Am I the only schmuck going in with the Goldy/Sandy combo?
Goldy will average 100 plus, Preuss or no Preuss.
Goldy will average 100 plus, Preuss or no Preuss.
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I had it for most of the season before seeing some HTA/third man up stats and Goldy's injury.
It's very likely about 75% of us jump to that configuration when Spencer is named in Round 1 anyway.
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For those wondering about cover for Sandilands if he is a late out; I have looked into which rounds Nankervis and/or Ryder will cover the big b*stard if he is a late out:
Rounds without cover:
If you take only Ryder: 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 (14, 15, 17, 18, 22)
If you take only Nankervis: 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, 11, 12 (15, 16, 17)
If you take both Ryder and Nankervis: 1, 7, 9, 11 (15, 17)
Sandilands cover:
R1: None
R2: Ryder
R3: Ryder
R4: Ryder and Nankervis
R5: Nankervis
R6: Nankervis
R7: None
R8: Ryder and Nankervis
R9: None
R10: Nankervis (Richmond play at 7.25, Freo 7.40, so as long as it isn't last minute late out)
R11: None
R12: Ryder
R13: Ryder and Nankervis (Freo bye)
R14: Nankervis
R15: None
R16: Ryder
R17: None
R18: Nankervis
R19: Ryder and Nankervis
R20: Ryder and Nankervis
R21: Ryder and Nankervis
R22: Nankervis
R23: ??? (fixture not released)
Edit: There's not much you can trade Sandi to if he is a late out in any of the games without cover:
R1: Freo play Geelong in final game of round
R7: Freo play Essendon in final game of round
R9: Freo play Carlton in final game of round
R11: Freo play Collingwood in final game of round
R15: Freo play St Kilda in final game of round
R17: Freo play West Coast in final game of round
Rounds without cover:
If you take only Ryder: 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 (14, 15, 17, 18, 22)
If you take only Nankervis: 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, 11, 12 (15, 16, 17)
If you take both Ryder and Nankervis: 1, 7, 9, 11 (15, 17)
Sandilands cover:
R1: None
R2: Ryder
R3: Ryder
R4: Ryder and Nankervis
R5: Nankervis
R6: Nankervis
R7: None
R8: Ryder and Nankervis
R9: None
R10: Nankervis (Richmond play at 7.25, Freo 7.40, so as long as it isn't last minute late out)
R11: None
R12: Ryder
R13: Ryder and Nankervis (Freo bye)
R14: Nankervis
R15: None
R16: Ryder
R17: None
R18: Nankervis
R19: Ryder and Nankervis
R20: Ryder and Nankervis
R21: Ryder and Nankervis
R22: Nankervis
R23: ??? (fixture not released)
Edit: There's not much you can trade Sandi to if he is a late out in any of the games without cover:
R1: Freo play Geelong in final game of round
R7: Freo play Essendon in final game of round
R9: Freo play Carlton in final game of round
R11: Freo play Collingwood in final game of round
R15: Freo play St Kilda in final game of round
R17: Freo play West Coast in final game of round
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Gawn V Goldy is tough. Gawn was locked in until discussion was raised about playing Spencer as well.
1st 4 games:
Gawn V Hickey, Kreuzer, Z Smith, Sandi
Goldy V Giles, Z Smith, Mummy, Boyd
Goldy should out score Gawn in the 1st 4 weeks - Giles and Boyd should be decent scores. Still will wait to see if Spencer is named.
1st 4 games:
Gawn V Hickey, Kreuzer, Z Smith, Sandi
Goldy V Giles, Z Smith, Mummy, Boyd
Goldy should out score Gawn in the 1st 4 weeks - Giles and Boyd should be decent scores. Still will wait to see if Spencer is named.
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Simple solution is Witts R3 as Sandi cover.
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Everyone losing their minds over late outs - how often does this actually happen? I am only worried when he is rested for a week - which is much much more likely to happen I believe due to Freo leaving him home when they play interstate. When this happens, you know.
Realistically how often will he be a late out?
I would guess none. Doesn't happen that often.
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Hickey Sandi anyone?
Yeah outside of Mummy Goldy will smash it.
You could almost captain him against us - he'll be going up against Petrie/Vardy who Gawn took apart in the ruck last week (just no follow up work).
Hickey is an interesting one. He could breakout and be a great pick. But I don't trust him for now. Was inconsistent scoring last year.
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Big risk going into the season without 1 of Goldy or Gawn. The new ruck rule will only increase their scoring IMO.
I see that a few are in the school of thought of picking Gawn regardless of Spencer playing. I get that Spencer is unlikely to stay in the team for long. But it's a big risk IMO. I'll put more thought into it if Spencer is named but at this stage I finds it hard to pick Gawn if Spencer plays. Although yes it will make him more unique.
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Forget it man, ur not getting Gawn as a pod.
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I just flipped Gawn into Witts and turned a backline rookie into Shaw. Somehow weirdly feels like the right thing to do??
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Who is your other ruckman?
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Witts is so bad around the ground though. Adds almost nothing!
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You and me both.
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Seriously starting to see merit in the SandWitt approach with Nank in at F5.
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sandilands.
i suppose I'm thinking that shaw is a yes and with the new no third man up rule ruck scoring could maybe possibly change a little lot maybe a fair bit so taking a guarantee with shaw and a speculative guess with sandiwitts cameron and banks in the forward line is a fair gamble.
It then allows three premos in defence + mills and jones.
tis all fun and games and procrastination
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Witts is hungry though. Was all primed to be the number 1 at the pies with everyone talking him up, all pies supporters preferred him over grundy and then suddenly grundy went bang. Witts wants something in his belly and will play hard and from memory was considered a much better tap ruck men than Grundy.
A lot of 'who knows' with the rucks and the only guide is the JLT which gave us knowledge we didn't necessarily want which is that Nank as a good tap ruck men and can take a mark around the ground will more than likely score well with the new rules and Grundy who posted very poor HTA's in JLT may score badly??
Gawn didn't set the world on fire, Goldstein injury query, Sandi looked good, Witts had a good last game, Kreutzer looks fitter than ever and then there's the dreaded Spence and Preuss...fungoola
I'm taking a calculated risk with these two spots on the field and pumping money everywhere else!!
A lot of 'who knows' with the rucks and the only guide is the JLT which gave us knowledge we didn't necessarily want which is that Nank as a good tap ruck men and can take a mark around the ground will more than likely score well with the new rules and Grundy who posted very poor HTA's in JLT may score badly??
Gawn didn't set the world on fire, Goldstein injury query, Sandi looked good, Witts had a good last game, Kreutzer looks fitter than ever and then there's the dreaded Spence and Preuss...fungoola
I'm taking a calculated risk with these two spots on the field and pumping money everywhere else!!
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The no third man up rule can only mean more hitouts for ruckmen. Im not seeing downside to their scoring because of it.
If ur plan is up grade witts to a true premo later go for it even though I think u will get burned with scoring early on as I dont see him averaging more than 90.
Will make some cash though.
What are his hta stats like during the jlt?
For example sam jacobs was sole ruck for adelaide last year and because his hta stats sucked he only average 86 and he didnt really have that bad of a year form wise.
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One of the posters was quoting HTA during the JLT series and I can't find them anymore and I cannot remember all of it but it pointed out Nanks being good, Witts was good and Grundy being poor.
I think he will be a stepping stone that can make some money and having Nanks in the forward line allows flexibility.
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Can we get one thing straight?
The new ruck rule is not called 'no third man up rule', it is in fact called 'the designated ruck rule'
Third man up has never been mentioned in any rule nor has there been a previous rule for or against it.
'Designated ruck or nominated ruck' is the correct terminology
The new ruck rule is not called 'no third man up rule', it is in fact called 'the designated ruck rule'
Third man up has never been mentioned in any rule nor has there been a previous rule for or against it.
'Designated ruck or nominated ruck' is the correct terminology
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Im eager to see how much this no third man up rule increases scoring
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