2018 Rolling All Australian Team

[00Stinger]

Can't have a guy serving 8 weeks on the team. Terrible look and bad example for the kids.

almost as bad as having a bloke on a team who was suspended for a drug charge.

Suspensions mean shit when it comes to the AA team imo

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[00Stinger]

Don’t get upset mate. They are all opinions. There are plenty of awards which go either way and arguments both for and against those awards (even the coaches award).

Both great players and whoever gets the starting ruck position will deserve it.

Not upset. Just pointing out how stupid it would be if a bloke wins the AFzlCA coaches award for player of the year, yet the AA selectors cant find a spot in the 18 for him.

There are plenty of awards but surely this one holds more weight than say the Herald Sun player of the year or other media awards

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[BPikkers]

Not upset. Just pointing out how stupid it would be if a bloke wins the AFzlCA coaches award for player of the year, yet the AA selectors cant find a spot in the 18 for him.

There are plenty of awards but surely this one holds more weight than say the Herald Sun player of the year or other media awards

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Why? Each award has their positives and negatives. Not dissimilar to the Brownlow and every other award.

If the coaches award is the best and most accurate, then why have a Brownlow?

If you look at the opinions going around it’s a close call between the two. And that’s from ‘neutrals’.

 

[00Stinger]

Why? Each award has their positives and negatives. Not dissimilar to the Brownlow and every other award.

If the coaches award is the best and most accurate, then why have a Brownlow?

If you look at the opinions going around it’s a close call between the two. And that’s from ‘neutrals’.

I just hold the coaches opinions higher than any so called neutrals.

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[MC Extra Dollop]

Why? Each award has their positives and negatives. Not dissimilar to the Brownlow and every other award.

If the coaches award is the best and most accurate, then why have a Brownlow?

If you look at the opinions going around it’s a close call between the two. And that’s from ‘neutrals’.

Agreed. Ruck is different to other positions. There's nothing to stop two ruckmen going 1-2 in the AFLCA award, but there's only space for one on the ground, unless one has spent significant time up forward.

If I was a Melbourne or Collingwood supporter, I don't think I'd be really fussed if my guy was on the bench. The important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is that they're recognised as one of the top 20 or so players of the year. If there weren't two outstanding ruckmen in the comp in a given season, they wouldn't have two in the AA team.

 

[Fonzeno1]

I just hold the coaches opinions higher than any so called neutrals.

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The AFLCA award should have nothing to do with AA selection. It will depend on what the selectors want. Both are very good ruckmen Max has a slight edge in hit outs and marking around the ground but Grundy is harder and lays more tackles, gets more clearances, gets more contested ball and more overall possessions. It will be close but both will be selected.

 

[00Stinger]

The AFLCA award should have nothing to do with AA selection. It will depend on what the selectors want. Both are very good ruckmen Max has a slight edge in hit outs and marking around the ground but Grundy is harder and lays more tackles, gets more clearances, gets more contested ball and more overall possessions. It will be close but both will be selected.

yeah true, people like Gil McLaughlin and Mark Evans would be stupid to listen to unknowledgable judges like the coaches.

By way Gawn is more than slightly ahead in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, marks & contested marks. Also Gawn doesnt need to get many clearances as he is doing his job better the first time (hitouts).

Not even sure what to say about your claim Grundy is harder at it, lol I guess

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[LeverPuller]

Gawn will be first ever to 1000 hitouts in a H&A season if he gets 37 on Sunday.

 

[citizen-erased]

short of an amazing 4 week burst the likes of which we have never seen; my 22.
Jetta Andrews Laird
Hurn Astbury Grimes
Gaff Cripps Higgins
Martin Hawkins Sidebottom
Breust Brown Riewoldt
Grundy Oliver Mitchell
Pendlebury Gray Gawn Dangerfield

Small changes

Jetta Andrews Laird
Hurn Astbury Grimes
Gaff Cripps Higgins
Martin Hawkins Sidebottom
Breust Riewoldt gunston
Grundy Oliver Mitchell
Pendlebury Gawn coniglio yeo

Really want heeney in there but tough to remove anyone else.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Small changes

Jetta Andrews Laird
Hurn Astbury Grimes
Gaff Cripps Higgins
Martin Hawkins Sidebottom
Breust Riewoldt gunston
Grundy Oliver Mitchell
Pendlebury Gawn coniglio yeo

Really want heeney in there but tough to remove anyone else.

Try and explain Sidebottom before Danger...

 

[citizen-erased]

Try and explain Sidebottom before Danger...

Not that hard. Has been better across the season as a whole

 

[Fonzeno1]

yeah true, people like Gil McLaughlin and Mark Evans would be stupid to listen to unknowledgable judges like the coaches.

By way Gawn is more than slightly ahead in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, marks & contested marks. Also Gawn doesnt need to get many clearances as he is doing his job better the first time (hitouts).

Not even sure what to say about your claim Grundy is harder at it, lol I guess

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Um he is harder. That's why he has more tackles and contested footy. Grundy also has more competition in the top 20 AFLCA votes which you love so much only gawn and Oliver feature for Melbourne for 152 votes for Collingwood Pendlebury, sidebottom and Grundy feature for 180 votes at round 21. So there's more votes taken from one and other.

 

[Bazzar]

yeah true, people like Gil McLaughlin and Mark Evans would be stupid to listen to unknowledgable judges like the coaches.

By way Gawn is more than slightly ahead in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, marks & contested marks. Also Gawn doesnt need to get many clearances as he is doing his job better the first time (hitouts).

Not even sure what to say about your claim Grundy is harder at it, lol I guess

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I was under the impression from a comment at the end of last year from Dimma re Grimes that the coaches put forward player nominations for AA for the AFL to consider

 

[00Stinger]

Um he is harder. That's why he has more tackles and contested footy. Grundy also has more competition in the top 20 AFLCA votes which you love so much only gawn and Oliver feature for Melbourne for 152 votes for Collingwood Pendlebury, sidebottom and Grundy feature for 180 votes at round 21. So there's more votes taken from one and other.

Harder at it? Is that why Gawn has more one percenters?

You are very selective with your stats aren't you? Gawn and Oliver both have more votes than Grundy lol. I dont conceed that could change though.

The BEST players get votes, using the excuse that players are taking votes off each other is a cop out. If votes are getting taken off players it is because they have not been good enough!

Even on the coaches annonymous MVP voting Gawn was ahead of Grundy, in fact he got more votes than any other player in the league
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/who-is-the-games-mvp-coaches-have-their-say




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[00Stinger]

I was under the impression from a comment at the end of last year from Dimma re Grimes that the coaches put forward player nominations for AA for the AFL to consider

would make total sense to do that

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[Fonzeno1]

Harder at it? Is that why Gawn has more one percenters?

You are very selective with your stats aren't you? Gawn and Oliver both have more votes than Grundy lol. I dont conceed that could change though.

The BEST players get votes, using the excuse that players are taking votes off each other is a cop out. If votes are getting taken off players it is because they have not been good enough!

Even on the coaches annonymous MVP voting Gawn was ahead of Grundy, in fact he got more votes than any other player in the league
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/who-is-the-games-mvp-coaches-have-their-say




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Do you even know what one percenters are? Seriously I the point that gawn is a better tap ruckman and contested mark but Grundy is better at ground level and harder at the contest. You can agree or disagree but don't tell me standings on the AFLCA leader board should be considered when choosing AA because they shouldn't nor should any other award. You're opinion is yours mine is mine sorry they're different

 

[Bazzar]

would make total sense to do that

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I think it was the post GF edition of On The Couch and he said he felt a bit guilty at not nominating him for the AA squad but if he backs it up this year he will.

 

[Collingwoodity]

lol no westhoff

He really is a fantastic player.


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[LeverPuller]

Do you even know what one percenters are? Seriously I the point that gawn is a better tap ruckman and contested mark but Grundy is better at ground level and harder at the contest. You can agree or disagree but don't tell me standings on the AFLCA leader board should be considered when choosing AA because they shouldn't nor should any other award. You're opinion is yours mine is mine sorry they're different

Gawn might end up the only player to have 1000 hitouts since tracking began. He’s already likely going to hit the H&A record since Goldstein had 2 more matches and only got to 1058.

He’s the best ruckman in the game. Grundy is deserving for his around-the-ball on top of his ruckwork but his ruckwork hasn’t been on Gawn’s level.

And Gawn is still averaging 16 touches a game. It’s not like he is just hitting out and stopping.

 

[t_bond_legend]

Not that hard. Has been better across the season as a whole

Danger has been easily better. I love Steele but Danger has been on another level compared to Sidebottom.

 

[Topkent]

Who cares about Gawn and Grundy? Both should be in the side. The only 2 people who should care about where they are named are those 2. For everyone else they will be known as AA and 2xAA rucks

 

[Back One Out]

B: Dylan Grimes - Alex Rance (vc) - Rory Laird
HB: Shannon Hurn (c) - Phil Davis - Lachie Whitfield
C: Andrew Gaff - Patrick Cripps - Shaun Higgins
HF: Patrick Dangerfield - Lance Franklin - Dustin Martin
F: Luke Breust - Jack Riewoldt - Tom Hawkins
R: Brodie Grundy - Clayton Oliver - Tom Mitchell
INT: Max Gawn - Elliot Yeo - Jack Macrae - Stephen Coniglio

Dangerfield on a HF is probably pushing it, considering I've got Martin there as well. Happy to throw someone like Gunston there and move Danger to the wing or bench.

Stewart, Andrews and Blicavs close in defence.

Brown still a chance with a big bag next round but he has fallen away in the second half of the year.

Good post, AG. I agree with pretty much everything you’ve posted here. Your team & positionings are spot on.

Ben Brown has dropped away as the season has worn on. He has played 2 good games in the past 3 months. I don’t think he offers as much as those other KPFs you’ve named. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the AA selectors picked him ahead of Buddy. He was stiff to miss last year.

Tom Stewart has had great year and will probably get picked in the back pocket, but I wouldn’t have him in my 22. I think he belongs in the group of defenders who just miss out: Andrews, Jonas, Tarrant, Blicavs, Stratton, Jetta, Lloyd.

Laird and Whitfield are really competing for the same spot on the half back line, but they'll probably both get picked. The selectors love picking the high possession getters in defence.

Harris Andrews is the interesting one. Aside from Rance, he really has been the best full back this season, but missing a few games with the head knock seems to have weighed heavily against him. Bloody unlucky. He deserves selection. Maybe tip Phil Davis out of the team and put Andrews in there instead.

I’d have Gawn ahead of Grundy, but it’s splitting hairs really. They’ve both had tremendous seasons.

Gunston is another interesting shout. I think he shades Josh Caddy for the half forward flank, but it’s hard to go past Danger & Dusty in those spots. AA selectors love fitting midfielders onto the half forward flanks - Dusty & Danger give them the perfect excuse with the amount of time they've spent up forward this season. It would be fairer on the forwards to choose between Gunston & Caddy for one HFF and choose between Martin, Dangerfield and Gray for the other HFF.

Hurn will probably be named captain, but I think it's a crock of shit the way club captaincy takes such significance when choosing the All Australian captain. If this was real team playing a real match against another nation, would Hurn really be named the Australian captain ahead of Dangerfield, Rance, Riewoldt or Franklin? I doubt it. Leonardo Messi isn't the Barcelona captain, but it's a no-brainer that he captains Argentina.

 

[FastLane]

so when Gawn picks up votes off the coaches again today he will be leading the AFLCA player of the year award. You know, the award for player of the year voted by the coaches.

But your right, what would those fools know. Grundy is the better player lol

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You're not your

You are a fraud and not a true Melbourne supporter!


Unless the English departments in the grammar schools have dropped off significantly!
Grundy is the better player- he just has more better players around him than Gawn to take votes

 

[FastLane]

Is take Maxy over Grundy every day. He does exactly what a ruckman is supposed to do, and does it better than anyone. Puts it in the lap of his teammates consistently

He is a traditional ruckman and a bloody good one- I prefer Grundy and Nank types- tougher and do more around the ground, especially in contests.

BTW Nank is stiff to have these 2 playing, otherwise he'd be in

 

[00Stinger]

You're not your

You are a fraud and not a true Melbourne supporter!


Unless the English departments in the grammar schools have dropped off significantly!
Grundy is the better player- he just has more better players around him than Gawn to take votes

lol. Melbourne have two players in the top 4.

Then when the coaches voted on the MVP Max got more votes than Collingwood as a whole.

Try again

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