950k. I doubt that Adelaide would offer Rockliff more than $800k, and even that would be doubtful.

 

[Crowked]

If Rockliff is costing $800K+. Forget it. He's simply not good enough to warrant that.

Hope Port do it though.

 

[Heafy83]

He's really not. He's not worth Band 1 compensation. Full. Stop.

He is. You are forgetting how good he is. He is their best midfielder by a long stretch if played in position. Only reason he's being jerked around is because Lions know he is gone at the end of the season and they are getting games into the youngsters in the middle.

Regardless if he comes to Adelaide or not. If he leaves via FA then I believe Lions should be getting band 1 compo. Take a look at the below. Now I would expect band 1 compo if Sloane were to leave the Crows. Sloane & Rockliff are almost identical. Only difference is Rockliff plays for a terrible side and doesn't gets the wins on the board. Plus he plays outside victoria so doesnt get the media he would if he was there.

 

[Geoffa32]

Rockliff will be deemed band one purely because it helps the Lions.

They will then have three first round picks in this year's draft.

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[Heafy83]

Here's an article from AFL.com.au, taken from 2015 - when the new system (post-Frawley) was first introduced:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-


Based on the numbers published elsewhere, a player in the top 5% in 2018 will need to be earning approximately $950k. I doubt that Adelaide would offer Rockliff more than $800k, and even that would be doubtful.

You forget the committees discretion to award higher or lower if they so please.

 

[Crowked]

You forget the committees discretion to award higher or lower if they so please.

Yeh, forgot the AFL have the right too corrupt if and when it suits them

 

[Vader]

He is. You are forgetting how good he is. He is their best midfielder by a long stretch if played in position. Only reason he's being jerked around is because Lions know he is gone at the end of the season and they are getting games into the youngsters in the middle.

Regardless if he comes to Adelaide or not. If he leaves via FA then I believe Lions should be getting band 1 compo. Take a look at the below. Now I would expect band 1 compo if Sloane were to leave the Crows. Sloane & Rockliff are almost identical. Only difference is Rockliff plays for a terrible side and doesn't gets the wins on the board. Plus he plays outside victoria so doesnt get the media he would if he was there.

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Irrelevant. The benchmark for Band 1 compensation isn't being "the best midfielder at Brisbane", it's being in the top-15 wage earners (aged 25+) in the league.

Rockliff isn't remotely close to being one of the top-15 players (25+) in the league. There is only one conclusion here - he's not worth Band 1 compensation.

 

[Vader]

You forget the committees discretion to award higher or lower if they so please.

If there is an anomalous result. Paying him $950k would be anomalous. Paying him $800k, resulting in Band 2 compensation, is not anomalous - so no need for using discretionary powers.

 

[Heafy83]

Irrelevant. The benchmark for Band 1 compensation isn't being "the best midfielder at Brisbane", it's being in the top-15 wage earners (aged 25+) in the league.

Rockliff isn't remotely close to being one of the top-15 players (25+) in the league. There is only one conclusion here - he's not worth Band 1 compensation.

No compensation comes from being top 15 wage earner. Its not based on talent. Wages and talent don't always line up. His potential wages sit him just outside of band 1. It is close enough for the AFL to give the Lions a free kick. One they rightly deserve.

The AFL discretion is something you are totally ignoring.

Question......... Do you think Sloane is worth band 1 compo?

 

[Heafy83]

If there is an anomalous result. Paying him $950k would be anomalous. Paying him $800k, resulting in Band 2 compensation, is not anomalous - so no need for using discretionary powers.

Says who?

If he is being paid $950k then he meets it anyway so the committee just hit the rule book. If he gets paid $800k then he is just outside. Since AFL player salaries are not publicly known then AFL can play it how they like.

 

[Vader]

No compensation comes from being top 15 wage earner. Its not based on talent. Wages and talent don't always line up. His potential wages sit him just outside of band 1. It is close enough for the AFL to give the Lions a free kick. One they rightly deserve.

The AFL discretion is something you are totally ignoring.

Question......... Do you think Sloane is worth band 1 compo?

His potential wages sit outside the top-15, because he's not a good enough player to justify being paid a top-15 wage. Not top-15 in either talent or wage, so not Band 1.

If the AFL wants to give Brisbane a priority draft pick, as they did last year, then that's another matter entirely. Free Agency compensation has nothing to do with this - it's based purely on the player, and what they're offered by their new club. On that basis, there is no case whatsoever for Brisbane receiving Band 1 compensation for Rockliff.

 

[Vader]

Says who?

If he is being paid $950k then he meets it anyway so the committee just hit the rule book. If he gets paid $800k then he is just outside. Since AFL player salaries are not publicly known then AFL can play it how they like.

He's a $650k player. $800k is about right, including a premium for luring him away from his existing club. $950k for a player of Rockliff's ability is ridiculous.