Prediction 2017 Free Agency & Trading - go to the Gibbs thread if you wish to discuss Gibbs!!!

[Shaz2012]

Its not bending the rules. It clearly states its up to the committee to decide what they see as the right compo if they believe its incorrect. No one knows what Rockliff will be paid but he is close enough to the band 1 compo for them to get away with it. Frawley was no where near the band 1 compo in terms of wages. His was heavily weighted on personal accolades. There was also a massive stink because the Dees had a huge amount of top 5 picks in the last 5 years previous including priority picks.

Brisbane yes have had top picks but are also leaking quality talent. The AFL also screwed them over when they brought GC into the comp robbing them of a lot of local talent. It is clear the AFL is trying to give the Lions a leg up in their involvement in getting the right management up there in place.

Yes there may be a bit of a stink but it will be small because a.) they are not a vic team b.) they are not seen as a threat c.) they are in more trouble than the Dees ever were on and off field

Even if that discretion was possible, it would require Brisbane to do the trade first and then hope for the best. Unlikely they would take the risk. They wont wanting to get rid of him at any cost. Only for a deal which is better than keeping a great player. The optics of letting Rockliff go will be very bad among the playing group. They will also need to be sold that its better for them as players in their push for a next premiership. Pick 2-4 is about the only thing that nobody could really argue with

 

[Vader]

I believe its an easy leg up for them to give rather than having to give them a priority pick. You are suggesting the decision is set in stone and not subject to deliberation when it quite clear its up to a committees discretion. You are also suggesting the AFL always stick to the rulebook :/

It's only up to the committee's discretion if the formula generates a materially anomalous result. You keep ignoring this, in favour of some fantasy/conspiracy which has no actual basis in fact.

If there's no materially anomalous result, then there's no committee recommendation.

 

[Vader]

Also I know the Frawley situation was before the new rules but its the closest comparison we have. And even then you are compared apples with oranges. Rocky is a much better player and will be much higher paid than Frawley ever was.

It's not the "closest comparison". It was done under the old rules - and the new rules were a direct result of the Frawley farce. They were specifically introduced to prevent the Frawley situation from being repeated.

If there's anything to take away from the Frawley precedent it's that Brisbane will not be receiving Band 1 compensation for Rockliff.

 

[Vader]

Even if that discretion was possible, it would require Brisbane to do the trade first and then hope for the best. Unlikely they would take the risk. They wont wanting to get rid of him at any cost. Only for a deal which is better than keeping a great player. The optics of letting Rockliff go will be very bad among the playing group. They will also need to be sold that its better for them as players in their push for a next premiership. Pick 2-4 is about the only thing that nobody could really argue with

Rockliff is an RFA. Brisbane have the option of matching any offers he may receive. That is their right, and nobody is arguing otherwise.

However, it doesn't alter anything else that's being discussed. It's virtually inconceivable that Adelaide would offer Rockliff a wage which would make him one of the AFL's top-15 earners. Given that, Brisbane would be looking at Band 2 compensation. It's up to them to decide whether they wish to match Adelaide's offer, or accept a Band 2 compensation pick (#18 overall).

 

[Shaz2012]

Rockliff is an RFA. Brisbane have the option of matching any offers he may receive. That is their right, and nobody is arguing otherwise.

However, it doesn't alter anything else that's being discussed. It's virtually inconceivable that Adelaide would offer Rockliff a wage which would make him one of the AFL's top-15 earners. Given that, Brisbane would be looking at Band 2 compensation. It's up to them to decide whether they wish to match Adelaide's offer, or accept a Band 2 compensation pick (#18 overall).

Then there is an irresistible force -immovable object paradox. Because no way Brisbane let him leave for a second round compensation pick.

 

[Mego Red]

Obviously if Rockliff actually gets a contract offer in the top 5%, he will generate band 1 compensation. What I'm suggesting is that a) no club would give him that sort of contract (assumed to be $900k+ per year) and b) the AFL wouldn't bend the rules to give Brisbane band 1 compensation if he actually falls into band 2 compensation.

You're forgetting an OBVIOUS thing.

The AFL won't create a situation where Brisbane matches. They do NOT want a system where Free Agents are unable to get to the club they want to because clubs are matching and blocking player movement.

Richmond were going to match on Vickery - until somehow Hawthorn gave JUST enough money to get Vickery into band two compo, and Richmond smiled and rolled over.

The player and both clubs got what they wanted.

If you think we're going to see scenarios where players are stuck in situations they don't want to be in because the AFL are not giving enough compo, you're insane. Player power is far too strong for that to happen.

Rockliff is worth a first round pick, not a second.

 

[Scorpus]

Rockliff is worth a first round pick, not a second.

Exactly. Which is why he will give Brisbane pick 18. Fair value.

 

[Heafy83]

It's only up to the committee's discretion if the formula generates a materially anomalous result. You keep ignoring this, in favour of some fantasy/conspiracy which has no actual basis in fact.

If there's no materially anomalous result, then there's no committee recommendation.

No you keep ignoring how the AFL interpret such guidelines they set for themselves and how they consistently manipulate them to suit their agenda. They are a law unto themselves and answer to no body else. There are no conspiracies or fantasies but they consistently will manipulate a rules/guidelines that have a grey area to suit their agenda. You cannot define materially anomalous in this instance. Its a case by case basis. You are saying $800k is fair yet $950k is materially anomalous...a mere 18% above fair? Where is the line drawn? I would have thought 30-50% above fair would be more out of the ordinary and anomaly. Everyone thought Betts at $550k a year was way over his worth. Most had him valued at $400-$450k. Thats 22-38% above what everyone said was fair. Is that materially anomalous?

My point is 'materially anomalous' is up for debate and I guarantee you if the AFL sees fit it will suit their agenda.

You are ignorant and naive to believe bodies such as the AFL, NBA, FIFA, MLB do not continuously manipulate situations to suit their own agenda.

 

[skittlebrew]

Then there is an irresistible force -immovable object paradox. Because no way Brisbane let him leave for a second round compensation pick.

Agreed. I thought Brisbane might be keen on letting him go since they are going through a rebuild and Rocky doesnt seem to be the best role model at times.
But for only a second round pick? Hell no.
Brisbane still has a hard time of finding players wanting to stick around and Rocky actually wants to.

 

[Sanders]

Sloane was one of the red hot favourites for the Brownlow this year, until he started getting tagged. There's a strong case that he's one of the top-15 players in the league, so yes - he'd be Band 1. He's probably the only Band 1 player on our list. Not Tex, not Talia.

And this is where all these discussions go wrong

All the others guys are shit, our guys are gold.

Arguing Sloane is one of the top 15 players in the league this year takes some imagination

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I'd love the deliciousness of trading Cameron to Brissie for Ports pick and getting Fogarty for that pick.

 

[azza77]

He is. You are forgetting how good he is. He is their best midfielder by a long stretch if played in position. Only reason he's being jerked around is because Lions know he is gone at the end of the season and they are getting games into the youngsters in the middle.

Regardless if he comes to Adelaide or not. If he leaves via FA then I believe Lions should be getting band 1 compo. Take a look at the below. Now I would expect band 1 compo if Sloane were to leave the Crows. Sloane & Rockliff are almost identical. Only difference is Rockliff plays for a terrible side and doesn't gets the wins on the board. Plus he plays outside victoria so doesnt get the media he would if he was there.

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Yeah umm no, he's worth even close to 800k. Stop being seduced by the stats.

Beams (when fit) is their best midfielder by so much it's not funny.

 

[CROWS84]

I'd love the deliciousness of trading Cameron to Brissie for Ports pick and getting Fogarty for that pick.

Yeah been thinking that. Especially now he's slipped down in the rankings, hopefully far enough..

 

[redhorse]

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[CrowsB4hoes]

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Nah, we got this

 

[Danger in Texas]

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Will always gladly accept some rumours from the horse's mouth. Whether they come true or not, it doesn't matter

 

[chazwazza]

What ever happened to the "secret coded rumour" thread?

 

[Captain Morgan]

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Your stories are as welcome as everyone else's !

 

[hey shorty]

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Only if you have something that will send half the board into raptures and half bagging the absolute suitcase out of you

 

[Scorpus]

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I see AFL Trade Leaks has decided to show up!

...or shouldn't I have revealed your identity?

 

[threefa9]

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Tell us a story mate go for it


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[Sanders]

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Phew!

you're overdue to get something right, after a lifetime 0/25 batting average this might be your time

 

[huludicidal]

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Fire away mate. We need some contract offer rumours in our lives.

 

[redhorse]

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Phew!

you're overdue to get something right, after a lifetime 0/25 batting average this might be your time

Haha. Yeah thats it kfc...totally at zero. Lol. I come here just to see you flustered. Made my day.

 

[jirkago]

Just reading the last 5 pages about Rockliff compo if he leaves. The afl is not a fair competition, nor does it care if the majority if upset. It will do what it wants, chances r if he leaves, they get pick 2 or 3. Everyone will complain for a while and then get on with it. Like someone said they arnt challenging and the afl always like to help the northern states ( bar sydney)

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