List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 1

[VDS66]

I would want to see that he could actually dominate in the midfield before we gave up big money for him and his issues. we have enough "potential" types running around at the moment.

By which time he would cost double and two first round picks...

 

[aussierulesrules]

If we have De Goey types I must have missed them.

 

[FQFjt]

If I could take any Collingwood youngster I wanted it would be Stephenson.

 

[Sab22]

If we have De Goey types I must have missed them.

There's only one De Goey type that's De Goey

 

[#gosaintas]

De Goey is worth an early first round pick. Not pick 1-4 but anything worse than that then I'd do it. I'd also trade Stuv for a first rounder. Bloke just can't kick.

 

[bird_man]

As good as it would be, I very much doubt DeGoey is going anywhere.

 

[Joffaboy]

De Goey is worth an early first round pick. Not pick 1-4 but anything worse than that then I'd do it. I'd also trade Stuv for a first rounder. Bloke just can't kick.

Oh dear, on do many levels

Poor troll

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[triggering bro]

I’m sick of going to the draft & waiting three years for the kid to develop. Trade our first for De Goey, blokes a root-rat & ready to go.

 

[aussierulesrules]

As good as it would be, I very much doubt DeGoey is going anywhere.

Yep, it's just a fantasy pretty much. If he keeps out of trouble for the rest of the year and keeps regularly playing like he did today or better we're about as much chance of getting him from Collingwood as we would be getting someone like Merrett or McGrath from Essendon, or SPS from Carlton.

 

[StCicatriz]

Personally forget throwing the money at Sloane or Gaff.

I'd just make a massive offer to Dylan Shiel. I mean that seriously. Go crazy. Shake the tree ****ing hard. We have to seriously lump pressure on GWS who have serious cap constraints.

 

[triggering bro]

I don't get the DeGoey hype. He is another one of those forward/mid types that we already have.
Would be a waste to use a draft pick and big salary on him when we could get Gaff or Sloane through free agency.

He looks like an Isaac Heeney type. Tough, good kick, good mark, versatile & cutting his teeth in the forward line until he builds the tank to wreck campaigners thru the midfield. I’d offer him something he can’t knock back. Boyd money.

 

[Joffaboy]

Personally forget throwing the money at Sloane or Gaff.

I'd just make a massive offer to Dylan Shiel. I mean that seriously. Go crazy. Shake the tree ******* hard. We have to seriously lump pressure on GWS who have serious cap constraints.

If we could get Shiel, I would be absolutely wrapt.

Lets prey for a GWS premiership

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[triggering bro]

Yep, it's just a fantasy pretty much. If he keeps out of trouble for the rest of the year and keeps regularly playing like he did today or better we're about as much chance of getting him from Collingwood as we would be getting someone like Merrett or McGrath from Essendon, or SPS from Carlton.

He’s uncontracted. He looks like a money hungry grub, throw him an offer he can’t refuse.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Personally forget throwing the money at Sloane or Gaff.

I'd just make a massive offer to Dylan Shiel. I mean that seriously. Go crazy. Shake the tree ******* hard. We have to seriously lump pressure on GWS who have serious cap constraints.

Half of GWS's list is OOC or eligible for FA at the end of next year, so for me that's when we need to go hard at them.

This year go hard and try to land anyone who will make us better and if we get one of them be bloody grateful, and front-end their contract so that next year we've got lots of space for a Shiel/Kelly type from GWS to go with them.

 

[bird_man]

Personally forget throwing the money at Sloane or Gaff.

I'd just make a massive offer to Dylan Shiel. I mean that seriously. Go crazy. Shake the tree ******* hard. We have to seriously lump pressure on GWS who have serious cap constraints.

Or offer money to all three of them?

Fair chance they might all say no, why throw all your eggs in on me basket? Only one of them is contracted

 

[StCicatriz]

Half of GWS's list is OOC or eligible for FA at the end of next year, so for me that's when we need to go hard at them.

This year go hard and try to land anyone who will make us better and if we get one of them be bloody grateful, and front-end their contract so that next year we've got lots of space for a Shiel/Kelly type from GWS to go with them.

Agree mate. My hope is if we go hard at them now early and let our intentions be known it could apply some early pressure.

Gut feel is GWS will try to extend those contracts of the important players early so I think we need to get cracking now. Which we probably are.

 

[bird_man]

Half of GWS's list is OOC or eligible for FA at the end of next year, so for me that's when we need to go hard at them.

This year go hard and try to land anyone who will make us better and if we get one of them be bloody grateful, and front-end their contract so that next year we've got lots of space for a Shiel/Kelly type from GWS to go with them.

Next year will be very interesting indeed.

 

[StCicatriz]

Or offer money to all three of them?

Fair chance they might all say no, why throw all your eggs in on me basket? Only one of them is contracted

To get a player you have to be targeted. You can't just offer big money to every player. That just tells the manager and player you are fishing. Emma's book and interview with Ameet and Trout explains that. Also makes the player and manager nervous. They want security you can get the deal done.

You need to court the player specifically. That's where I think north got very close to getting Kelly. They were very specific in who they targeted and how.

Players don't just want money. They want a fit to the club and security. Plus improvement for them personally and also the club. They want to be competitive.

We are wasting our time on Sloane and Gaff IMO.

 

[BrutThough]

Personally forget throwing the money at Sloane or Gaff.

I'd just make a massive offer to Dylan Shiel. I mean that seriously. Go crazy. Shake the tree ******* hard. We have to seriously lump pressure on GWS who have serious cap constraints.

Shiel would be the best get, but it could be hard to get him out of Sydney.

 

[StCicatriz]

Shiel would be the best get, but it could be hard to get him out of Sydney.

Extremely hard I reckon

One of the things I am genuine concerned about now is break away speed from the stoppage.

Steven isn't getting any younger. We need to find his replacement or someone who can play along side him.

Not easy to do.

 

[bird_man]

To get a player you have to be targeted. You can't just offer big money to every player. That just tells the manager and player you are fishing. Emma's book and interview with Ameet and Trout explains that. Also makes the player and manager nervous. They want security you can get the deal done.

You need to court the player specifically. That's where I think north got very close to getting Kelly. They were very specific in who they targeted and how.

Players don't just want money. They want a fit to the club and security. Plus improvement for them personally and also the club. They want to be competitive.

We are wasting our time on Sloane and Gaff IMO.

You could say exactly the same thing with Shiel, that we are wasting our time.

Picking one target each year doesn’t give you much chance. You don’t have to go around waving money, there is no reason why you can’t target all three. We don’t have to do a North Melbourne and run and tell the media every time we have a new target.

Need to throw the net wide, because let’s face it, they are all very unlikely.

 

[plugger66]

De Goey is worth an early first round pick. Not pick 1-4 but anything worse than that then I'd do it. I'd also trade Stuv for a first rounder. Bloke just can't kick.

Yes we need to get rid of our best and only fast player. Have you seen who was in the best 3 in our only 2 good games. Yes it was your guy who can’t kick. No coincidence. I suppose you need another with Gilbert in his last year.


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[StCicatriz]

You could say exactly the same thing with Shiel, that we are wasting our time.

Picking one target each year doesn’t give you much chance. You don’t have to go around waving money, there is no reason why you can’t target all three. We don’t have to do a North Melbourne and run and tell the media every time we have a new target.

Need to throw the net wide, because let’s face it, they are all very unlikely.

I think he's more gettable. GWS lose more required players than just about any other club. Maybe gold coast excluded.

They are vulnerable in more ways than one. Especially as the list starts to age and not hit it's potential.

Disagree on the wide net. Need to identify the player and be specific. Make it known we want them and we aren't throwing offers around willy nilly that could compromise our ability to secure them. Player managers need security. They do not like any scenario such as targeting multiple players that could require two first rounders each to acquire them.

 

[StCicatriz]

I'm fine with trading stuv if we had 2 more players at his level. But we don't.

Trading him will set this club back another 8 years.

 

[VDS66]

One week ago no-one was coming to our club.

If we win on Saturday well be a destination club.

Only problem if Shiel let's it be known he wants to move, there's probably another 10 clubs we have to compete with.