2nds 2018 Suns Reserves and NEAFL

[17er]

We have them - in overage Academy players - eg Foster, Boakye , Bowie etc..

Yeah, those guys are fine, but when we have to start delving into the 16 and 17 year olds like Josh Gore, Connor Budarick, Kane Haua, Cooper Portelli, Dean Katsiris, Jack Wingrave, Josh Molloy, Riley Buckland etc, I don't believe it truly helps guys like Scrimshaw, Powell, Crossley, Dawson and co to develop. If we had, for instance, Jake Spencer and/or Andrew Swallow as top-up players - remember, Evans decided not to activate the 46th list spot - how good would it be to have a NEAFL "captain" who could mentor the kids and play to a high standard. The kids should be playing in their own comps, but we don't appear to have any such infrastructure. I hate seeing teenagers blooded too early because I think we've seen at the Suns how it can destroy a kid's desire to play footy.

 

[Sunraysia]

Yeah, those guys are fine, but when we have to start delving into the 16 and 17 year olds like Josh Gore, Connor Budarick, Kane Haua, Cooper Portelli, Dean Katsiris, Jack Wingrave, Josh Molloy, Riley Buckland etc, I don't believe it truly helps guys like Scrimshaw, Powell, Crossley, Dawson and co to develop. If we had, for instance, Jake Spencer and/or Andrew Swallow as top-up players - remember, Evans decided not to activate the 46th list spot - how good would it be to have a NEAFL "captain" who could mentor the kids and play to a high standard. The kids should be playing in their own comps, but we don't appear to have any such infrastructure. I hate seeing teenagers blooded too early because I think we've seen at the Suns how it can destroy a kid's desire to play footy.

Hope you are not saying any of those you mentioned can't be good players for Suns in the future...
I sat next to young Josh Gore on the plane back from Sydney last night - he was pumped to be playing at NEAFL level as an underage Academy player.
I saw his match he kicked a goal and did OK and was a Queensland U16 rep last year. Players his age need to be exposed at his age to be drafted.
That said - I see your point about impact on senior player development (refer previous post).
Would also like to see a senior player like Rischa or Rosa take on a permanent on field NEAFL leadership role next year.

 

[Peel67skin]

Yeah, those guys are fine, but when we have to start delving into the 16 and 17 year olds like Josh Gore, Connor Budarick, Kane Haua, Cooper Portelli, Dean Katsiris, Jack Wingrave, Josh Molloy, Riley Buckland etc, I don't believe it truly helps guys like Scrimshaw, Powell, Crossley, Dawson and co to develop. If we had, for instance, Jake Spencer and/or Andrew Swallow as top-up players - remember, Evans decided not to activate the 46th list spot - how good would it be to have a NEAFL "captain" who could mentor the kids and play to a high standard. The kids should be playing in their own comps, but we don't appear to have any such infrastructure. I hate seeing teenagers blooded too early because I think we've seen at the Suns how it can destroy a kid's desire to play footy.

To be honest I will ask them to try out for Redland or Southport if they are not selected in the draft ,go to SANFL to play for Reserve team .

 

[Sunraysia]

To be honest I will ask them to try out for Redland or Southport if they are not selected in the draft ,go to SANFL to play for Reserve team .

They keep Academy players for an overage year because;
a) they've played NEAFL before - and usually with the same players - including draftees and rookies.
b) they still have a chance of being selected for Q18s as an overager and from there the u18s champs and the draft.
c) some players need another year to develop to gain confidence to be selected as a (b) above
After that - they move on to Southport or whoever knowing their future draft chances are minimal at best.

 

[Peel67skin]

They keep Academy players for an overage year because;
a) they've played NEAFL before - and usually with the same players - including draftees and rookies.
b) they still have a chance of being selected for Q18s as an overager and from there the u18s champs and the draft.
c) some players need another year to develop to gain confidence to be selected as a (b) above
After that - they move on to Southport or whoever knowing their future draft chances are minimal at best.

I am not saying he is spud (hua ) but clearly you can see he is lost vs GWS , structure and Etc , poor kids I hope this match will not totally destroy him .

 

[robo_1]

Why isn’t there a NQ neafl team with the northern academy players playing between there and suns2


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[17er]

Hope you are not saying any of those you mentioned can't be good players for Suns in the future...
I sat next to young Josh Gore on the plane back from Sydney last night - he was pumped to be playing at NEAFL level as an underage Academy player.
I saw his match he kicked a goal and did OK and was a Queensland U16 rep last year. Players his age need to be exposed at his age to be drafted.
That said - I see your point about impact on senior player development (refer previous post).
Would also like to see a senior player like Rischa or Rosa take on a permanent on field NEAFL leadership role next year.

If it was just Gore or another bottom ager playing off the bench, that's good player management. The NEAFL team that was held goalless had far too many young players and I think you'd agree that being flogged by a near-AFL strength Lions2 side didn't do much for their collective or individual development.
As for Foster, Boakye, Bowie, Arnold, Baru and any other top-agers, they should be playing NEAFL as much as possible because this is the final opportunity for them to be drafted. Most won't be, but that isn't reason not to play them. Josh Jaska was rookie-listed because he was a top-ager and the signs are there that he will debut later this year aged 20. If it weren't for some injury niggles, I say Jaska would have been picked already, such is his poise in the backline from NEAFL games I've seen so far.

Some guys bloom later than others and even then you aren't going to see much great footy before any guy's 21st. Of course there are exceptions, which Cam Rayner has shown this year and several clubs are able to get immediate impact out of a noob. Sydney continually produces rookies through the methods we are using and I don't give a stuff about the crapshoot Draft if we keep rookie-listing talent like Joyce, Spencer, Heron and Dawson who seem much more AFL ready than outside Draft picks. The quirk that allows undrafted Academy players to have a 2nd go at the Draft through the Academy is one I hope we continue to exploit - no problems with them topping up the NEAFL team as long as it benefits the club and culture because you'd much rather build a team from locals than have to forge a group from all over the place to automatically adapt and assimilate.

 

[GCStormie]

I still don't understand why don't/can't players retain some formerly listed players for the NEAFL side
Something similar to how WCE/East Perth would make more sense. Current East Perth captain is Patrick McGinnity a former WCE player, and they also have Sharrod Wellingham and Will Maginness.

If we had for example Andrew Boston, Seb Tape and Ryan Davis in the twos each week as the first selected there'd still be room for academy players but there would be a much better/stable foundation to actually build some structures. additionally as former Gold Coast players they should be familiar with the structures etc (under normal course of events, maybe not so much with recent change of coach)
Currently we rely on the players from the senior list that aren't selected for the ones to bring the hardness/structure, but as a rule the number, type and experience of these players fluctuates with the needs and fortunes of the senior team.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

I still Don't understand why don't/can't players retain some formerly listed players for the NEAFL side
Something similar to how WCE/East Perth would make more sense. Current East Perth captain is Patrick McGinnity a former WCE player, and they also have Sharrod Wellingham and Will Maginness.

If we had for example Andrew Boston, Seb Tape and Ryan Davis in the twos each week as the first selected there'd still be room for academy players but there would be a much better/stable foundation to actually build some structures. additionally as former Gold Coast players they should be familiar with the structures etc (under normal course of events, maybe not so much with recent change of coach)
Currently we Rely on the players from the senior list that aren't selected for the ones to bring the hardness/structure, but as a rule the number, type and experience of these players fluctuates with the needs and fortunes of the senior team.

Exactly what I'm talking about. But why be restricted there. Why not grab some interstaters. Only need 3-4 and they won't (shouldnt) be restricting the development of the kids.

It seems the Suns want total control over the kids. So rather than let them near the QAFL teams they are aligned with, they play NEAFL even though they are 2 levels below that level.

I dont know if its politics or it's seen as the best way, I assume a mix of both. As Sunraysia pointed out though, I bet the kids are pumped about running around in the NEAFL, even if they have minimal possies.

 

[17er]

It seems the Suns want total control over the kids. So rather than let them near the QAFL teams they are aligned with, they play NEAFL even though they are 2 levels below that level.

I dont know if its politics or it's seen as the best way, I assume a mix of both. As Sunraysia pointed out though, I bet the kids are pumped about running around in the NEAFL, even if they have minimal possies.

No, that isn’t what is going on either. Each of the Academy players is contracted by a QAFL club. What is actually happening is that the AFL Injury list is large and the Academy kids have various fixtures of their own.

When the crisis hit against Lions2, the club had to use Eddie Sansbury and a bunch of teenagers in the NEAFL. There has to be a better way

 

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[Peel67skin]

NEAFL Round 11

Saturday, June 16, 2018

Gold Coast SUNS (8th) v Sydney Swans (4th) at Metricon Stadium, 11.30am
*Live Champion Data statistics available on the Official NEAFL App

GOLD COAST

B: 51. Kwabye Boakye 43. Max Spencer 46. Fitzroy Greewool
HB: 47. Joshua Gore 60. Caleb Graham 27. Wil Powell
C: 53. Connor Budarick 18. Bradley Scheer 2. Ryan Gilmore
HF: 42. Connor Nutting 30. Peter Wright 41. Will Brodie
F: 48. Timakoi Bowie 37. Josh Jaska 50. Emmanuel Baru
Foll: 32. Brayden Crossley 45. Jacob Dawson 40. Jacob Heron
Inter: 49. Brodie Foster 57. Cooper Portelli 55. Jarrod Mills 54. Tui Lowah 58. Harrison Arnold
Emer: 56. Dean Katsiris, 59. Kane Haua, 22. Matthew Conroy
In: 18. Brad Scheer 41. Will Brodie 40. Jacob Heron 60. Caleb Graham 52. Ryan Gilmore 42. Connor Nutting
Out: 25. Jarrod Lyons (AFL) 23. Sean Lemmens (AFL) 36. Josh Schoenfeld (AFL) 2. Jack Scrimshaw (injured) 59. Kane Haua (Academy).

SYDNEY

B: 6. Jordan Foote 21. Jack Maibaum 2. Alex Johnson
HB: 34. Jordan Dawson 56. Joey Reinhard 58. Mitchell Rogers
C: 22. Dean Towers 45. Angus Styles 27. Daniel Robinson
HF: 33. Ryley Stoddart 28. Nic Newman 1. James Rose
F: 55. Bailey Stewart 46. Joel Amartey 41. Jake Brown
Foll: 17. Darcy Cameron 42. Robbie Fox 38. Colin O’Riordan
Inter: 50. Sam Wicks 49. Lachlan Swaney 53. Connor Flanagan 52. Josh Stern 59. Zachary Cameron
Emer: 51. Josh Rayner 54. Jeremy Shumack
In: 6. Jordan Foote 42. Robbie Fox 27. Daniel Robinson 22. Dean Towers 53. Connor Flanagan
Out: 36. Aliir Aliir (AFL) 54. Jeremy Shumack (omitted) 49. Cooper Kilpatrick (omitted) 57. Michael Carroll (omitted)

 

[Mini GF]

NEAFL Round 11

Saturday, June 16, 2018

Gold Coast SUNS (8th) v Sydney Swans (4th) at Metricon Stadium, 11.30am
*Live Champion Data statistics available on the Official NEAFL App

GOLD COAST

B: 51. Kwabye Boakye 43. Max Spencer 46. Fitzroy Greewool
HB: 47. Joshua Gore 60. Caleb Graham 27. Wil Powell
C: 53. Connor Budarick 18. Bradley Scheer 2. Ryan Gilmore
HF: 42. Connor Nutting 30. Peter Wright 41. Will Brodie
F: 48. Timakoi Bowie 37. Josh Jaska 50. Emmanuel Baru
Foll: 32. Brayden Crossley 45. Jacob Dawson 40. Jacob Heron
Inter: 49. Brodie Foster 57. Cooper Portelli 55. Jarrod Mills 54. Tui Lowah 58. Harrison Arnold
Emer: 56. Dean Katsiris, 59. Kane Haua, 22. Matthew Conroy
In: 18. Brad Scheer 41. Will Brodie 40. Jacob Heron 60. Caleb Graham 52. Ryan Gilmore 42. Connor Nutting
Out: 25. Jarrod Lyons (AFL) 23. Sean Lemmens (AFL) 36. Josh Schoenfeld (AFL) 2. Jack Scrimshaw (injured) 59. Kane Haua (Academy).

SYDNEY

B: 6. Jordan Foote 21. Jack Maibaum 2. Alex Johnson
HB: 34. Jordan Dawson 56. Joey Reinhard 58. Mitchell Rogers
C: 22. Dean Towers 45. Angus Styles 27. Daniel Robinson
HF: 33. Ryley Stoddart 28. Nic Newman 1. James Rose
F: 55. Bailey Stewart 46. Joel Amartey 41. Jake Brown
Foll: 17. Darcy Cameron 42. Robbie Fox 38. Colin O’Riordan
Inter: 50. Sam Wicks 49. Lachlan Swaney 53. Connor Flanagan 52. Josh Stern 59. Zachary Cameron
Emer: 51. Josh Rayner 54. Jeremy Shumack
In: 6. Jordan Foote 42. Robbie Fox 27. Daniel Robinson 22. Dean Towers 53. Connor Flanagan
Out: 36. Aliir Aliir (AFL) 54. Jeremy Shumack (omitted) 49. Cooper Kilpatrick (omitted) 57. Michael Carroll (omitted)

The reserves including the Academy guys are in front of me right now seemingly about to train.
I’m really surprised how many Academy guys are there.
I would have thought they have school or tafe or a job to be at.

 

[Peel67skin]

The reserves including the Academy guys are in front of me right now seemingly about to train.
I’m really surprised how many Academy guys are there.
I would have thought they have school or tafe or a job to be at.

Some supposed to play U18 , but due to GC players promoted to AFL and injuries , Graham and Gilmore are playing NEAFL
Are you going to watch U18 Allies vs Vic Metro tommorow at southport at 11 am or NeAfl at 11.30 am?

 

[GcSunsfan]

NEAFL Round 11

Saturday, June 16, 2018

Gold Coast SUNS (8th) v Sydney Swans (4th) at Metricon Stadium, 11.30am
*Live Champion Data statistics available on the Official NEAFL App

GOLD COAST

B: 51. Kwabye Boakye 43. Max Spencer 46. Fitzroy Greewool
HB: 47. Joshua Gore 60. Caleb Graham 27. Wil Powell
C: 53. Connor Budarick 18. Bradley Scheer 2. Ryan Gilmore
HF: 42. Connor Nutting 30. Peter Wright 41. Will Brodie
F: 48. Timakoi Bowie 37. Josh Jaska 50. Emmanuel Baru
Foll: 32. Brayden Crossley 45. Jacob Dawson 40. Jacob Heron
Inter: 49. Brodie Foster 57. Cooper Portelli 55. Jarrod Mills 54. Tui Lowah 58. Harrison Arnold
Emer: 56. Dean Katsiris, 59. Kane Haua, 22. Matthew Conroy
In: 18. Brad Scheer 41. Will Brodie 40. Jacob Heron 60. Caleb Graham 52. Ryan Gilmore 42. Connor Nutting
Out: 25. Jarrod Lyons (AFL) 23. Sean Lemmens (AFL) 36. Josh Schoenfeld (AFL) 2. Jack Scrimshaw (injured) 59. Kane Haua (Academy).

SYDNEY

B: 6. Jordan Foote 21. Jack Maibaum 2. Alex Johnson
HB: 34. Jordan Dawson 56. Joey Reinhard 58. Mitchell Rogers
C: 22. Dean Towers 45. Angus Styles 27. Daniel Robinson
HF: 33. Ryley Stoddart 28. Nic Newman 1. James Rose
F: 55. Bailey Stewart 46. Joel Amartey 41. Jake Brown
Foll: 17. Darcy Cameron 42. Robbie Fox 38. Colin O’Riordan
Inter: 50. Sam Wicks 49. Lachlan Swaney 53. Connor Flanagan 52. Josh Stern 59. Zachary Cameron
Emer: 51. Josh Rayner 54. Jeremy Shumack
In: 6. Jordan Foote 42. Robbie Fox 27. Daniel Robinson 22. Dean Towers 53. Connor Flanagan
Out: 36. Aliir Aliir (AFL) 54. Jeremy Shumack (omitted) 49. Cooper Kilpatrick (omitted) 57. Michael Carroll (omitted)

Greenwool and Powell in the backline ?

Jaska and Nutting up forward ?

 

[SUNS]

Calm down children

 

[Peel67skin]

Calm down children

Sorry won't do it again. I just hit the ignored button , all good now .

 

[Mini GF]

Why the frig is the neafl game at 1130am?
Can someone explain that to me please.
So it will finish at say 215pm and then what?
We touch each other for 2hours?
Just ridiculous.
Well I was going to go to the reserves but I won’t be now.
That’s just a joke.

 

[NOBBYS]

Why the frig is the neafl game at 1130am?
Can someone explain that to me please.
So it will finish at say 215pm and then what?
We touch each other for 2hours?
Just ridiculous.
Well I was going to go to the reserves but I won’t be now.
That’s just a joke.

Totally agree Bods I grew up in an era where the reserves finished 15 minutes before the main game ,we would
always be at the ground by half time of the reserves game .
Value for money and good to see the young players in action.
Today totally unfair to our young reserves team to play in front of no people result no atmosphere.
Don't think alternative entertainment attracts many more supporters.
Football people want football action.
If they want other attractions just organise them outside main arena ,people can than choose what they wish to watch.
Cannot see why reserves cant finish 30 minutes before main game particularly here at Metricon.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Anyone at the game?
Powell, Heron, Wright, Spencer playing?

 

[Peel67skin]

Anyone at the game?
Powell, Heron, Wright, Spencer playing?

Not at the game but app show Wright already score two goal and Powell not playing (emergency)

 

[SunsBhoy]

Pete playing full forward for the first time since he has been back , and playing in a position he is comfortable which is showing.


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[GcSunsfan]

Pete playing full forward for the first time since he has been back , and playing in a position he is comfortable which is showing.


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Gee who would have thought

Can't stand modern day coaching always trying to reinvent the wheel

 

[SunsBhoy]

Dawson playing a shut down role on Rose and Rose taking him to full forward so don’t expect a huge possession game from Jacob


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[GcSunsfan]

HT Suns 4.1.25 Swans 6.8.44